PG: Knicks lose to Thunder

[Jose7]

Spoiler:

We choked down the stretch..no excuses we lost.

Few keys…

Loved running offense through Mikal, why stop?

Brunson is hilariously slow getting the ball out of pick and roll or pop with Kat. It doesn’t many any sense at all

KAT no threes?

The Ihart out of bounds save was the game changer.

We will be a monster team once Leon and Co send a professional to get to thugs about the rotation madness.. 35 games in to the next 4-6 year core..they doing well

Thugs lol

Lol iPhone madness..

Thibs*

[thebuzzardman]

Thibs plays his bench if they are GOOD. Minutes of previous bench players we used to have:

Immanuel Quickley - 29mpg
Divo - 20
Ihart - 20
Grimes - 20
"MJ" Burks - 25
Josh Hart - 30

Finally someone with sense here. Are people really arguing to watch cam Payne, shamet, Kolek play more like it would’ve led to a win? All of those guys are significantly worse than our old bench that you just listed. You get him real talent and he’ll play them.

Surely you can recognize agenda based posting

[thebuzzardman]

Woke up feeling pretty good. We were able to execute flawlessly for 3 quarters against the best team in the west. Sometimes you get out played by one of the best teams in the league and there’s nothing to be ashamed about. I think people are forgetting we’ve got these starters locked in for years and clearly we’ve got a starting line up of a title contender. Let
Me emphasize again, we’ve got a bunch of guys in their prime for a solid 5 year window that battled the top 3 team in the league.

Last night we looked like a team that made 2 major trades in the offseason. As of right now we’ve got 3 guys in our rotation that basically have one foot out of the nba. The guy that was the best off the bench last night, shamet signed an exhibit 9 deal. We are thin and even thinner without deuce and Mitch. Payne was originally signed to be the 10th man of this team. I’m just not surprised that their minutes were a disaster against the Thunder. It’s now up to the front office to fill out the rest of the roster.

Kolek looks like he’ll be a player and it’s up to the coaching staff to develop dadiet but there’s potential there. There’s a Mitch trade still to be made and maybe you can bring over Rokas. This isn’t a one year opportunity. We’ve got way to replenish our depth.

Kolek and Dadiet should be rotation players next season which will be huge. And maybe Hukporti too.

Their development is gonna be really important for us. We don’t have any picks in next years draft and wouldn’t be shocked if we end up doing swaps with our remaining picks. Not worried about Kolek and expect him to take cam Paynes role at some point.

Just not sure how long Dadiet is going to take. Even if I’ve been banging the 8 minutes a night for dadiet drum for weeks. I haven’t been watching westchester but read in the athletic that he looked overmatched in the g league showcase. Thibs and his staff helped developed a bunch of guys here. So I’ll trust them to tell us if/when dadiet is ready. If he can play next year it’s gonna be a massive deal cuz we need wing depth in the worst way.

Dadiet a wasted pick.

I can't believe the Knicks burned a pick on a player that might develop. In 4 years. And a roster spot.

[thebuzzardman]

Finally someone with sense here. Are people really arguing to watch cam Payne, shamet, Kolek play more like it would’ve led to a win? All of those guys are significantly worse than our old bench that you just listed. You get him real talent and he’ll play them.

I think the biggest problem was when they played those guys they were all in together. Sure, the bench isn’t as good as it was in previous years, but why not stagger Payne and Shamet with a starter? It felt like we lost every single minute they were on the floor… badly too

They were though. Looking at the play by play, im seeing Cam payne was out there with Josh Hart, KAT and Mikal.

Something that has bugged me about Thibs since he got here, and still goes on now, is the nature of his rotations. Even more than the bench minutes.

He plays the sh*t out of the starters. That's a given.
The bench is thin this year, that's a given. Yeah, I get maybe not as bad as Thib's minutes distribution, but it's still pretty iffy.

But VERY often, he'll make a weird substitution that just isn't good. Seems like once a game and it seems like it was more often, but still.
Like, "I think I'll put Sims and Precious out there together but leave Hart in", leaving the least reliable shooting wing out there with the worst two floor spacers. Etc.

Or like yesterday, combining Shamet and Payne together in a tough game where he was already deeply committed to playing the starters 47 minutes each (lol) but yet somehow found time for two scrubs together at a critical juncture. Like, should have done that early 3rd if it was for "rest".

Weirdly, he seems to lack some kind of feel or on the fly adjustment in this area.

This is besides overplaying the starters.
Maybe it's part of it. Once he rigidly trusts certain guys and not others he mentally boxes himself in.
Something like that.

[j4remi]

Wonder how much better it would have been for towns or Mikal to be the one to go to Jalen when the Thunder doubled? Hart is the arguably the 2nd best playmaker in the started but he’s not really a pull up threat. Def trust Mikal and towns more from the top of the key but the you’ve got hart in the corner. Could see it being better but the Thunder play the passing lanes so well that it might not have mattered.

One of the downsides of Thibs treating every game as the most important. Like on nights against the wizards or even tonight against Chicago, give Shamet, Payne, precious a little bit more burn. Idk why he’s been reluctant to give shamet more minutes. I don’t hate the idea of tightening minutes last night but there’s been plenty of other times that he can let things breath. Just realistically he doesn’t have a ton to work with. Would have loved to seee Kolek close the other night but how realistic was it after him playing in the g league?

