2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 3

[NightWatch]

Great! Heat will not sniff the Final after maybe 5-9 years once butler has been traded. People seem to forget that Heat was in the final 1 season ago. I am shocked butler will be the first to be traded before goddaxn Duncan

[RexBoyWonder]

Memphis is the one IMO.

They're all in, have matching salaries, have picks, have interesting prospects, they need a wing, they're in the West.

Jaylen Wells, Pippen, Smart, Clack, GG Jackson, a couple of picks - there's enough options here to get a deal done.

[dshearn]

hate to see this...I got alot of love in my heart for Jimmy.

But....at least they stand a chance of getting something for him.

If we are really lucky....JJJ can now go down the Jimmy clone avenue....I hope jimmy's stuff at least partially gets handed to JJJ.

[DayofMourning]

Feels like we get off Jimmys deal, and a 3rd team absorbs the draft picks.

[eddieheatfan]

Feels like we get off Jimmys deal, and a 3rd team absorbs the draft picks.

blockbuster deal and rebuild at the same time. do it riley

[Beenie]

Great! Heat will not sniff the Final after maybe 5-9 years once butler has been traded. People seem to forget that Heat was in the final 1 season ago. I am shocked butler will be the first to be traded before goddaxn Duncan

9 years if they are lucky

[DayofMourning]

Feels like we get off Jimmys deal, and a 3rd team absorbs the draft picks.

blockbuster deal and rebuild at the same time. do it riley

I fear who will be in control of the rebuild to be honest. Riley is advanced in age, and this Butler stuff has to hurt. If Spo takes over as chief decision maker, are we in line for small ball roster construction for another decade or two? When does legit size become some sort of requirement? Skillset is great unless youre being taken advantage of by legit large people.

[DayofMourning]

Great! Heat will not sniff the Final after maybe 5-9 years once butler has been traded. People seem to forget that Heat was in the final 1 season ago. I am shocked butler will be the first to be traded before goddaxn Duncan

9 years if they are lucky

Its rare that teams sustain winning decade after decade.

Bostons window is large because they stripped down their roster and added top five picks for a few years.

Spurs are doing the same.

OKC did the same.

Rockets did the same.

The **** Pistons who nobody had any faith in are right there in the standings with our glorious, contending team.

Its a riddle as to how all these teams are drafting high picks, giving them time to grow, and then watching them compete at a high level.

[eddieheatfan]

listening to tobin right now and it seems like jimmy poisoned the well. that's why you got other players playing so badly. if they want to be in solidarity with jimmy that bad trade them too

[DayofMourning]

listening to tobin right now and it seems like jimmy poisoned the well. that's why you got other players playing so badly. if they want to be in solidarity with jimmy that bad trade them too

Toxic people have to go.

My brother is one. Havent spoken to him in 8 years. **** him.

People are affected greatly by the opinions of strong minded people. Butler definitely is a strong minded person, and you could see how Bam was negatively affected by it in his post game presser against the Pacers. He was sniffing and trying to keep his emotions down. Get Jimmy out of there.

[Pokuokic]

Great! Heat will not sniff the Final after maybe 5-9 years once butler has been traded. People seem to forget that Heat was in the final 1 season ago. I am shocked butler will be the first to be traded before goddaxn Duncan

Making the Finals in the East is like making the play-in/getting out of the first round in the West lets not act like its some amazing feat of genius to do it and that difficult to get back there. Obviously a lot of it depends if you can get a great player in to replace Jimmy.

Even with last years Jimmy and this years Jimmy they are not sniffing the finals anyway.

[DayofMourning]

Excited to see our team develop. If we can add Rozier to a 3 or 4 team trade, then we can really give mins to our young guys.

[RexBoyWonder]

I think our future contending team depends on what we can get for Jimmy.

If we can leverage this trade to get enough assets to later re-route for another star (Fox?) we're right back in business.

I think the "others" (non big 3) players on the roster are on another level compared to our rosters these last few years.

So even if Jimmy > Fox
2025 Herro >> 2022 Herro
Bam = Bam
Ware >> whatever trash bigs we had
Jamie, Jovic, Keshad, Larsson > Vincent Strus and Martin

The key is to get a true 1A scorer/leader, that will allow Herro and Bam to play their natural roles of second and third options.

[DayofMourning]

I think our future contending team depends on what we can get for Jimmy.

If we can leverage this trade to get enough assets to later re-route for another star (Fox?) we're right back in business.

I think the "others" (non big 3) players on the roster are on another level compared to our rosters these last few years.

So even if Jimmy > Fox
2025 Herro >> 2022 Herro
Bam = Bam
Ware >> whatever trash bigs we had
Jamie, Jovic, Keshad, Larsson > Vincent Strus and Martin

The key is to get a true 1A scorer/leader, that will allow Herro and Bam to play their natural roles of second and third options.

We are not operating from a position of strength. League wide perception should be that Jimmy will be a malcontent. Our return will be pretty low.

