2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 3

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Possible cold feet from Golden State. Maybe Kerr not happy with the way Jimmy threw Spo under the bus. Ime Udoka on the other hand probably begging for Jimmy. Ime is a true A hole who will welcome Jimmy with open arms.

[contract]

In defense of Jimmy Butler:

I've made myself clear that we should not extend Jimmy at any reasonable number. However, people are **** on Jimmy without looking at his side of it. The Heat refused to extend him in the offseason, and told him to go out and earn the new contract ... and then the team took the ball out of his hands making it harder for Jimmy to prove the he deserves the money he's looking for to the Heat and every other team in the NBA.

The Heat did him dirty, and IMO it was intentional. I believe that the Heat wanted Jimmy to be unhappy here so he wouldn't exercise his player option for next year.

I will always appreciate and have love for Jimmy. I dont buy this rallying cry tho. The Heat are trying to win basketball games and work with their personnel. Jimmy has effectively balked for his entire Heat stint at the idea of ever having his usage go over 26% on offense. He has actively pushed against that despite it being effectively necessary for a team's top option to be pushing ~30% usage to have a functional offense. Jimmy is quite literally the only top 15 or so NBA player in the NBA with such low usage. That's an inherently flawed approach to constructing an offense. That's not even getting into his availability.

But, how can the coaching staff--in good faith--work to build an offense to cater specifically to Jimmy when he has rebuked the approach every step of the way and can only be available for less than 2/3 of each season.

I don't see that as the Heat doing Jimmy dirty. I'm sure there are plenty of other apt grievances tho.

For better or worse, Jimmy's career has always been a bit of a story of imperfect fit bc hes so unique in how he impacts the game and Miami' was always split in timelines being served (youth all benefits from a faster pace of play).

I do see what you mean with the Heat pushing more chips to one timeline over another tho. I just don't see it as malicious at all to do so.

It's not like Tyler is an ironman. He has now played 3 more games over the past 6 seasons than Jimmy. And one is clearly more efficient than the other. I don't think a good basketball case can be made for the change.

[Flash4thewin]

The gloom in here is wild. You guys over here dropping some wild tears. The we’re gonna be be bad for decade got me rolling. Jimmy is a snake don’t forget his MO has always been me everything else he does is acting. It’s part of his illusion. This without Jimmy is way better than the team Jimmy came into. There’s a 1A player that’s gonna look at the roster and go I can be the man in Miami. (Checks the dolphins yeah they suck still). Silver won’t let his favorite instant mass shared hate power creating team be in the wilderness rating ate important.

Jimmy gonna get moved. We’re gonna be fine. I’m just curious what the follow ups look like. Can’t see us trading Duncan. Terry makes some sense to move on I just don’t think we are that bad that we’d get a lottery pick. Outside that not much selling to do.

Here is the reality check, that 1A might like us but he's not stupid enough to give up 50+ mil in guaranteed money, or a super max or a non trade clause (depending on the year he has played) Especially after what we are doing to Jimmy. Money talks. I could understand if it was a million or two difference but when you are taking about 50+ mil. Our only shot is a "I only want to come to miami" bs and have player X pull a Jimmy to get here which seems unlikely because of financial ramifications.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Go get Jimmy!!

[contract]

Everyone is hopeful, but I don't think we're getting much for Jimmy.

35 years old, has trouble everywhere he goes, and wants a significant extension. Maybe a 1Year Run, but I'm not hopeful at all.

We can't take back even $1 more than we send out, so that makes things even harder. And if a third team has to get involved, then they are going to want something ... so that's something more that we'd have to do without whether it comes from us or the destination team.

There are several factors working against getting value for Jimmy at this point.

[Rapaz]

Miami only meets anywhere but Miami:

Spoiler:

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Warriors choosing Wiggins over Jimmy’s gotta sting after the Minny beef

[CoolD]

I traded Jimmy to the Thunder for Lou Dort and Hartenstein

starting lineup

Herro, Dort, Robinson, Bam, Hartenstein

Bench mob

Terry, Jaime, Highsmith, Jovic, Ware

Oklahoma though might win the title with Jimmy, but I doubt they would trade for Jimmy, they are obsessed with youth movement.

