NBA Trade Thread #11

[sco]

Hoo boy. Riley just suspended Butler 7 games for conduct detrimental to the team and said the Heat will now listen to trade offers.

Sorta clever way to keep him out and from getting hurt and not pay him at the same time.

Wonder who makes the move...someone will. Lakers, Warriors, Denver, Minnesota, Kings seem likely candidates.

[FecesOfDeath]

He listed Houston as a team he wants to go to, definitely not a contender. GS and Dallas were his other two choices. No way that happens before the deadline.

How is the third seed in the West and a Top 3 defense not considered a contender?

It would be entertaining to watch practice in Houston with Jimmy. I think Jalen Green would be his new KAT.

[Infinity2152]

Hoo boy. Riley just suspended Butler 7 games for conduct detrimental to the team and said the Heat will now listen to trade offers.

Called it! Jimmy's burning down the house! Heat about to get much less.

[Infinity2152]

He listed Houston as a team he wants to go to, definitely not a contender. GS and Dallas were his other two choices. No way that happens before the deadline.

How is the third seed in the West and a Top 3 defense not considered a contender?

It would be entertaining to watch practice in Houston with Jimmy. I think Jalen Green would be his new KAT.

They're third in the West, but we're not even halfway thru the season. Nuggets haven't made a move yet.
Are you really saying you think the Houston Rockets as they are right now are a top 5 contender? They're young and untested. I'd easily place OKC, Celtics, Knicks, Nuggets, Mavs, Lakers and Bucks as more serious actual contenders for the title. They're an almost contender who could really use a player like Jimmy right now. They'd have to move a lot of players to get him, unless the Heat take Van Fleet, who is a big part of why they are good right now.

[greenwing]

Coby, PWill and Lonzo for Butler and Jovic.

Giddey/Ayo/Lavine/Butler/Vucevic
Carter/Horton-Tucker/Buzelis/Jovic/Smith

Reserves = Phillips/Craig/Terry/Duarte

[patryk7754]

With butler’s suspension I would guess his value is dirt cheap. Before the suspension I’ve heard multiple insiders says they are ready to move on already implying that he was going to be relatively easy to trade for. The only obstacle I see the bulls facing is does Riley consider Williams’ contract a bad one. If not we could do Williams Lonzo and another player. It doesn’t make sense to trade Lavine for butler. We should only trade for him if we are pairing him with Lavine. That’s a lot of ifs that I don’t really see working out.

I have a feeling it’s going to be the mpj and filler for butler

[Infinity2152]

With butler’s suspension I would guess his value is dirt cheap. Before the suspension I’ve heard multiple insiders says they are ready to move on already implying that he was going to be relatively easy to trade for. The only obstacle I see the bulls facing is does Riley consider Williams’ contract a bad one. If not we could do Williams Lonzo and another player. It doesn’t make sense to trade Lavine for butler. We should only trade for him if we are pairing him with Lavine. That’s a lot of ifs that I don’t really see working out.

I have a feeling it’s going to be the mpj and filler for butler

MPJ trade definitely seems like the most likely trade. MPJ is probably the best piece they could get except maybe Ingram, and Jimmy's not going to want to re-sign with the Pels. If they like Williams, our deal get's them a young starter level replacement forward locked up on a reasonable contract and a ton of cap for a guy who's turned into a nightmare. Not bad value if they don't want to take big contracts.

Would we have any bird rights to re-sign Jimmy over the cap? What would his cap hold be? Luxury tax should be about $170 mill, we could add another piece plus Jimmy. We could be at least as good as the Rockets are.

[League Circles]

I think we almost have to make a Jimmy offer. I'm not sure what it should be. Could be Zach based or based maybe on Vuc and Patrick or Coby etc.

As long as it cuts long term salary and has a chance to improve us a bit and doesn't touch Matas I'm interested.

[Ccwatercraft]

I'm not really excited about the possibility of a Butler trade, and definitely not fired up about an extension. He's proven that if he's not happy that he's a head case, and I can't imagine us making him happy

I wonder what he did to get 7 games?

[Dan Z]

I'm not really excited about the possibility of a Butler trade, and definitely not fired up about an extension. He's proven that if he's not happy that he's a head case, and I can't imagine us making him happy

I wonder what he did to get 7 games?

I think he'd be fine because he'd agree to go here (and might get an extension in the process). My issue with Butler is that I don't think it's the right move for where the teams at.

Butler helps the Bulls be more competitve for a year? Two? Probably not more. How far do they go? I'm not sure if Butler/Zach/Vuc really does that much.

Having said that, I'd rather have Butler than the team currently going nowhere.

[Guy Rodgers fan]

I find it interesting that Jimmy's 7 game suspension ends after January 15, the same time when Patrick Williams becomes eligible to be traded.

[Infinity2152]

Every time Butler has left a team, it's been about getting paid. So you really only have to worry about the last year if he agrees to sign here. He's been an ass and also a hell of a team player, and a player that can elevate a team like maybe 5 or 6 guys in the league.

