RS 24/25 - Mavs vs Cavs (Frid 8:30PM EST)

[Archx]

This team has no identity, no offensive schemes except for an infinte series of ISOs , defense is putrid even without Luka&Kyrie who were supposed to be the worst defenders on the planet, the rotations are randomly.

It's funny that defensive team metrics actually show that Mavs are a better defensive team with Luka this season lol... He has one of the best defensive ratings on the team and highest NETrtg. Even with the very slow start and injuries, he's basically still the most impactful guy on the team.

They also score 118.7 ppg with him compared to 113.5 ppg without and they also have better steals plus assists per game as a team when he's playing.

[41Dirk41]

This team has no identity, no offensive schemes except for an infinte series of ISOs , defense is putrid even without Luka&Kyrie who were supposed to be the worst defenders on the planet, the rotations are randomly.

It's funny that defensive team metrics actually show that Mavs are a better defensive team with Luka this season lol... He has one of the best defensive ratings on the team and highest NETrtg. Even with the very slow start and injuries, he's basically still the most impactful guy on the team.

They also score 118.7 ppg with him compared to 113.5 ppg without and they also have better steals plus assists per game as a team when he's playing.

And even the narrative about "We play better basketball without Luka" is ended very quick

[arkuo]

This team has no identity, no offensive schemes except for an infinte series of ISOs , defense is putrid even without Luka&Kyrie who were supposed to be the worst defenders on the planet, the rotations are randomly.

It's funny that defensive team metrics actually show that Mavs are a better defensive team with Luka this season lol... He has one of the best defensive ratings on the team and highest NETrtg. Even with the very slow start and injuries, he's basically still the most impactful guy on the team.

They also score 118.7 ppg with him compared to 113.5 ppg without and they also have better steals plus assists per game as a team when he's playing.

It would be nice if they'd bring that 118.7 pts a game if they make it to the finals this year. Because the finals last season looked anemic.

Game 1 - 89 pts final score
Game 2 - 99 pts final score
Game 3 - 98 pts final score
Game 5 - 88 pts final score

So if they're able to sustain that then they can break the 100 pt barrier at least and maybe squeeze out a few wins

I understand that the 118.7 ppg is a collective sum of all games including games against bad teams where the team can score 140 with lobs here and there. So hope they are able to replicate that in games that matter.

[41Dirk41]

This team has no identity, no offensive schemes except for an infinte series of ISOs , defense is putrid even without Luka&Kyrie who were supposed to be the worst defenders on the planet, the rotations are randomly.

It's funny that defensive team metrics actually show that Mavs are a better defensive team with Luka this season lol... He has one of the best defensive ratings on the team and highest NETrtg. Even with the very slow start and injuries, he's basically still the most impactful guy on the team.

They also score 118.7 ppg with him compared to 113.5 ppg without and they also have better steals plus assists per game as a team when he's playing.

It would be nice if they'd bring that 118.7 pts a game if they make it to the finals this year. Because the finals last season looked anemic.

Game 1 - 89 pts final score
Game 2 - 99 pts final score
Game 3 - 98 pts final score
Game 5 - 88 pts final score

So if they're able to sustain that then they can break the 100 pt barrier at least and maybe squeeze out a few wins

I understand that the 118.7 ppg is a collective sum of all games including games against bad teams where the team can score 140 with lobs here and there. So hope they are able to replicate that in games that matter.

Yes... Maybe next time the players not named Luka Doncic will shoot better than 17% from 3... It can help for sure

[Archx]

This team has no identity, no offensive schemes except for an infinte series of ISOs , defense is putrid even without Luka&Kyrie who were supposed to be the worst defenders on the planet, the rotations are randomly.

It's funny that defensive team metrics actually show that Mavs are a better defensive team with Luka this season lol... He has one of the best defensive ratings on the team and highest NETrtg. Even with the very slow start and injuries, he's basically still the most impactful guy on the team.

They also score 118.7 ppg with him compared to 113.5 ppg without and they also have better steals plus assists per game as a team when he's playing.

It would be nice if they'd bring that 118.7 pts a game if they make it to the finals this year. Because the finals last season looked anemic.

Game 1 - 89 pts final score
Game 2 - 99 pts final score
Game 3 - 98 pts final score
Game 5 - 88 pts final score

So if they're able to sustain that then they can break the 100 pt barrier at least and maybe squeeze out a few wins

I understand that the 118.7 ppg is a collective sum of all games including games against bad teams where the team can score 140 with lobs here and there. So hope they are able to replicate that in games that matter.

