Toronto - Houston - Miami

[Thaddy]

The Heat want to remain competitive and don't want to give up a first round pick.

Toronto:
Steven Adams
Dillon Brooks
2025 OKC/PHX 1st
2027 MEM 2nd

Houston:
Jimmy Butler

Miami:
RJ Barrett
Bruce Brown

Toronto:
Poeltl / Adams
Barnes / Mogbo
Brooks / Walter
Dick / Agbaji
IQ / Mitchell

This trade puts the Raptors in a position to completely commit to a rebuild around Barnes and IQ. They would be getting 2 more picks: 1st for RJ and 2nd for Brown. It also opens them up for a Poeltl trade. The defense would get better and Barnes/Dick would get more reps as primary options.

Miami:

Adebayo / Ware
Highsmith / Jovic
Barrett / Jaquez Jr.
Brown / Robinson
Herro / Rozier

Barrett has been a good 2nd option on the Raptors. This would put Herro in that first option role now that Butler would be gone. Brown could replace Robinson in the line up. This would keep the Heat at the same relative standings and potentially better.

Rockets:

Sengun / Landale
Smith Jr / Eason
Butler / Whitmore
Green / Thompson
FVV / Sheppard

The Rockets push forward this season and try to topple OKC on the way to the finals. Between Green, Butler, Sengun, and FVV they would have plenty of fire power to surge in the playoffs. This trade would push them for the championship this year. They also have a good amount of depth, contracts, and picks they could use to grab another star.

[K_chile22]

Illegal due to stepian

[BBallFreak]

Miami cuts Toronto out, takes Brooks, Adams, and the picks, and goes with:

Adebayo / Ware
Highsmith / Jovic
Brooks / Jaquez Jr.
Robinson / Burks
Herro / Rozier

[LarsV8]

Not interested in Butler.

I really like Brooks, would be interested in keeping him around for a while.

[Thaddy]

Miami cuts Toronto out, takes Brooks, Adams, and the picks, and goes with:

Adebayo / Ware
Highsmith / Jovic
Brooks / Jaquez Jr.
Robinson / Burks
Herro / Rozier

The Heat want to get back the best players possible. Barrett is better than both Brooks/Adams and he's young enough to pair with Herro.

[BBallFreak]

Miami cuts Toronto out, takes Brooks, Adams, and the picks, and goes with:

Adebayo / Ware
Highsmith / Jovic
Brooks / Jaquez Jr.
Robinson / Burks
Herro / Rozier

The Heat want to get back the best players possible. Barrett is better than both Brooks/Adams and he's young enough to pair with Herro.

No, those picks get flipped, along with other players, for better players. That's how that works.

[Thaddy]

Miami cuts Toronto out, takes Brooks, Adams, and the picks, and goes with:

Adebayo / Ware
Highsmith / Jovic
Brooks / Jaquez Jr.
Robinson / Burks
Herro / Rozier

The Heat want to get back the best players possible. Barrett is better than both Brooks/Adams and he's young enough to pair with Herro.

No, those picks get flipped, along with other players, for better players. That's how that works.

What better player do you think it would get with which players? Miami doesn't have any tradable prospects or contracts, they aren't trading Herro/Bam and the prospects aren't good. Barrett is the best fit they can get that let's them compete now and in the future.

[BBallFreak]

The Heat want to get back the best players possible. Barrett is better than both Brooks/Adams and he's young enough to pair with Herro.

No, those picks get flipped, along with other players, for better players. That's how that works.

What better player do you think it would get with which players? Miami doesn't have any tradable prospects or contracts, they aren't trading Herro/Bam and the prospects aren't good. Barrett is the best fit they can get that let's them compete now and in the future.

Wtf?

Duncan Robinson and Terry Rozier are both very tradable, as would Brooks. We have JJJ, Ware, and Jovic who are all tradable. You're going to tell me that those young players, a first round pick of our own, and two first round picks acquired in this trade couldn't land us a player we actually want?

[Thaddy]

No, those picks get flipped, along with other players, for better players. That's how that works.

What better player do you think it would get with which players? Miami doesn't have any tradable prospects or contracts, they aren't trading Herro/Bam and the prospects aren't good. Barrett is the best fit they can get that let's them compete now and in the future.

Wtf?

Duncan Robinson and Terry Rozier are both very tradable, as would Brooks. We have JJJ, Ware, and Jovic who are all tradable. You're going to tell me that those young players, a first round pick of our own, and two first round picks acquired in this trade couldn't land us a player we actually want?

Robinson and Rozier don't make another team more competitive or help with a rebuild. The two picks in this trade aren't great either OKC/PHX 2025 1st is gonna be mid/high and then it's a 2nd rounder from a team with Morant/Banes/JJJ for years to come. Toronto wouldn't even give you Barrett for a package like that. Rozier's a 20+ million crappy bench player lol. He's shooting 40/32/90 as a scoring guard and Robinson sucks at everything but shooting rocking a -1.4 BPM.

[BBallFreak]

What better player do you think it would get with which players? Miami doesn't have any tradable prospects or contracts, they aren't trading Herro/Bam and the prospects aren't good. Barrett is the best fit they can get that let's them compete now and in the future.

Wtf?

Duncan Robinson and Terry Rozier are both very tradable, as would Brooks. We have JJJ, Ware, and Jovic who are all tradable. You're going to tell me that those young players, a first round pick of our own, and two first round picks acquired in this trade couldn't land us a player we actually want?

Robinson and Rozier don't make another team more competitive or help with a rebuild. The two picks in this trade aren't great either OKC/PHX 2025 1st is gonna be mid/high and then it's a 2nd rounder from a team with Morant/Banes/JJJ for years to come. Toronto wouldn't even give you Barrett for a package like that. Rozier's a 20+ million crappy bench player lol. He's shooting 40/32/90 as a scoring guard and Robinson sucks at everything but shooting rocking a -1.4 BPM.

