Butlet to Sacto or Butler+DDR to Detroit

[Ell Curry]

Not the Detroit one, but I could see something like this, though it wouldn't be the direction I went if I was Miami:

Kings - Butler, Higshmith + 2nd rounder
Heat - DeRozan + Huerter + Lyles + Devin Carter + future protected 1st

Heat get a 25M a year cheaper replacement for Butler and add a first rounder which they will eventually include in a package for a disgruntled star who wants to join Herro and Bam as their new 3rd "star." Jacquez, Jovic, Ware, Carter and Robinson is a fun group of 4-7 kinda guys if the deal is Demar + Rozier + multiple firsts for some 50M type player. Or they play with this sort of roster for this year, then get off Demar's final 10M guaranteed year by moving him and 2nds to some tanking team that will cut him and go hard for that guy in 2027 free agency when they only have Herro, Bam, Jaquez, Ware, Carter and they can cap hold Jovic. Sign one max guy, add the Heat 2026 1st and that's your 8 man rotation.

Kings get a Fox-Ellis-Butler-Keegan-Sabonis starting 5 with Monk playing all the backup 1/2 minutes and Highsmith playing all the backup 3/4 minutes and the same awful combo of backup 5s for Sabonis, then this summer the Kings can sign an 8th man with the non-tax MLE after drafting a 9th man and seeing where they need a bench guy.

Miami fans on here will hate it, but they save close to 10M next year and get a promising guard in Carter.

You can probably also send Huerter to the Pistons for Hardaway Jr and the Pistons operate like a dollar over the cap, go after someone like NAW with the non-tax MLE and then their team makes sense:

Duren-Stewart
Harris-Ausar
NAW-Holland
Cade-Huerter
Ivey-Sasser

and whoever they draft.

and Miami now saves almost 30M next year.

[longfellow44]

Zero interest in a jimmy butler trade for the kings especially with us giving up any additional compensation beyond DeRozan and salary.

Jimmy does not stretch the floor and will clog up the offense just like DeRozan does. Too many people need the ball and aren't great shooters. Jimmy is a better defender but honestly with his salary and the limited improvement that he would realistically provide I see zero reason for the kings to do this trade in any form.


The kings want large 3 and D forwards not D and no 3. The kings could get better by trading DeRozan for a lesser player that fits our needs better.

[OxAndFox]

Not the Detroit one, but I could see something like this, though it wouldn't be the direction I went if I was Miami:

Kings - Butler, Higshmith + 2nd rounder
Heat - DeRozan + Huerter + Lyles + Devin Carter + future protected 1st

Heat get a 25M a year cheaper replacement for Butler and add a first rounder which they will eventually include in a package for a disgruntled star who wants to join Herro and Bam as their new 3rd "star." Jacquez, Jovic, Ware, Carter and Robinson is a fun group of 4-7 kinda guys if the deal is Demar + Rozier + multiple firsts for some 50M type player. Or they play with this sort of roster for this year, then get off Demar's final 10M guaranteed year by moving him and 2nds to some tanking team that will cut him and go hard for that guy in 2027 free agency when they only have Herro, Bam, Jaquez, Ware, Carter and they can cap hold Jovic. Sign one max guy, add the Heat 2026 1st and that's your 8 man rotation.

Kings get a Fox-Ellis-Butler-Keegan-Sabonis starting 5 with Monk playing all the backup 1/2 minutes and Highsmith playing all the backup 3/4 minutes and the same awful combo of backup 5s for Sabonis, then this summer the Kings can sign an 8th man with the non-tax MLE after drafting a 9th man and seeing where they need a bench guy.

Miami fans on here will hate it, but they save close to 10M next year and get a promising guard in Carter.

You can probably also send Huerter to the Pistons for Hardaway Jr and the Pistons operate like a dollar over the cap, go after someone like NAW with the non-tax MLE and then their team makes sense:

Duren-Stewart
Harris-Ausar
NAW-Holland
Cade-Huerter
Ivey-Sasser

and whoever they draft.

and Miami now saves almost 30M next year.

No thanks. That's pretty awful actually for Sacramento.

[Ell Curry]

No thanks. That's pretty awful actually for Sacramento.

I dunno.

Might convince Fox to sign an extension and the Kings haven't had 3 players that good in town since Webber-Peja-Bibby. Hard to find stars to go there and Butler might do it for the extension he wants.

Depth is lost, but 7 good players and your first makes 8, we've seen a lot of teams do that kind of thing and bank on finding their deeper bench guys on the margins, with exceptions and 2nds and playing time to offer.

[OxAndFox]

No thanks. That's pretty awful actually for Sacramento.

I dunno.

Might convince Fox to sign an extension and the Kings haven't had 3 players that good in town since Webber-Peja-Bibby. Hard to find stars to go there and Butler might do it for the extension he wants.

Depth is lost, but 7 good players and your first makes 8, we've seen a lot of teams do that kind of thing and bank on finding their deeper bench guys on the margins, with exceptions and 2nds and playing time to offer.

So not 1 trade on here offers a prospect like Carter, a lottery pick, and a 1st, plus a decent player like DDR who is essentially expiring next year, and you think its even close? It's awful value for the Kings to overpay more than any other team.

[Ell Curry]

No thanks. That's pretty awful actually for Sacramento.

I dunno.

Might convince Fox to sign an extension and the Kings haven't had 3 players that good in town since Webber-Peja-Bibby. Hard to find stars to go there and Butler might do it for the extension he wants.