Bam would be moved to the 4, would be a solid team, though all the pressure is on Herro to be “him”.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Thunder, Spurs, Rockets should all be in on this and they all have more than enough ammo that it won’t really even effect them asset wise.

[batterybro42]

The gloom in here is wild. You guys over here dropping some wild tears. The we’re gonna be be bad for decade got me rolling. Jimmy is a snake don’t forget his MO has always been me everything else he does is acting. It’s part of his illusion. This without Jimmy is way better than the team Jimmy came into. There’s a 1A player that’s gonna look at the roster and go I can be the man in Miami. (Checks the dolphins yeah they suck still). Silver won’t let his favorite instant mass shared hate power creating team be in the wilderness rating ate important.

Jimmy gonna get moved. We’re gonna be fine. I’m just curious what the follow ups look like. Can’t see us trading Duncan. Terry makes some sense to move on I just don’t think we are that bad that we’d get a lottery pick. Outside that not much selling to do.

Here is the reality check, that 1A might like us but he's not stupid enough to give up 50+ mil in guaranteed money, or a super max or a non trade clause (depending on the year he has played) Especially after what we are doing to Jimmy. Money talks. I could understand if it was a million or two difference but when you are taking about 50+ mil. Our only shot is a "I only want to come to miami" bs and have player X pull a Jimmy to get here which seems unlikely because of financial ramifications.

For the first time since 2010 we will have the flexibility to add not just 1 Max but potentially 3 in just 18 months. That’s the difference in what we are talking about here. Miami has had to give up a lot to keep this team competitive since the Big 3 days, it has consistently put us in a situation where we lack the flexibility and assets to make the moves we maybe could have. Pulling off a big move has been incredibly difficult.

I’m watching the Mavs and Luka hard over this next year and a half. If they don’t deliver a title you’re looking at a Luka playing alongside aging players like Kyrie and Klay, it might be time for him to cash up out of there and he’s a free agent in 2026 along with SGA. Miami will be waiting in the wings with a nice comfy max. We could enter negotiations with a player like Luka with what amounts to a blank slate full of options, it’s a position Miami hasn’t negotiated from since we brought in the Big 3. If you strike out in 2026 then in 2027 you have players like Jokic and Giannis hitting the market.

We are going whale hunting for real this time. Now it’s about figuring out if Herro and Bam are going to be a part of that build or if we will sell and recoup assets for that build. This is the best positioned the Heat have been in terms of a future in almost 15 years.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Wade would land us a whale, bring the goat home.

[greg4012]

This without Jimmy is way better than the team Jimmy came into.

This is fact

[twozeroMM]

From a fan standpoint, I’d like to see what Jimmy looks like on the Grizzlies. Ive always thought both teams were connected in ways.

I also say this with the mindset that I’m not expected a great return for Jimbo

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Take the opportunity and run with it Jaime

[greg4012]

In defense of Jimmy Butler:

I've made myself clear that we should not extend Jimmy at any reasonable number. However, people are **** on Jimmy without looking at his side of it. The Heat refused to extend him in the offseason, and told him to go out and earn the new contract ... and then the team took the ball out of his hands making it harder for Jimmy to prove the he deserves the money he's looking for to the Heat and every other team in the NBA.

The Heat did him dirty, and IMO it was intentional. I believe that the Heat wanted Jimmy to be unhappy here so he wouldn't exercise his player option for next year.

I will always appreciate and have love for Jimmy. I dont buy this rallying cry tho. The Heat are trying to win basketball games and work with their personnel. Jimmy has effectively balked for his entire Heat stint at the idea of ever having his usage go over 26% on offense. He has actively pushed against that despite it being effectively necessary for a team's top option to be pushing ~30% usage to have a functional offense. Jimmy is quite literally the only top 15 or so NBA player in the NBA with such low usage. That's an inherently flawed approach to constructing an offense. That's not even getting into his availability.

