Vucevic to Warriors, Payton to Pistons

[Bentley1225]

I’ll offer this idea for Warriors to upgrade starting 5 while Bulls get a 1st and expirings and Pistons get replacement for Ivey

To Warriors
-Nikola Vucevic (2 years, $41.5 million)
-2028 Pistons 2nd (31-50 protected)

To Chicago (Trade Vucevic, waive someone)
-Kevon Looney (1 year, $8 million)
-Lindy Waters (1 year, $2.2 million)
-2028 Warriors 1st round pick (some form of protection)

To Detroit (Trade protected 2nd)
Gary Payton (1 year, $9.1 million)

Why?
-Warriors upgrade 5 spot to try to compete further in WC
-Bulls gets expirings and a 1st for Vucevic as they look to most likely re-tool this summer
-Pistons add a guard to replace the injured Ivey with cap space

[jbk1234]

I don't see the Pistons taking salary dumps for free. They've all but cornered the market. They're more likely to hold out for the highest return they can get.

[Laimbeer]

With all the rumblings we are hearing about teams needing to get a third involved in order to make the major moves, as Detroit I'd want a first round pick for anything but the smallest of salaries. But that is assuming the Detroit front office is smart, which they are not

[NW]

Post Steph first rounders are non starters unless protected like the the 2030 one owed the Wizards (top 20)

[Bentley1225]

Post Steph first rounders are non starters unless protected like the the 2030 one owed the Wizards (top 20)

Well Warriors could offer 2027 1-20 protected, 2028 lottery protected or extinguished.

[NW]

Post Steph first rounders are non starters unless protected like the the 2030 one owed the Wizards (top 20)

Well Warriors could offer 2027 1-20 protected, 2028 lottery protected or extinguished.

Doubt it for Vuc. Not even taking into account the pick trading flexibility that would hamper due to the Stepien rule and the pick owed the Wiz

[Bentley1225]

I don't see the Pistons taking salary dumps for free. They've all but cornered the market. They're more likely to hold out for the highest return they can get.

Well Payton would actually play a role short term now that Ivey broke his leg but I get it, Payton eats into more than 60% of available cap space and Pistons have leverage if a team wants to dump salary to get under tax by dealing picks to Pistons.

[jayjaysee]

IMO - needs to pay something here to Detroit.. And GSW doesn’t send out enough salary to match Vuc. Or back fill the roster spots.. And GSW shouldn’t be trading a first for Vuc unless it’s the 2025 and they’re getting value back with Vuc.

Vooch has been on the block for a long time. And seemingly aggressively on the block for the last few months. Maybe Chicago gets lucky and finds a desperate team, but I think it’s safe to say that Vuc isn’t worth a good first..

But..

Washington has a Gafford TPE. Toronto and Utah have their MLE’s. ORL, SAS and OKC have their room exem.. And all of those teams have some room under the tax and some cheap roster pieces to aggregate… With the new CBA/matching rules all of those teams can take back nice salary dumps. Detroit might be the easiest one and the most obvious, but they aren't the only option at all..

[Bentley1225]

Post Steph first rounders are non starters unless protected like the the 2030 one owed the Wizards (top 20)

Well Warriors could offer 2027 1-20 protected, 2028 lottery protected or extinguished.

Doubt it for Vuc. Not even taking into account the pick trading flexibility that would hamper due to the Stepien rule and the pick owed the Wiz

Well if the Warriors aren’t prepared to trade a 1st in some way, shape or form for a 20/10 guy shooting 56%/44%/83% then I’m not sure they want to try and improve their competitiveness. If they are confident Vuc can make them at least a 6th seed in WC, maybe they offer their 2025 1st outright to the Bulls

[scottyg]

How to make it to where the bulls get Stewert in the trade also

Bulls get -
- Kevon Looney
- Isaiah Stewert

Warriors get -
- Nikola Vucevic

Pistons get -
- Buddy Hield
- Lindy Waters
- 2nd rd pics via chi and GS

[Bentley1225]

How to make it to where the bulls get Stewert in the trade also

Bulls get -
- Kevon Looney
- Isaiah Stewert

Warriors get -
- Nikola Vucevic

Pistons get -
- Buddy Hield
- Lindy Waters
- 2nd rd pics via chi and GS

Doesn’t make sense for Pistons. They’re losing frontcourt depth.

[ChettheJet]

I think getting two expirings one of which is a center for Vuc is pretty darn good, getting a 1st besides seems like a lot. Let the Bulls send GSW that imaginary PORT pick and keep the protection light to make it look more even.

Would even consider the above deal where the Bulls get Stewart and Looney. That leaves them Stewart and Smith at reasonable salaries for 2 more years to split time at the 5 doing the dirty work. But the Bulls have no 2nds for a long time so just skip that.