Did you just figure out what the problem was in the finals? Because yesterday you tried to convince me the complete opposite.

But 41Dirk41 already summed up the 1st two games basically, which more or less decided the series.

[arkuo]

It's funny that defensive team metrics actually show that Mavs are a better defensive team with Luka this season lol... He has one of the best defensive ratings on the team and highest NETrtg. Even with the very slow start and injuries, he's basically still the most impactful guy on the team.

They also score 118.7 ppg with him compared to 113.5 ppg without and they also have better steals plus assists per game as a team when he's playing.

It would be nice if they'd bring that 118.7 pts a game if they make it to the finals this year. Because the finals last season looked anemic.

Game 1 - 89 pts final score
Game 2 - 99 pts final score
Game 3 - 98 pts final score
Game 5 - 88 pts final score

So if they're able to sustain that then they can break the 100 pt barrier at least and maybe squeeze out a few wins

I understand that the 118.7 ppg is a collective sum of all games including games against bad teams where the team can score 140 with lobs here and there. So hope they are able to replicate that in games that matter.

Did you just figure out what the problem was in the finals? Because yesterday you tried to convince me the complete opposite.

But 41Dirk41 already summed up the 1st two games basically, which more or less decided the series.

The problem was not just in the finals. Which is why the +/- rating is flawed in my opinion. Because you can pad those numbers and have Luka score 40 against a team like Portland and have him throw no-look lobs against the Wizards but completely bomb out against Boston. Like I said, they need to do it in games that matter. Don't you agree? Or you prefer having them do it in games that don't matter. Which is which?

[Mavrelous]

It would be nice if they'd bring that 118.7 pts a game if they make it to the finals this year. Because the finals last season looked anemic.

Game 1 - 89 pts final score
Game 2 - 99 pts final score
Game 3 - 98 pts final score
Game 5 - 88 pts final score

So if they're able to sustain that then they can break the 100 pt barrier at least and maybe squeeze out a few wins

I understand that the 118.7 ppg is a collective sum of all games including games against bad teams where the team can score 140 with lobs here and there. So hope they are able to replicate that in games that matter.

Did you just figure out what the problem was in the finals? Because yesterday you tried to convince me the complete opposite.

But 41Dirk41 already summed up the 1st two games basically, which more or less decided the series.

The problem was not just in the finals. Which is why the +/- rating is flawed in my opinion. Because you can pad those numbers and have Luka score 40 against a team like Portland and have him throw no-look lobs against the Wizards but completely bomb out against Boston. Like I said, they need to do it in games that matter. Don't you agree? Or you prefer having them do it in games that don't matter. Which is which?

Did you watch the WCF? His lobs dissected the best defense in the league pretty good...
There is a lot of bad that went on in the finals, but just being there was an over-achievement.

[arkuo]

Did you just figure out what the problem was in the finals? Because yesterday you tried to convince me the complete opposite.

But 41Dirk41 already summed up the 1st two games basically, which more or less decided the series.

The problem was not just in the finals. Which is why the +/- rating is flawed in my opinion. Because you can pad those numbers and have Luka score 40 against a team like Portland and have him throw no-look lobs against the Wizards but completely bomb out against Boston. Like I said, they need to do it in games that matter. Don't you agree? Or you prefer having them do it in games that don't matter. Which is which?

Did you watch the WCF? His lobs dissected the best defense in the league pretty good...
There is a lot of bad that went on in the finals, but just being there was an over-achievement.

I agree. And he plays defense when he feels like it too. He's proven that he can.

Dirk bombed out multiple times in the playoffs and finals, people have called him a choker for years. I know because I was one of them back then. Until he proved me wrong in 2011.

Luka bombs out and we call it an over achievement? He's above criticism? Like I said, I'd like to be proven wrong. My opinion of him can definitely change in a few years. Similar to how I was with Dirk. It's just not that today. For me.

[Mavrelous]

He's above criticism?

No, he isn't, but criticize something that's actually wrong...
Luka has over-achieved the talent level on his team every year, you want to consider him a failure for not winning, this applies to every players his age or younger.

[arkuo]

He's above criticism?

No, he isn't, but criticize something that's actually wrong...
Luka has over-achieved the talent level on his team every year, you want to consider him a failure for not winning, this applies to every players his age or younger.

