Lavine to Det now

[pipfan]

Last year Det had interest in lavine-who's playing very well this year, and his max deal is shorter
Ivey is out and Det is a much better team now

I think this trade works
Lavine for Thompson and Hardaway (Det still has cap space to play with)

Det adds an excellent scorer/shooter next to Cade and goes for the playoffs.

Bulls clear money and add an excellent defender in Thompson for the future-plus this helps the Bulls tank to keep their pick

[leo921]

Done.

Helps Pistons with a Cade/Lavine/Beasley/Harris/Duren lineup that can definitely get that 7/8th spot.
You would have to add either Stewart or Fontecchio to make the money work.

Other trade I like is
White/Vuc for Hardaway/Thompson

Pistons get a lot of shooting and scoring help in White/Vuc and the good thing for Pistons is that next year
Vuc/White/Harris/Fontecchio all expire so they still have lots of options to keep improving the roster.

[Kalamazoo317]

No from Detroit. We're not trading away Ausar.

[leo921]

No from Detroit. We're not trading away Ausar.

I understand wanting to keep Thompson but I got 2 things to say to that. This goes for
any trade with the Pistons to any team.

1- You got to give to get. Pistons im thinking are not trading Cade/Ivey/Holland for various reasons so that means
that the only good pieces that you can use to upgrade are either Thompson/Duren.

2- Lets say you keep Thompson, how exactly do you plan to keep and develop Thompson and Holland? They both have the same
strengths and weaknesses, and you can't play them together for long stretches because they both can't shoot, so while they
would help on the defensive end together, in the same lineup they would kill any offensive momentum together.

[Snakebites]

I’m still not convinced Lavine has positive trade value, so the “you have to give to get” line isn’t all that impactful to me. The “give” is that contract and I don’t know if it’s worth it, let alone giving up Ausar.

[the_process]

Chicago is looking at the Detroit version of the Nuggets offer.

Tobias Harris and Tim Hardaway Jr.

Maybe the Bulls can squeeze a protected 1st out, too.

[leo921]

I’m still not convinced Lavine has positive trade value, so the “you have to give to get” line isn’t all that impactful to me. The “give” is that contract and I don’t know if it’s worth it, let alone giving up Ausar.

So you didnt answer the questions at all.

1- I never said anything about Lavine or the Bulls. I listed the Pistons trade assets and explained that Thompson is the
best Pistons trade asset as the Pistons are not trading Cade/Ivey/Holland.

2- again Thompson/Holland are both young talented players but cant see how you keep both long term cause
neither is a shooter, and have the same strengths and weaknesses.

[Snakebites]

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So you didnt answer the questions at all.

1- I never said anything about Lavine or the Bulls. I listed the Pistons trade assets and explained that Thompson is the
best Pistons trade asset as the Pistons are not trading Cade/Ivey/Holland.

2- again Thompson/Holland are both young talented players but cant see how you keep both long term cause
neither is a shooter, and have the same strengths and weaknesses.

The fact that we may not be able to keep both Ausar and Holland is not a reason to trade him for a neutral or negative package.

You’re more than welcome to disagree with that valuation of Lavine but our situation with respect to our younger players doesn’t change it.

I didn’t answer your question because it’s irrelevant to this trade, or at least irrelevant to my valuation.

[axeman23]

I’m still not convinced Lavine has positive trade value, so the “you have to give to get” line isn’t all that impactful to me. The “give” is that contract and I don’t know if it’s worth it, let alone giving up Ausar.

Agreed. And if Lavine was considered a "get" by reasonable standards, he would've been in another team's colours LAST deadline, or the 1 before that. He just isn't considered a "get" by most teams, on his salary. Also looks like a poor use of cap-space with 3 years on Lavine's deal and Hardaway expiring, with no incentive for Detroit to take it on other than "you can afford it"...

[Laimbeer]

Done.

Helps Pistons with a Cade/Lavine/Beasley/Harris/Duren lineup that can definitely get that 7/8th spot.
You would have to add either Stewart or Fontecchio to make the money work.

Other trade I like is
White/Vuc for Hardaway/Thompson

Pistons get a lot of shooting and scoring help in White/Vuc and the good thing for Pistons is that next year
Vuc/White/Harris/Fontecchio all expire so they still have lots of options to keep improving the roster.

That second deal looks pretty good for Detroit. Isn't White highly coveted?

[chrbal]

Last year Det had interest in lavine-who's playing very well this year, and his max deal is shorter
Ivey is out and Det is a much better team now

I think this trade works
Lavine for Thompson and Hardaway (Det still has cap space to play with)

Det adds an excellent scorer/shooter next to Cade and goes for the playoffs.

Bulls clear money and add an excellent defender in Thompson for the future-plus this helps the Bulls tank to keep their pick

That GM works for the Wizards now

[HomoSapien]

I'm going to throw out a three-team trade that I don't love, but I think makes some sense:

Bulls Trade: Zach LaVine
Bulls Receive: Isiah Stewart, Terrence Mann, PJ Tucker, 2025 2nd Round Pick (Tor via Detroit)

The Bulls get a solid young role player in Stewart, while clearing the majority of LaVine's contract with Mann and Tucker's expiring deals. The Bulls have a shakey record without LaVine, so this hopefully paves the way towards them keeping their draft pick.

Pistons Trade: Stewart, Tobias Harris, 2025 2nd Round Pick (Tor via Detroit)
Pistons Receive: Zach LaVine

Stewart has seen his role shrink this season and Harris has been pretty unspectacular this season. LaVine will bring reliable scoring and shooting to the Pistons while giving Cunningham a true sidekick as they gear up for a second-half playoff run.