Here's the question, how could getting Jimmy Butler make the team worse? Assuming he agrees to be traded here, 3yrs 150, and is reasonably healthy the next three years? A Zach/Butler pairing is expensive, so you have to move Vuc or Pat and maybe Coby. A Zach/Butler two piece is probably as great as we can possibly get, without spending all our resources. We'll still have a ton of young players.

But if we're going for a young team, they need a vet leader. He would help them develop better and win more. He elevates the whole defense. If he declines some, don't think it will be fast, he stays in great shape. Jimmy might have to be a little tough on some of them, but we have a bunch of guys we feel like underperform, haven't developed fast enough.

The question isn't are we immediately a contender with Butler. Can we build a contender around Giddey, Lavine, Matas, Butler and everybody else as trade bait plus picks and/or a lottery pick rookie? Depending on how good Giddey and Matas get, we definitely could. The expectation for both for me is above average starter at least.

[Repeat 3-peat]

Butler in Memphis would be fun.

[HomoSapien]

Three Team Trade:

Bulls Trade: Nikola Vucevic and Torey Craig
Bulls Receive: Moses Moody, Mo Bamba, PJ Tucker (buyout), 2026 ATL 2nd Rnd Pick, 2029 GS 2nd Round Pick

Warriors Trade: Moses Moody, Kevon Looney, Gary Payton II, 2026 ATL 2nd Rnd Pick, 2029 GS 2nd Round Pick
Warriors Receive: Nikola Vucevic and Torey Craig

LA Clippers Trade: Mo Bamba and PJ Tucker
LA Clippers Receive: Kevon Looney and Gary Payton II

Why for Bulls: Chicago finally commits to the rebuild by acquiring two recent albeit unspectacular lottery picks, some draft capital, and a nice expiring contract in Tucker. Moody is still only 22 and has shown defensive prowess and a potent jump shot in his limited minutes. At the very least, he's an upgrade over Dalen Terry. Bamba had shown flashes earlier in his career and this is a free look at him. With Vuc gone, we'll get to let both Smith and Bamba have some real opportunities to show their potential.

Why for the Warriors: After a strong start to the season, the Warriors have fallen to 9th in the West. This is a hail-mary attempt to try and get into the playoffs with their aging core by bringing in two capable vets.

Why for the Clippers: While Bamba has given them rebounding and shot-blocking off the bench, he's been shaky offensively shooting an abysmal 43% from the field. Looney is the more consistent option and knows how to play his role. For the playoff-bound Clippers, both Looney and Payton give them tested defensive depth off the bench.

[Muzbar]

Three Team Trade:

Bulls Trade: Nikola Vucevic and Torey Craig
Bulls Receive: Moses Moody, Mo Bamba, PJ Tucker (buyout), 2026 ATL 2nd Rnd Pick, 2029 GS 2nd Round Pick

Warriors Trade: Moses Moody, Kevon Looney, Gary Payton II, 2026 ATL 2nd Rnd Pick, 2029 GS 2nd Round Pick
Warriors Receive: Nikola Vucevic and Torey Craig

LA Clippers Trade: Mo Bamba and PJ Tucker
LA Clippers Receive: Kevon Looney and Gary Payton II

Why for Bulls: Chicago finally commits to the rebuild by acquiring two recent albeit unspectacular lottery picks, some draft capital, and a nice expiring contract in Tucker. Moody is still only 22 and has shown defensive prowess and a potent jump shot in his limited minutes. At the very least, he's an upgrade over Dalen Terry. Bamba had shown flashes earlier in his career and this is a free look at him. With Vuc gone, we'll get to let both Smith and Bamba have some real opportunities to show their potential.

Why for the Warriors: After a strong start to the season, the Warriors have fallen to 9th in the West. This is a hail-mary attempt to try and get into the playoffs with their aging core by bringing in two capable vets.

Why for the Clippers: While Bamba has given them rebounding and shot-blocking off the bench, he's been shaky offensively shooting an abysmal 43% from the field. Looney is the more consistent option and knows how to play his role. For the playoff-bound Clippers, both Looney and Payton give them tested defensive depth off the bench.

I really like this trade, I was worried about Moodys' addition as he's under the poison pill provision, but it seems you've allowed more than enough room with salaries coming back to Chicago.

Well done.

[Donkedave]

Three Team Trade:

Bulls Trade: Nikola Vucevic and Torey Craig
Bulls Receive: Moses Moody, Mo Bamba, PJ Tucker (buyout), 2026 ATL 2nd Rnd Pick, 2029 GS 2nd Round Pick

Warriors Trade: Moses Moody, Kevon Looney, Gary Payton II, 2026 ATL 2nd Rnd Pick, 2029 GS 2nd Round Pick
Warriors Receive: Nikola Vucevic and Torey Craig

LA Clippers Trade: Mo Bamba and PJ Tucker
LA Clippers Receive: Kevon Looney and Gary Payton II

Why for Bulls: Chicago finally commits to the rebuild by acquiring two recent albeit unspectacular lottery picks, some draft capital, and a nice expiring contract in Tucker. Moody is still only 22 and has shown defensive prowess and a potent jump shot in his limited minutes. At the very least, he's an upgrade over Dalen Terry. Bamba had shown flashes earlier in his career and this is a free look at him. With Vuc gone, we'll get to let both Smith and Bamba have some real opportunities to show their potential.

