24-25 Trade Thread

[codydaze]

Surround Sabonis with defenders who can shoot. DeRozan, Keegan, Carter are all still capable and/or promising.

Maybe a ball-dominant PG wasn't the ideal partner?


Grab a haul for Fox and keep it going

Naw, we've seen what the offense is capable of with shooters around Fox and Sabonis. Our shooters have regressed and Derozan is proving to be the better player but worse fit than Barnes that a lot of people expected. Honestly I thought the fit issue wouldn't be as big of a deal as it has been but it's just a clunky fit. If the goal is to stay competitive, I try to move Derozan for a stretch 4, ideally one that can defend (not many available that can), and move Keegan back to his natural position at the 3.

[BoogieTime]

If you plan to re-tool, what’s your best offer for Jaden McDaniels?

He’s grown to 6-11, but he’s long and spindly, and still more of a 3 than a 4. Phenomenal point-of-attack defender (All NBA Defense), and exceptional rim defender for a wing. He has scoring potential, but he’s not asked to use it much in MIN (maybe not in SAC either). Started the season bad, but he’s been great over the last month. 24, locked into a full 5-year deal.

There’s no rumors out of MIN that they are trading him, and the Wolves future is assumed to be Ant, McDaniels and Naz Reid. However, as a fan, McDaniels seems to me to be a giant defensive upgrade for the role you’ve put poor Keegan Murray in. He’s not the three point shooter Murray is, but it seems to me that SAC can make up for that, and an elite defender who can run the floor is the biggest need?

EDIT: I saw the ORL deal, and always liked gambling on Isaac, so perhaps a three-way? MIN has nobody to start at center if Rudy goes down.

I can't imagine this team trading assets for role players at this stage, given the remaining schedule and how the core has looked. Would have to be a third team Fox deal bringing him here

[BoogieTime]

Surround Sabonis with defenders who can shoot. DeRozan, Keegan, Carter are all still capable and/or promising.

Maybe a ball-dominant PG wasn't the ideal partner?


Grab a haul for Fox and keep it going

Naw, we've seen what the offense is capable of with shooters around Fox and Sabonis. Our shooters have regressed and Derozan is proving to be the better player but worse fit than Barnes that a lot of people expected. Honestly I thought the fit issue wouldn't be as big of a deal as it has been but it's just a clunky fit. If the goal is to stay competitive, I try to move Derozan for a stretch 4, ideally one that can defend (not many available that can), and move Keegan back to his natural position at the 3.

I think the marriage has ended. Fox wants to be here as much as I, and now 75% of Kings want him here. There is a broken environment that needs cleansing.

I can only hope the reason we aren't hearing rumors already is because pinhead Vivek isn't involved in keeping him here. Or maybe, slim chance, McNair just want to see some Brown-less action. But this should be apparent soon IMO

[KF10]

Yeah the roster construction is not very good in Sacramento. Like at all.

I would like to think pivoting away from Fox is the best move given everything what happened but I think they are trying to give Christie a chance with this same core to see if he is able to pushed them over the hump.

You guys know where I stand. I’m fine tearing everything down and keeping only a couple of pieces. I don’t think ownership would want that unfortunately.

[OxAndFox]

If you plan to re-tool, what’s your best offer for Jaden McDaniels?

He’s grown to 6-11, but he’s long and spindly, and still more of a 3 than a 4. Phenomenal point-of-attack defender (All NBA Defense), and exceptional rim defender for a wing. He has scoring potential, but he’s not asked to use it much in MIN (maybe not in SAC either). Started the season bad, but he’s been great over the last month. 24, locked into a full 5-year deal.

There’s no rumors out of MIN that they are trading him, and the Wolves future is assumed to be Ant, McDaniels and Naz Reid. However, as a fan, McDaniels seems to me to be a giant defensive upgrade for the role you’ve put poor Keegan Murray in. He’s not the three point shooter Murray is, but it seems to me that SAC can make up for that, and an elite defender who can run the floor is the biggest need?

EDIT: I saw the ORL deal, and always liked gambling on Isaac, so perhaps a three-way? MIN has nobody to start at center if Rudy goes down.

I would imagine it needs to have a 3rd team and be DDR and/or Huerter going out. I don't see anything there, but I love McDaniels and think if they could add him to Fox/Keon/Keegan and eventually Carter defensively then I'm all for it. It keeps Keegan at the 4 for now, but I would still explore what it takes.

[OGSactownballer]

Yeah the roster construction is not very good in Sacramento. Like at all.

I would like to think pivoting away from Fox is the best move given everything what happened but I think they are trying to give Christie a chance with this same core to see if he is able to pushed them over the hump.