No mention of Brooks as filler? Or the youngsters mentioned? Or the fact that both Rozier and Robinson are salary ballast, or that Robinson has a team option?

[Thaddy]

Wtf?

Duncan Robinson and Terry Rozier are both very tradable, as would Brooks. We have JJJ, Ware, and Jovic who are all tradable. You're going to tell me that those young players, a first round pick of our own, and two first round picks acquired in this trade couldn't land us a player we actually want?

Robinson and Rozier don't make another team more competitive or help with a rebuild. The two picks in this trade aren't great either OKC/PHX 2025 1st is gonna be mid/high and then it's a 2nd rounder from a team with Morant/Banes/JJJ for years to come. Toronto wouldn't even give you Barrett for a package like that. Rozier's a 20+ million crappy bench player lol. He's shooting 40/32/90 as a scoring guard and Robinson sucks at everything but shooting rocking a -1.4 BPM.

No mention of Brooks as filler? Or the youngsters mentioned? Or the fact that both Rozier and Robinson are salary ballast, or that Robinson has a team option?

Brooks isn't a very good player he has negative BPM numbers on both sides of the floor. He's a volume scorer and the Grizz literally exiled him and continued to be a good team.

[LarsV8]

Id take Brooks 100 times out of 100 over RJ Barrett.

[Ell Curry]

Miami cuts Toronto out, takes Brooks, Adams, and the picks, and goes with:

Adebayo / Ware
Highsmith / Jovic
Brooks / Jaquez Jr.
Robinson / Burks
Herro / Rozier

Sets up a move like Fox for Rozier + Jovic + 3 firsts for Fox trade nicely, if the Kings want to avoid completely bottoming out - which seems likely even if the best actual idea is to also move Sabonis, I'd be surprised if they did that - and add a young PF and picks and a caretaker PG in Rozier. Heat would still have a bench core of Ware-JacquezJr-Robinson and the full non-tax MLE to use on a guard or maybe a 4 like Bobby Portis.

This puts the Rockets in financial hell, though, unless they:

1) Cut Van Vleet and sign a guard with the non-tax MLE (they'd be at like (166 if they did that and cut Landale, 20M to add say 4 minimums and a proper backup 5 to give a team of: Amen-Green-Butler-Jabari-Sengun with a bench of Eason, Whitmore, Sheppard, Holiday and say 12M a year of the non-tax MLE on a shooting big like Larry Nance JR because Butler, Amen and Sengun really have to the be the only non-shooters on the team, 2 on the court at all times basically).

2) Trade Jalen Green this summer, say for like Beef Stew, and Fontecchio goes to some 3rd team with an exception so Detroit can fit it in under the cap. Houston saves like 18M, still a tax team but not insanely high, and maybe they can get Butler to agree to like 45M a year instead of 52 and sneak under if they give him an extra year or 2? I've never been clear on how the over 35 contract stuff works.

[Ell Curry]

No, those picks get flipped, along with other players, for better players. That's how that works.

What better player do you think it would get with which players? Miami doesn't have any tradable prospects or contracts, they aren't trading Herro/Bam and the prospects aren't good. Barrett is the best fit they can get that let's them compete now and in the future.

Wtf?

Duncan Robinson and Terry Rozier are both very tradable, as would Brooks. We have JJJ, Ware, and Jovic who are all tradable. You're going to tell me that those young players, a first round pick of our own, and two first round picks acquired in this trade couldn't land us a player we actually want?

I think that's the making of an intriguing Fox package, the Kings could go from horrible depth in their frontcourt to Ware and Jovic as backups and they're contractually obligated not to leave Sacramento, plus 2-3 firsts and Rozier as an only semi nauseating starting PG option (with Sabonis doing all the thinking he might get to mediocre).

But other than Fox, I don't see a ton of options for Miami on the trade market. And I do sort of think someone might top the Heat offer if the Kings are looking for one really strong asset.

Who were you thinking of? Dejounte Murray?

[Mr Swagtastic]

I don't see the direction for Toronto you say Brooks fits the timeline of a rebuild more than RJ. I mean he's a very good on ball defender and a decent shooter from 3 but I don't like his fit here. I honestly don't know why Toronto is here and why Miami wouldn't just take Brooks for themselves I don't like the RJ fit next to Herro anyways Brooks seems like a good fit in Miami post Jimmy still gives them a competitive guy who fits with Herro and Bam +

Houston could use Butler but do they really want him?

[Thaddy]

Id take Brooks 100 times out of 100 over RJ Barrett.

The stats, age and value say otherwise.

[LarsV8]

The stats, age and value say otherwise.

I am by no means an advanced stats guru, but looks like Barrett oncourt +/- has been negative his entire career.

Looks like a 100m albatross to me.

[Mr Swagtastic]

The stats, age and value say otherwise.

I am by no means an advanced stats guru, but looks like Barrett oncourt +/- has been negatively his entire career.

Looks like a 100m albatross to me.

TBH Barrett has turned his career around since going to Toronto. I don't think he's got great value but IMHO he's not the negative contract he was in his NYK days. I think RJ plus Jalen Green is a bad pairing Brooks and/or Butler are much better fits for Houston.

[Xman]

[quote="LarsV8"]Not interested in Butler.

I really like Brooks, would be interested in keeping him around for a while.[/quote]

I agree. His attitude is changing the team for the better.

[Xman]

I see Ingram as better option for Miami with NO getting expiring filler and second best first 2027 of hou/bkn/phx.
Could include a CJ for duncan swap also. Gives Miami better chance this year.