Why for the Warriors: After a strong start to the season, the Warriors have fallen to 9th in the West. This is a hail-mary attempt to try and get into the playoffs with their aging core by bringing in two capable vets.

Why for the Clippers: While Bamba has given them rebounding and shot-blocking off the bench, he's been shaky offensively shooting an abysmal 43% from the field. Looney is the more consistent option and knows how to play his role. For the playoff-bound Clippers, both Looney and Payton give them tested defensive depth off the bench.

Think could probably do a deal separately? Get more picks maybe?

Carter and Duarte for Tucker and bamba 26SRP(would push for cash considerations also )

Then the other deal but either waive or send THT also
For Looney, Payton Moody a 2025 SRP 2031 SRP

Get the extra pick, get off of extra year of Carter along the way. Then sign a few 10 dayers until we find some gem!

But is it worth taking a $37.5m plunge at Moody?

[NW]

Warriors fan here. Didn’t just give Moody an extension to deal him. If anything, trying to clear more minutes for him.

That being said, the top two Warriors beatwriters, Anthony Slater and Marcus Thompson, along with Sam Amick just put out an article in the Athletic that the Warriors aren’t pursuing Jimmy Butler and that Vucevic is likely a top target along with Cam Johnson.

[Infinity2152]

The Bulls are the perfect team and in the perfect spot to take a chance on a flawed top talent. If not now, when?

3 ways to get a top star (I'm talking about needle movers, not Ingram, MPJ level)

1. Draft one, usually wait years till you can compete (High risk, high difficulty, mid cost (low cash cost, high draft pick cost)
2. Sign a top unflawed (or flawed) FA for the maximum, if that player chooses your team (Low risk, mid-high difficulty, highest cost)
3. Acquire a flawed top talent for pennies on the dollar (Highest risk, lowest difficulty, low-mid cost)

Acquiring a flawed top talent demanding a trade is the by far the easiest and cheapest to pull off, even though it carries the highest risk.

We think we're in the position to only be going after only two way young no injury risk players or players that cannot lead the team. We're actually in a md state and adding mid-high players (Ingram, MPJ) doesn't fix our biggest problem. We have a few players not too far below them already.

Whether it's take a chance on Zion for talent, or Butler for talent, impact, leadership, we have to take some risks. Waiting and hoping a draft pick produces is a risk we already take continuously (Pat Will, Coby White, Julian Phillips, Matas) most recent examples. We're not talking about these guys signing 5 yr contracts, the risk is short-term for the flawed players, usually. 2-3 years maybe.

At worst, we stay where we are and the Bulls have a higher ceiling, regardless of how it turns out. More exciting, more reasons to watch the team. At best, it works out great, and our team leaps up the standings

[ChettheJet]

Three Team Trade:

Bulls Trade: Nikola Vucevic and Torey Craig
Bulls Receive: Moses Moody, Mo Bamba, PJ Tucker (buyout), 2026 ATL 2nd Rnd Pick, 2029 GS 2nd Round Pick

Warriors Trade: Moses Moody, Kevon Looney, Gary Payton II, 2026 ATL 2nd Rnd Pick, 2029 GS 2nd Round Pick
Warriors Receive: Nikola Vucevic and Torey Craig

LA Clippers Trade: Mo Bamba and PJ Tucker
LA Clippers Receive: Kevon Looney and Gary Payton II

Congrats on seeing a three team deal is the best way forward. Few teams have 1for1 groups that match on both talent and contracts.

I'd do this just to start the movement. I would have to see the Bulls buyout Tucker to believe it, they've rarely if ever done that. It's like firing a coach with years left on his deal. Likely a trade that Tucker has in mind to where he wants to go for a 2nd round pick

I like Bamba much like I do Ayton just a a far lower price. Bamba paired with Smith, start one and substitute at the 6 minute mark and finish the quarter. See who is having the better game and play him more. You reduce the pressure on them to
to try and dominate for 34 minutes. The Bulls have no 2nd round picks in their inventory

I like the ides from some to get Jevon Carter on the move in this for the spot minutes he plays for the Bulls he could be helping a contender as a bench spark. If there's a Lavine trade to follow maybe Moody shoots his way into the rotation.

[Infinity2152]

NGL, without knowing exactly how he feels, I can see why he's acted like he has with Philly, T Wolves and Heat.

Drafted late and didn't play much to start.
Traded by the team that drafted him.
Balled out, T Wolves won't pay (in his eyes). acts up
Goes to Philly, balls out, pay Tobias Harris before him, acts up
Goes to Miami, leads them to two Finals, won't pay him, acts up

He might be the only player that continually provides max impact on winning on both sides who constantly has to fight for his money. Plenty of guys get max easily without providing half the impact.

Guys like Jaylen Brown and Scottie Barnes get max with no problem. Respect is probably as important as the money, these teams did not show hm the respect he deserves, imo. He's proven he's a max player long ago, even supermax, and that hasn't changed. Teams usually cater to productive stars, especially leaders.