Well, he has the best Mavs team of all time (to-date) this year. Hope he takes it all the way. Like I said, I want to be proven wrong on this. If they fall short, you'd have guys wanting 2 more all-stars on the team, and so on.

[41Dirk41]

He's above criticism?

No, he isn't, but criticize something that's actually wrong...
Luka has over-achieved the talent level on his team every year, you want to consider him a failure for not winning, this applies to every players his age or younger.

Well, he has the best Mavs team of all time (to-date) this year. Hope he takes it all the way. Like I said, I want to be proven wrong on this. If they fall short, you'd have guys wanting 2 more all-stars on the team, and so on.

I take Kidd-Terry-Matrix-Chandler supporting cast all day. Don't joke arkuo.

But i just want another coach, not 2 more all stars

[Archx]

It would be nice if they'd bring that 118.7 pts a game if they make it to the finals this year. Because the finals last season looked anemic.

Game 1 - 89 pts final score
Game 2 - 99 pts final score
Game 3 - 98 pts final score
Game 5 - 88 pts final score

So if they're able to sustain that then they can break the 100 pt barrier at least and maybe squeeze out a few wins

I understand that the 118.7 ppg is a collective sum of all games including games against bad teams where the team can score 140 with lobs here and there. So hope they are able to replicate that in games that matter.

Did you just figure out what the problem was in the finals? Because yesterday you tried to convince me the complete opposite.

But 41Dirk41 already summed up the 1st two games basically, which more or less decided the series.

The problem was not just in the finals. Which is why the +/- rating is flawed in my opinion. Because you can pad those numbers and have Luka score 40 against a team like Portland and have him throw no-look lobs against the Wizards but completely bomb out against Boston. Like I said, they need to do it in games that matter. Don't you agree? Or you prefer having them do it in games that don't matter. Which is which?

Look... i don't know what to say anymore, you're all over the place. I don't understand, first you blame Doncic, then you admit team has to do better and then you pivot back to Luka is not a winner or something...

But speaking of finals.

First two games Mavs shot 13/53 from 3pt range. Luka made 8 of those 13 makes (8/21). Rest of the team shot 5/32.



1st game 107-89

Luka 30/10 on 46% FG ... Kyrie 12pts on 31% FG

2nd game 105 - 98

Luka 32/11/11 on 57% FG.... Kyrie 16 pts on 39% FG

3rd game we can blame Luka for that idiotic fouling out but then series was already basically decided with 0-3 down.

All in all, Mavs offense completely failed. Game 2 was very winnable when Celtics themselves shot very poorly from 3 but Mavs couldn't capitalize on that because they also completely failed in that area. It's even more depressing when you look at the % of open looks that Luka created (according to NBA.com) and they still missed everything.

[arkuo]

Did you just figure out what the problem was in the finals? Because yesterday you tried to convince me the complete opposite.

But 41Dirk41 already summed up the 1st two games basically, which more or less decided the series.

The problem was not just in the finals. Which is why the +/- rating is flawed in my opinion. Because you can pad those numbers and have Luka score 40 against a team like Portland and have him throw no-look lobs against the Wizards but completely bomb out against Boston. Like I said, they need to do it in games that matter. Don't you agree? Or you prefer having them do it in games that don't matter. Which is which?

Look... i don't know what to say anymore, you're all over the place. I don't understand, first you blame Doncic, then you admit team has to do better and then you pivot back to Luka is not a winner or something...

But speaking of finals.

First two games Mavs shot 13/53 from 3pt range. Luka made 8 of those 13 makes (8/21). Rest of the team shot 5/32.



1st game 107-89

Luka 30/10 on 46% FG ... Kyrie 12pts on 31% FG

2nd game 105 - 98

Luka 32/11/11 on 57% FG.... Kyrie 16 pts on 39% FG

3rd game we can blame Luka for that idiotic fouling out but then series was already basically decided with 0-3 down.

All in all, Mavs offense completely failed. Game 2 was very winnable when Celtics themselves shot very poorly from 3 but Mavs couldn't capitalize on that because they also completely failed in that area. It's even more depressing when you look at the % of open looks that Luka created (according to NBA.com) and they still missed everything.

To keep it simple, we can just agree to disagree.

We can have two different views. That's what the board is for. I've said it before that I'm not changing my views on him yet.