[Bentley1225]

I think this makes most sense to alter OP

To Golden State (Trade Looney, Payton, Waters, Protected 1st)
-Nikola Vucevic
-2025 Kings 2nd via Bulls

To Chicago (Trade Vucevic, 2 2nds)
-Kevon Looney
-Lindy Waters
-2025 Warriors 1st (Top 10 protected or extinguished)
-2031 Pistons 2nd (31-55 protected)

To Detroit (Trade protected 2nd)
-Gary Payton
-2028 Kings 2nd via Bulls

[theBigLip]

I think this makes most sense to alter OP

To Golden State (Trade Looney, Payton, Waters, Protected 1st)
-Nikola Vucevic
-2025 Kings 2nd via Bulls

To Chicago (Trade Vucevic, 2 2nds)
-Kevon Looney
-Lindy Waters
-2025 Warriors 1st (Top 10 protected or extinguished)
-2031 Pistons 2nd (31-55 protected)

To Detroit (Trade protected 2nd)
-Gary Payton
-2028 Kings 2nd via Bulls

Pistons give up their cap space for Payton? Not a chance. Most teams that need to make a trade this season will need some cap space to get it done. Pistons will get a better offer than this.

[jayjaysee]

I think this makes most sense to alter OP

To Golden State (Trade Looney, Payton, Waters, Protected 1st)
-Nikola Vucevic
-2025 Kings 2nd via Bulls

To Chicago (Trade Vucevic, 2 2nds)
-Kevon Looney
-Lindy Waters
-2025 Warriors 1st (Top 10 protected or extinguished)
-2031 Pistons 2nd (31-55 protected)

To Detroit (Trade protected 2nd)
-Gary Payton
-2028 Kings 2nd via Bulls

Still not enough outgoing salary for GSW to stay under the apron / match Vuc.

9 mil for one distant second is really cheap. But I also think GP will be assigned no on court value.

[NW]

Well Warriors could offer 2027 1-20 protected, 2028 lottery protected or extinguished.

Doubt it for Vuc. Not even taking into account the pick trading flexibility that would hamper due to the Stepien rule and the pick owed the Wiz

Well if the Warriors aren’t prepared to trade a 1st in some way, shape or form for a 20/10 guy shooting 56%/44%/83% then I’m not sure they want to try and improve their competitiveness. If they are confident Vuc can make them at least a 6th seed in WC, maybe they offer their 2025 1st outright to the Bulls

All reports is the market for Vuc is second rounders, why is GS offering first rounders much less unprotected ones?

[DonaldSanders]

I think this makes most sense to alter OP

To Golden State (Trade Looney, Payton, Waters, Protected 1st)
-Nikola Vucevic
-2025 Kings 2nd via Bulls

To Chicago (Trade Vucevic, 2 2nds)
-Kevon Looney
-Lindy Waters
-2025 Warriors 1st (Top 10 protected or extinguished)
-2031 Pistons 2nd (31-55 protected)

To Detroit (Trade protected 2nd)
-Gary Payton
-2028 Kings 2nd via Bulls

Pistons give up their cap space for Payton? Not a chance. Most teams that need to make a trade this season will need some cap space to get it done. Pistons will get a better offer than this.

Payton is expiring.

But personally I'm not interested in Vuc.

[jbk1234]

I think this makes most sense to alter OP

To Golden State (Trade Looney, Payton, Waters, Protected 1st)
-Nikola Vucevic
-2025 Kings 2nd via Bulls

To Chicago (Trade Vucevic, 2 2nds)
-Kevon Looney
-Lindy Waters
-2025 Warriors 1st (Top 10 protected or extinguished)
-2031 Pistons 2nd (31-55 protected)

To Detroit (Trade protected 2nd)
-Gary Payton
-2028 Kings 2nd via Bulls

Pistons give up their cap space for Payton? Not a chance. Most teams that need to make a trade this season will need some cap space to get it done. Pistons will get a better offer than this.

Payton is expiring.

But personally I'm not interested in Vuc.

Payton is still under contract this season and apron teams need to dump salary just to make the trades they want. Teams just over the tax need to dump salary to dip below it. Detroit isn't going to do any of that for free, at least not unless the salary is attached to a good player.

[xdrta+]

Appreciate everyone trying to help out the Warriors, but not a single one of these trades work with the Warriors situation. They are right up against the hard cap and these trades all have more coming back than they are sending out, which puts them over the hard cap, and they still have to sign two replacement players.

[gswhoops]

If Vuc could return expirings/cap space and a 1st he would have been traded a loooooooong time ago