You guys know where I stand. I’m fine tearing everything down and keeping only a couple of pieces. I don’t think ownership would want that unfortunately.

The sad truth is that this idiot ownership (Vivek) won’t do that because of his own arrogance and ego.

An Indian member of one of my FB Kings groups put it out there without any holding back because he sees it clearly as doni having had minding grandfather and a lot of friends and associates over many years.

Vivek is typical of a wealthy Indian (Castic system even though it’s technically “illegal” now) man. He thinks because he has had success in one field that he is an automatic expert and authority in all fields. He is also about five foot two on a good day and has a terrible case of short man’s disease. He fell in love with the Warriors system and management when they were in the top and cannot see that 1) their time has passed and the NBA has adjusted and evolved and 2) we don’t have a Steph (superstar multi time MVP) and without that you’re just another team in the mix.

Ultimately he needs to eventually take a step back and allow BASKETBALL PEOPLE to run the team.

Fine to criticize Vivek but let's try to avoid taking it to ethnic stereotypes. Slippery slope here.

[BoogieTime]

Yeah the roster construction is not very good in Sacramento. Like at all.

I would like to think pivoting away from Fox is the best move given everything what happened but I think they are trying to give Christie a chance with this same core to see if he is able to pushed them over the hump.

You guys know where I stand. I’m fine tearing everything down and keeping only a couple of pieces. I don’t think ownership would want that unfortunately.

The sad truth is that this idiot ownership (Vivek) won’t do that because of his own arrogance and ego.

An Indian member of one of my FB Kings groups put it out there without any holding back because he sees it clearly as doni having had minding grandfather and a lot of friends and associates over many years.

Vivek is typical of a wealthy Indian (Castic system even though it’s technically “illegal” now) man. He thinks because he has had success in one field that he is an automatic expert and authority in all fields. He is also about five foot two on a good day and has a terrible case of short man’s disease. He fell in love with the Warriors system and management when they were in the top and cannot see that 1) their time has passed and the NBA has adjusted and evolved and 2) we don’t have a Steph (superstar multi time MVP) and without that you’re just another team in the mix.

Ultimately he needs to eventually take a step back and allow BASKETBALL PEOPLE to run the team.

The first time around, when he wasn't allowing a rebuild a few years ago I was more accepting because the franchise was running on a laughingstock nba record playoff less seasons and the season ticket holders were fed up. But now the mood from the fanbase is they want change and are tired of the core, so now its a personality thing if he's involved

[LightTheBeam]

All roads really keep bringing me back to John Collins as the perfect target.

First off he won't cost much, and he solves multiple problems.

27 years old
18ppg
8 rebounds
1 block
43% from 3
Super athletic can get out in transition with fox and monk. Can play behind or with sabonis. No more random backup center minutes we get killed.

We lack size at the forward, but also have zero backup big. Again he can do both. Another rebounder to help sabonis. A lob threat. The only box he doesn't really check is defense, but removing Huerter from the team and adding a big body should improve that. More Carter + Keon minutes, and shifting Keegan back to real position helps that also.

Sabonis (35)
Collins (27)
Lyles (20)
Keegan (33)
Demar (28)
Monk (26)
Keon (24)
Fox (35)
Carter (12)

[OxAndFox]

All roads really keep bringing me back to John Collins as the perfect target.

First off he won't cost much, and he solves multiple problems.

27 years old
18ppg
8 rebounds
1 block
43% from 3
Super athletic can get out in transition with fox and monk. Can play behind or with sabonis. No more random backup center minutes we get killed.

We lack size at the forward, but also have zero backup big. Again he can do both. Another rebounder to help sabonis. A lob threat. The only box he doesn't really check is defense, but removing Huerter from the team and adding a big body should improve that. More Carter + Keon minutes, and shifting Keegan back to real position helps that also.

Sabonis (35)
Collins (27)
Lyles (20)
Keegan (33)
Demar (28)
Monk (26)
Keon (24)
Fox (35)
Carter (12)

These are all the reasons I was advocating for him in the off season. He would be cheap as a reclamation project and gives this squad some things they sorely lack.

[OGSactownballer]

Agree about Collins.

I believe he is your “least assets out” option to get some usable size here. As far as the defense goes, with Carter coming in and the upgrade that provides in perimeter defense, he can pretty much be good to handle the opposition PF and play to his strength instead of being asked to play like a wing against smaller and quicker forwards. If anyone can scheme defense to make it work with him it’s Doug. Takes some pressure off Domas. Allows DDR to play at SG or SF where he can manage things better and is a nightmare mismatch. Strengthens up the bench again by putting Monk back where he belongs as the super sixth man.