Clippers Trade: Terrence Mann and PJ Tucker
Clippers Receive: Tobias Harris

Mann has struggled this season in a reduced role and Tucker hasn't played a game this season. The Clippers are adding starting quality front-court depth for two guys who aren't contributing much.

[GreekAlex]

I'm going to throw out a three-team trade that I don't love, but I think makes some sense:

Bulls Trade: Zach LaVine
Bulls Receive: Isiah Stewart, Terrence Mann, PJ Tucker, 2025 2nd Round Pick (Tor via Detroit)

The Bulls get a solid young role player in Stewart, while clearing the majority of LaVine's contract with Mann and Tucker's expiring deals. The Bulls have a shakey record without LaVine, so this hopefully paves the way towards them keeping their draft pick.

Pistons Trade: Stewart, Tobias Harris, 2025 2nd Round Pick (Tor via Detroit)
Pistons Receive: Zach LaVine

Stewart has seen his role shrink this season and Harris has been pretty unspectacular this season. LaVine will bring reliable scoring and shooting to the Pistons while giving Cunningham a true sidekick as they gear up for a second-half playoff run.

Clippers Trade: Terrence Mann and PJ Tucker
Clippers Receive: Tobias Harris

Mann has struggled this season in a reduced role and Tucker hasn't played a game this season. The Clippers are adding starting quality front-court depth for two guys who aren't contributing much.

As a Pistons fan, I don’t want Lavine at any price.

Your deal is probably fair but I’d rather see our young guys get shots and focus on vets that are more durable.

[pipfan]

I think Det REALLY wants to make the playoffs, after so many down years. With Ivey out, that's going to be tough
That's why I didn't include Harris-he helps them win now

I'm not huge on Chi getting Thompson-since we have Matas who I like long term at the 3, but needed some asset to Chi

What about Hardaway, Simone, Sasser and Det's 2027/8 1st (top 8 protected)?
I figure Det will hand over their 1st this year or next to Minny so they can deal another in a few years

Would also do CWhite to Det for a pick like that, and look to deal Lavine elsewhere

We need to start over, and start sucking now to keep our pick and open cap space

[Mr Peanut]

This feels like deja vu leading up to last year's trade deadline when a lot of LaVine to Detroit trade offers surfaced. And, like last year, they always seem to involve Detroit giving up assets.

Except LaVine is still considered a net negative on his contract. And one year of his contract passing and him being more available this year only shifts that pendulum slightly.

I think the best Chicago could hope for is a package of Tobias/THJ with a second rounder. If that doesn't seem enough then they could wait and see what other offers are out there.

I personally don't want LaVine at all and hope we stay away. And if the rumors are true that he had foot surgery last year to avoid being traded to Detroit then that's even more of a reason to never offer the guy an opportunity to wear a Pistons jersey.

[Moses ShamMoses]

Lavine is a fine player, but not somebody the Pistons should target. Pistons don't really need guards, especially true once Ivey comes back next season. Also, Lavine is often injured and makes a boat load of money for the next couple seasons. It just gives 2018 Blake Griffin vibes. Short sighted and negative long term impact to the Pistons cap room.

[Kalamazoo317]

No from Detroit. We're not trading away Ausar.

I understand wanting to keep Thompson but I got 2 things to say to that. This goes for
any trade with the Pistons to any team.

1- You got to give to get. Pistons im thinking are not trading Cade/Ivey/Holland for various reasons so that means
that the only good pieces that you can use to upgrade are either Thompson/Duren.

2- Lets say you keep Thompson, how exactly do you plan to keep and develop Thompson and Holland? They both have the same
strengths and weaknesses, and you can't play them together for long stretches because they both can't shoot, so while they
would help on the defensive end together, in the same lineup they would kill any offensive momentum together.

1. Pistons aren't floating this offer, it's being made to them. You're assuming they feel any need to externally upgrade right now. I'm not sure that's the case. We have a lot of young, developing players and a star very early in his rise. We have time to see what natural development will do for us and potentially still have a lottery pick in a very good draft. No reason to overpay or rush the process. If we were going to, it probably wouldn't be for Lavine, especially at the cost of a recent lottery pick that we still believe in.

2. They both have the same strengths and weaknesses you say? OK, so lets look at those:

Weaknesses: Shooting
Strengths: Everything else (especially activity, defense, moving the ball, disrupting opposing offenses, forcing turnovers, rebounding).

I'd argue those strengths *stack* pretty well and you can't have too many players like that (look at Amen and Tari Eason in Houston).

As for the weaknesses, we picked up the best shooting coach in the league for a reason. Holland's stroke looks good. I believe in his development as a shooter. Ausar I'm less sure and he may need to find other ways to contribute, but even in 2025 you can accommodate *one* player who doesn't shoot well from the outside on your roster, and that's Ausar for us, imo.

[theBigLip]

If Lavine was such a great asset he would have been traded in the last year. He has been shopped hard and no takers. The contract is a negative. Bulls are not getting assets for him. The question should be “What are the Bulls giving the Pistons to take his contract?”

[leo921]

everyone keeps talking about Lavine, the trade I offered was White/Vuc for Hardaway/Thompson.

This year has shown that with vets and shooting (Hardaway/Harris/Beasely) that the Pistons are much improved and
that helps the young core of Cade/Ivey/Duren develop and win.

Yeah a young combo guard in White who shoots 3s in that 38-40% range could really help the team, and hes signed for only
12m this year and next.

Vuc is probably going to make the All Star team in the East and not only would be a great help on the court he is also only
signed for this year and next. He could help the Pistons score inside, Cade would love him setting picks, takes the big man
out of the lane, great rebounder, can really help Duran develop so he can live help to his potential

[Kalamazoo317]

If you want people to treat your proposal like it's the OP of the thread, you should probably start a thread.