But, how can the coaching staff--in good faith--work to build an offense to cater specifically to Jimmy when he has rebuked the approach every step of the way and can only be available for less than 2/3 of each season.

I don't see that as the Heat doing Jimmy dirty. I'm sure there are plenty of other apt grievances tho.

For better or worse, Jimmy's career has always been a bit of a story of imperfect fit bc hes so unique in how he impacts the game and Miami' was always split in timelines being served (youth all benefits from a faster pace of play).

I do see what you mean with the Heat pushing more chips to one timeline over another tho. I just don't see it as malicious at all to do so.

It's not like Tyler is an ironman. He has now played 3 more games over the past 6 seasons than Jimmy. And one is clearly more efficient than the other. I don't think a good basketball case can be made for the change.

Thus the coaches implementing an offensive style that is more egalitarian and can suit a larger percentage of players in the league. Not just Herro.

The good basketball case is the whole of the roster being better suited for a different style. Not just Herro. Not every basketball dialogue needs to turn into player X vs player Y.

You all remember when Miami got the 1 seed in 2021? That was largely fueled by Lowry driving an offense that was very different than Miami's offense with Jimmy.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

This without Jimmy is way better than the team Jimmy came into.

This is fact

If you can get Fox this summer and let’s just say the warriors open up to business and send us Wiggins there’s no doubt that is a better regular season product than the last 3 seasons for sure. We won’t be scraping by in the play in, health permitting. The playoffs we’ll just have to see how the guys respond to the moment and play off of each other

[Hoops3355]

The gloom in here is wild. You guys over here dropping some wild tears. The we’re gonna be be bad for decade got me rolling. Jimmy is a snake don’t forget his MO has always been me everything else he does is acting. It’s part of his illusion. This without Jimmy is way better than the team Jimmy came into. There’s a 1A player that’s gonna look at the roster and go I can be the man in Miami. (Checks the dolphins yeah they suck still). Silver won’t let his favorite instant mass shared hate power creating team be in the wilderness rating ate important.

Jimmy gonna get moved. We’re gonna be fine. I’m just curious what the follow ups look like. Can’t see us trading Duncan. Terry makes some sense to move on I just don’t think we are that bad that we’d get a lottery pick. Outside that not much selling to do.

Here is the reality check, that 1A might like us but he's not stupid enough to give up 50+ mil in guaranteed money, or a super max or a non trade clause (depending on the year he has played) Especially after what we are doing to Jimmy. Money talks. I could understand if it was a million or two difference but when you are taking about 50+ mil. Our only shot is a "I only want to come to miami" bs and have player X pull a Jimmy to get here which seems unlikely because of financial ramifications.

Jimmy looks bad here and the public opinion generally follows outside of Jimmy fan boys (see you never lads). Look at his teammates they’re sick of his ish. There’s gonna be plenty of players who are interested. Getting quality has never been an issue. Look at our last 30 years saying anything otherwise simply is you’re own projection because it’s not true.
The new CBA helps us because it eliminates the mid contracts that have gotten us in trouble in the past.

Comparing Fox to anyone previously. He actually has leverage because no one can pay him more technically and he’s young enough he can plan on making up the last year on his next contract.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Take the opportunity and run with it Jaime

“Business as usual” captains voice is heard

[MettaWorldPanda]

Warriors choosing Wiggins over Jimmy’s gotta sting after the Minny beef

Kerr and Spo probably talk. Word is Golden State wants Vucevic

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Warriors choosing Wiggins over Jimmy’s gotta sting after the Minny beef

Kerr and Spo probably talk. Word is Golden State wants Vucevic

Jimmy’s not doing himself any favors. He may be responsible for his own downfall. IMO unless he gets somewhere like Phoenix who doesn’t give a damn to open their pockets he’s going to have to either 1, opt into his contract and then when it’s up he’s looking at exception money or 2, sign somewhere for like 3/$90M for his last contract