[OGSactownballer]

To add:

In the end there are two ways to go about improving the balance of the roster.

The first is to give up premier assets (expiring, picks, Carter) for a high grade 3 & D wing. This is expensive and risky because we are still undersized.

The second is to go for a more traditional PF big (like Collins) and spend a lot less and actually get bigger with a low risk threshold.

[OxAndFox]

To add:

In the end there are two ways to go about improving the balance of the roster.

The first is to give up premier assets (expiring, picks, Carter) for a high grade 3 & D wing. This is expensive and risky because we are still undersized.

The second is to go for a more traditional PF big (like Collins) and spend a lot less and actually get bigger with a low risk threshold.

And I would prefer the second option. The guard glut needs to be addressed a guard rotation of Fox/Monk/Keon/Carter/DDR is more than enough. The problem is getting a team that can use Huerter and the Kings get Collins.

I know Monte is going to come out and say Carter's injury prevented them from making more roster changes blah, blah, blah, but that will just be BS.

[LightTheBeam]

To add:

In the end there are two ways to go about improving the balance of the roster.

The first is to give up premier assets (expiring, picks, Carter) for a high grade 3 & D wing. This is expensive and risky because we are still undersized.

The second is to go for a more traditional PF big (like Collins) and spend a lot less and actually get bigger with a low risk threshold.

I also think we need to look at the market of available guys.

Kuzma - Doesn't play defense, doesn't shoot, priced high - Not interested

Cam Johnson - Meh defense, can shoot, priced extremely high, also having a career year huge outlier. - Personally I get it, but hes worth 2 1sts? - Potential interest but not at Nets price

Jerami Grant - Overrated defense, can shoot, unknown price?, way overpaid - Not interested

Ingram - Bad defense, mid shooter, can be had for cheap probably, way overpaid and needs a new contract - Not interested

Patrick Williams - Okay defneder, good shooter, unknown price?, solid contract - Interested

So realistically all of these 3/4s are either high asking price or overpaid contract. They also don't check off defense/3s. DFS was the one I liked the most based on the price + ability.

Of the guys potentially available, John Collins, Patrick Williams, Miles Bridges would be my 3 choices. I would kill to see the asking price for each and then make a decision, but id be fine with any of them.

[BoogieTime]

Apparently we are in "hot pursuit" of Cam..

and the centerpiece of the deal better be Keegan

Keegan and that swapped pick to the Spurs seems right here

[OGSactownballer]

To add:

In the end there are two ways to go about improving the balance of the roster.

The first is to give up premier assets (expiring, picks, Carter) for a high grade 3 & D wing. This is expensive and risky because we are still undersized.

The second is to go for a more traditional PF big (like Collins) and spend a lot less and actually get bigger with a low risk threshold.

I also think we need to look at the market of available guys.

Kuzma - Doesn't play defense, doesn't shoot, priced high - Not interested

Cam Johnson - Meh defense, can shoot, priced extremely high, also having a career year huge outlier. - Personally I get it, but hes worth 2 1sts? - Potential interest but not at Nets price

Jerami Grant - Overrated defense, can shoot, unknown price?, way overpaid - Not interested

Ingram - Bad defense, mid shooter, can be had for cheap probably, way overpaid and needs a new contract - Not interested

Patrick Williams - Okay defneder, good shooter, unknown price?, solid contract - Interested

So realistically all of these 3/4s are either high asking price or overpaid contract. They also don't check off defense/3s. DFS was the one I liked the most based on the price + ability.

Of the guys potentially available, John Collins, Patrick Williams, Miles Bridges would be my 3 choices. I would kill to see the asking price for each and then make a decision, but id be fine with any of them.

Not a huge Patrick Williams fan but I can live with him if the price is right. Problem is CHI is going to want more than he is worth.

Collin’s really hits the sweet spot between cost and value effectiveness for what we need. Not interested in Bridges as he’s no D.

[JKiddy]

Which 2 players and 1st round picks do you feel would go to BK in a Cam Johnson trade? It seems like OKC and SAC are currently in a bidding war to grab him within 48 hours. SAC is my West Coast team back in the day from the Bibby, Webber, Peja, Turkoglu, and Captain McWeirdbeard years. If you get Cam, he's an awesome player, will definitely help you guys, and is actually a good dude.

Whatever happens, good luck.

[LightTheBeam]

Which 2 players and 1st round picks do you feel would go to BK in a Cam Johnson trade? It seems like OKC and SAC are currently in a bidding war to grab him within 48 hours. SAC is my West Coast team back in the day from the Bibby, Webber, Peja, Turkoglu, and Captain McWeirdbeard years. If you get Cam, he's an awesome player, will definitely help you guys, and is actually a good dude.