I see GSW being one of the very few teams that would be able to handle him due to their locker room. I really dont want to eat Wiggins contract though.

[RexBoyWonder]

2 picks. 2 prospects. no big long term money.

[Pokuokic]

What about this

Hawks Get: Butler/JJJ/Payton Watson
Heat Get MPJ Jr/Hunter/Nance
Nuggets get: Robinson/Bogdanovic

C: Bam/Ware
PF MPJ or Hunter/Jovic/Johnson
SF: MPJ or Hunter/Highsmith/Jovic
SG: Herro/Hunter/Pelle
PG: Try trade Terry/Pelle

You could even go Herro@PG Hunter@SG MPJ@SF Jovic@PF and Bam@C


Heat get two huge wings who can space the floor (Nance backup/expiring) and ok on D, Nuggets get 2 elite shooters for floor spacing, Hawks get Jimmy and 2 decent wing prospects.

[Vertical Limit]

I think our future contending team depends on what we can get for Jimmy.

If we can leverage this trade to get enough assets to later re-route for another star (Fox?) we're right back in business.

I think the "others" (non big 3) players on the roster are on another level compared to our rosters these last few years.

So even if Jimmy > Fox
2025 Herro >> 2022 Herro
Bam = Bam
Ware >> whatever trash bigs we had
Jamie, Jovic, Keshad, Larsson > Vincent Strus and Martin

The key is to get a true 1A scorer/leader, that will allow Herro and Bam to play their natural roles of second and third options.

We are not operating from a position of strength. League wide perception should be that Jimmy will be a malcontent. Our return will be pretty low.

I see GSW being one of the very few teams that would be able to handle him due to their locker room. I really dont want to eat Wiggins contract though.

Wiggins has one extra year on his contract than what the Heat want. He wont be an option.

If butler ends up in gsw, gs will have to look for a third team to help them get butler in that roster

[Kobewade11]

Great! Heat will not sniff the Final after maybe 5-9 years once butler has been traded. People seem to forget that Heat was in the final 1 season ago. I am shocked butler will be the first to be traded before goddaxn Duncan

Great, I’d rather watch 5-9 years of guys wanting to be here, playing with effort, even if that means not making the Finals than to pay 1 more year of Jimmy after the stunt he pulled.

[MiamiLoyal926]

If we are going youth movement and/or Tyler Herro/Bam timeline, then we can have JJJ and Keshad Johnson try to fill those minutes and earn that role. Trial by fire like another poster said.

With that said, for any of those two to have success, we need a true and real good PG that compliments Herro, can attack the basket, and distribute and create for others. Simple as that. Bringing back a Wiggins is nice and all, but our biggest impact would actually come from bringing in a player that would unlock the potential of others in a position we lack skilled players, PG (sorry Rozier but I lost that faith in you).

We have skilled bodies we could throw into the Butler minutes, but we lack a player who can help unleash them in those minutes. Even Bam needs a player like that… a Wade-type that can create and put Bam in goods spots, and then feed him the ball precisely where he needs it. That player can then also feed the ball to Ware in a similar fashion, or kick it to Herro and Jovic for a 3 or a second wave of similar action. Then have Duncan and Burkes running around in a Ray Allen role. That leaves us back at JJJ / KJohnson playing the Butler role of slashing and posting action, with very competent creation skills as well.

Out priority for the quick rebuild and to put us in a decent spot needs to be to find that player at all costs. For that we need draft capital as I do not see a Butler trade yielding that immediately, as there is not a player like that currently available, nor do we have the assets for it. Fox definitely fits the bill, but doubt Kings are there yet, and thankfully they are not, since we do not have the trade capital yet for that. With a smart Butler trade, bringing back draft capital, and conveying the OKC pick this year, we also open up a few of our own picks this very summer to chase a Fox trade. We will see how savvy Riley and Co can be when properly motivated, which Butler just did.

[BBallFreak]

What about this

Hawks Get: Butler/JJJ/Payton Watson
Heat Get MPJ Jr/Hunter/Nance
Nuggets get: Robinson/Bogdanovic

C: Bam/Ware
PF MPJ or Hunter/Jovic/Johnson
SF: MPJ or Hunter/Highsmith/Jovic
SG: Herro/Hunter/Pelle
PG: Try trade Terry/Pelle

You could even go Herro@PG Hunter@SG MPJ@SF Jovic@PF and Bam@C


Heat get two huge wings who can space the floor (Nance backup/expiring) and ok on D, Nuggets get 2 elite shooters for floor spacing, Hawks get Jimmy and 2 decent wing prospects.

No

Why are we taking MPJ without compensation? He's a bad contract and a huge injury risk. Hunter is also a gigantic injury risk. They're both playing well, but between those two and Herro, our upside is completely limited by hangnails and splinters.

Also, why are we including JJJ? If we're dealing Jimmy, we're not letting go of our youth. Just really bad.