Depth is lost, but 7 good players and your first makes 8, we've seen a lot of teams do that kind of thing and bank on finding their deeper bench guys on the margins, with exceptions and 2nds and playing time to offer.

So not 1 trade on here offers a prospect like Carter, a lottery pick, and a 1st, plus a decent player like DDR who is essentially expiring next year, and you think its even close? It's awful value for the Kings to overpay more than any other team.

Well, the Kings might end up overpaying because they probably don't want to tank or trade Fox and they're in a tough market, generally. Happened last year to my Raptors and we got less than we wanted for Siakam.

I wouldn't put much stock in Carter being a lotto pick. It was a weak draft and I'd say he's got the profile of a pick in the low 20s in a normal year (Great rebounder for a guard, really good stocks number, 2 ugly 3pt shooting years followed by one good one, below average FT% shooter for a guard, that sounds like a Bruce Brown or Terrence Mann 15-20M type of player to me).

If there's no better Butler offer for Miami AND they like DeMar or some other team does and can send something Miami wants more, then yeah I'd guess you get the deal done for only Carter or one protected 1st, not both.

[OxAndFox]

I dunno.

Might convince Fox to sign an extension and the Kings haven't had 3 players that good in town since Webber-Peja-Bibby. Hard to find stars to go there and Butler might do it for the extension he wants.

Depth is lost, but 7 good players and your first makes 8, we've seen a lot of teams do that kind of thing and bank on finding their deeper bench guys on the margins, with exceptions and 2nds and playing time to offer.

So not 1 trade on here offers a prospect like Carter, a lottery pick, and a 1st, plus a decent player like DDR who is essentially expiring next year, and you think its even close? It's awful value for the Kings to overpay more than any other team.

Well, the Kings might end up overpaying because they probably don't want to tank or trade Fox and they're in a tough market, generally. Happened last year to my Raptors and we got less than we wanted for Siakam.

I wouldn't put much stock in Carter being a lotto pick. It was a weak draft and I'd say he's got the profile of a pick in the low 20s in a normal year (Great rebounder for a guard, really good stocks number, 2 ugly 3pt shooting years followed by one good one, below average FT% shooter for a guard, that sounds like a Bruce Brown or Terrence Mann 15-20M type of player to me).

If there's no better Butler offer for Miami AND they like DeMar or some other team does and can send something Miami wants more, then yeah I'd guess you get the deal done for only Carter or one protected 1st, not both.

Yeah. So DDR is the better contract right now and better pro and Jimmy is the better guy in the POs. Let's go with that. Its DDR and minimal draft capital otherwise it just doesn't make sense. Getting a guy like Jimmy isn't going to get Fox to stay. Let's be honest here. The Kings have 0% chance of winning when they lose depth, lose future capital, are backed into a corner to pay a soon to be 36yo god knows how much, that is yet another clunky fit, but yeah, this really helps the kings.

[OxAndFox]

I dunno.

Might convince Fox to sign an extension and the Kings haven't had 3 players that good in town since Webber-Peja-Bibby. Hard to find stars to go there and Butler might do it for the extension he wants.

Depth is lost, but 7 good players and your first makes 8, we've seen a lot of teams do that kind of thing and bank on finding their deeper bench guys on the margins, with exceptions and 2nds and playing time to offer.

So not 1 trade on here offers a prospect like Carter, a lottery pick, and a 1st, plus a decent player like DDR who is essentially expiring next year, and you think its even close? It's awful value for the Kings to overpay more than any other team.

Well, the Kings might end up overpaying because they probably don't want to tank or trade Fox and they're in a tough market, generally. Happened last year to my Raptors and we got less than we wanted for Siakam.

I wouldn't put much stock in Carter being a lotto pick. It was a weak draft and I'd say he's got the profile of a pick in the low 20s in a normal year (Great rebounder for a guard, really good stocks number, 2 ugly 3pt shooting years followed by one good one, below average FT% shooter for a guard, that sounds like a Bruce Brown or Terrence Mann 15-20M type of player to me).

If there's no better Butler offer for Miami AND they like DeMar or some other team does and can send something Miami wants more, then yeah I'd guess you get the deal done for only Carter or one protected 1st, not both.

And way to go with the Kings should overpay because...Kings (oh sorry didn't put in the "cool" Kangz)

[Ell Curry]

Yeah. So DDR is the better contract right now and better pro and Jimmy is the better guy in the POs. Let's go with that. Its DDR and minimal draft capital otherwise it just doesn't make sense. Getting a guy like Jimmy isn't going to get Fox to stay. Let's be honest here. The Kings have 0% chance of winning when they lose depth, lose future capital, are backed into a corner to pay a soon to be 36yo god knows how much, that is yet another clunky fit, but yeah, this really helps the kings.

Demar hasn't been better than Jimmy since like Obama's first term.

Fox might stay if you get Butler, players are notoriously high on big names and don't care about youth. I agree that if he or Sabonis is dealt, it makes little sense to go after Butler. Wouldn't shock me either if the Kings pretends to be on Butler to project a lack of need to deal Fox and raise his price, either, so I won't claim victory here if the Kings are rumoured as a Butler team next week. Can't make Houston or San Antonio sweat and cough up more for Fox if they don't believe the Kings would do something to get Fox to agree to sign an extension.

I think the fit is better than the one with DeMar because you improve on D. Offensively it's similar, but Butler is the better cutter without the ball, so might work a bit cleaner on that end as a result.

[Mavrelous]

Detroit is a dark horse team for Butler IMO, Tobias and Beef Stew give the Heat 2 frontcourt rotarion players which they need and 10M in cap relief which will drop them out of tax territory.