Whatever happens, good luck.

My take is thats smoke from the kings side.

If cam was worth 2 good picks he would be gone by now. Okc clearly has more lower tier picks to play with, they can also match salary very easily.

From kings side, Cam doesn't solve much but shooting. Monte has never rumored the deals he's made. I'd bet the Kings have called, but aren't as serious as it's made out to be. One of those where the GM says we tried but ultimately couldn't make it work, sorry fans.

Id offer Huerter, Colby Jones, 1 salary filler + a lightly protected 1st. Nets fans have indicated that's not close, and I agree okc will easily beat that.

[LightTheBeam]

Apparently we are in "hot pursuit" of Cam..

and the centerpiece of the deal better be Keegan

Keegan and that swapped pick to the Spurs seems right here

We need more forwards not less. Swapping Keegan for Cam would be an all-time dumb move for Monte.

Trading Keegan in the midst of a 3pt slump for a guy who is having a career year and is 4-5 years old. Keegans defense blows Cam out of the water, and clearly our defense is the biggest issue.

Id riot if they do that deal.

[LightTheBeam]

To add:

In the end there are two ways to go about improving the balance of the roster.

The first is to give up premier assets (expiring, picks, Carter) for a high grade 3 & D wing. This is expensive and risky because we are still undersized.

The second is to go for a more traditional PF big (like Collins) and spend a lot less and actually get bigger with a low risk threshold.

I also think we need to look at the market of available guys.

Kuzma - Doesn't play defense, doesn't shoot, priced high - Not interested

Cam Johnson - Meh defense, can shoot, priced extremely high, also having a career year huge outlier. - Personally I get it, but hes worth 2 1sts? - Potential interest but not at Nets price

Jerami Grant - Overrated defense, can shoot, unknown price?, way overpaid - Not interested

Ingram - Bad defense, mid shooter, can be had for cheap probably, way overpaid and needs a new contract - Not interested

Patrick Williams - Okay defneder, good shooter, unknown price?, solid contract - Interested

So realistically all of these 3/4s are either high asking price or overpaid contract. They also don't check off defense/3s. DFS was the one I liked the most based on the price + ability.

Of the guys potentially available, John Collins, Patrick Williams, Miles Bridges would be my 3 choices. I would kill to see the asking price for each and then make a decision, but id be fine with any of them.

Not a huge Patrick Williams fan but I can live with him if the price is right. Problem is CHI is going to want more than he is worth.

Collin’s really hits the sweet spot between cost and value effectiveness for what we need. Not interested in Bridges as he’s no D.

Agree on Collins. Pat would be fine if the price was cheap, huerter + 2nds. But he's not enough of a game changer to give a 1st.

Im curious if Bridges sucks on defense or just needs a good situation. He wasn't terrible early in that regard. At least that was my take from the eye test. But it's been 3-4 years since then.

[BoogieTime]

I also think we need to look at the market of available guys.

Kuzma - Doesn't play defense, doesn't shoot, priced high - Not interested

Cam Johnson - Meh defense, can shoot, priced extremely high, also having a career year huge outlier. - Personally I get it, but hes worth 2 1sts? - Potential interest but not at Nets price

Jerami Grant - Overrated defense, can shoot, unknown price?, way overpaid - Not interested

Ingram - Bad defense, mid shooter, can be had for cheap probably, way overpaid and needs a new contract - Not interested

Patrick Williams - Okay defneder, good shooter, unknown price?, solid contract - Interested

So realistically all of these 3/4s are either high asking price or overpaid contract. They also don't check off defense/3s. DFS was the one I liked the most based on the price + ability.

Of the guys potentially available, John Collins, Patrick Williams, Miles Bridges would be my 3 choices. I would kill to see the asking price for each and then make a decision, but id be fine with any of them.

Not a huge Patrick Williams fan but I can live with him if the price is right. Problem is CHI is going to want more than he is worth.

Collin’s really hits the sweet spot between cost and value effectiveness for what we need. Not interested in Bridges as he’s no D.

Agree on Collins. Pat would be fine if the price was cheap, huerter + 2nds. But he's not enough of a game changer to give a 1st.

Im curious if Bridges sucks on defense or just needs a good situation. He wasn't terrible early in that regard. At least that was my take from the eye test. But it's been 3-4 years since then.

Keegan is in an everything offense slump

Yes, he specializes in missing wide open threes, but his 2pt % and creating is as gruesome

Guy hasn’t proven the ability to play both ends of the court at the same time, but I think Cam has this and last year. I haven’t picked apart Cam’s game since I have been staunchly against using assets for role players for this core but hasn’t he been underrated defensively each time he’s been brought up in threads?