Yeah, it's the "what ifs" that kill me. I could picture the Thunder defense just being THAT good, where nothing was gonna stop their momentum. But Mikal operating off a wing or Towns running a high-DHO attack would have really been interesting.

Agreed about Shamet. He seems like he can fit in with any unit. He's no Bridges or OG or Hart; but next to two of those guys, he'd manage. I REALLY hope Kolek gets opportunities soon, because I think his playmaking could really be a spark. I've come to terms with Thibs' habits, and he's generally right more than he's wrong. So, I'm not too mad at it. But this reminds me of Deuce KILLING the G-league for years. Deuce proved to be an NBA player as soon as he got a shot, I think Kolek will be that kinda guy too.

[j4remi]

Dadiet a wasted pick.

I can't believe the Knicks burned a pick on a player that might develop. In 4 years. And a roster spot.

It was all about the paycut Dadiet was willing to take. I don't mind the pick, because Dadiet has the tools to become something. But I can't help but believe we'd have taken someone else if not for Dadiet helping Rose stay under the second apron.

And I know who I woulda picked too. Ryan Dunn...

[thebuzzardman]

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[NiceLikeChrist]

For anyone keeping track we’re shooting 31% from 3 over our last 6 games. Going back to Christmas.

[Capn'O]

The excuses are getting tiresome, this is since December 1st.






Mikal and Hart are 1 and 2 in the league for MPG now overall.


Yes, I would have liked to see Burks, Milton, Bojan etc last season instead of driving the starters into the ground. This is simple to understand, you're not going to win every single minute or put competitive lineups on the floor for every single second of the game, you're going to lose minutes here and there throughout the game even if your bench is good. The point of a bench is to keep it close enough that your starters can come in fresh and win. We have an elite starting 5, if our bench goes down or loses ground, I'm confident the starters can reel in most teams.

What I'm not confident in is the ability for guys to play 38-44mpg every other game during the regular season, this is not the 90s where you could play 40+mpg because the other team couldn't shoot, the amount of ground these guys have to cover on shooters is taxing. The 4th quarter stats on this team show they're tired, they had a 154 DRTG last night in the 4th and guys are talking about the offense when the defense completely and utterly fell off a cliff because the whole starting 5 was gassed.


We haven't had a single healthy playoff run yet, and I doubt we will this season.

You’re the one demanding changes to the rotations. I’d like to know what changes you’d make. Not really sure how you can say it’s an excuse to ask you who should play instead and what line ups they should play in.

How many wins from last season were you willing to sacrifice to see more of Burks and Bojan? Just to remind you that Burks shot 30% from the field and 30% from 3. Bojan had a negative 14 net rating. I do agree that shake shouldve been given a shot but if he was as bad as the other two would it be worth it to keep trotting him out there? There was only a 4 game difference between being the second seed or the 8th seed. Idk if last season would be remembered as fondly if we were a playin team that got crushed in the first or second round.

I would have been playing Kolek and Pacome against the teams who put G-leaguers on the floor against us, and that would have started weeks ago when we were blowing teams out. I wouldnt do the platoon change lineups Tom does, I'd go with Kolek on the floor only when Mikal and OG are there with him, and Pacome would be the release valve to get one of the 3 wings more rest. The Thunder are the second best team in the league, they have been playing a second round pick 16mpg from essentially the start of the season, he was -4 last night, did that kill them? Jaylin Williams was -10 last night, they played him regardless. You're not going to win every minute of every game.

I'm willing to sacrifice regular season wins as long as the team gets to the playoffs healthy, which they have not done once under Tom. Burks also shot 50% from the field and 43% from three in 20mpg against the Pacers, he averaged 15ppg in that series but apparently, he could give us nothing after the trade deadline. There are only 13 teams in the NBA that have a positive net rating with their benches, and shockingly we are one of them, the problem is ours just doesn't play enough.






415 minutes is completely hilarious for a bench that actually wins the minutes they're on the floor, albeit they can't score, but you can't score when they're out there.

The Thunder are the perfect counter example. In addition to the guys you mentioned, Aaron Wiggins buried us. Tom builds the main guys up as well as anyone but their deep bench guys aren't any better than ours. They're just prepared.

[Guano]

The game honestly went downhill when OG fked up his elbow

You're not wrong - that's when gru(Jalen Williams) started to cook.

[Fury]

We need to give the bench a chance to develop even if they suck. It builds over time. And even if you lose those minutes, the hope is that you’ll lose less over time, to the point that it won’t make a significant negative difference because of the starters.

But Thibs will adjust, he just takes his time.

[Capn'O]

The game honestly went downhill when OG fked up his elbow

You're not wrong - that's when gru(Jalen Williams) started to cook.

That's what I said too. OG was dominating that game. There was a play after that where he looked over his shoulder on a break and it was enough to break up the play on what should have been a transition bucket.

We need to get em at our house.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Dadiet a wasted pick.

I can't believe the Knicks burned a pick on a player that might develop. In 4 years. And a roster spot.

It was all about the paycut Dadiet was willing to take. I don't mind the pick, because Dadiet has the tools to become something. But I can't help but believe we'd have taken someone else if not for Dadiet helping Rose stay under the second apron.

And I know who I woulda picked too. Ryan Dunn...

Umm...they discussed him taking a pay cut before drafting him? Like, that was part of the team meeting with all the players they would have drafted? It doesn't make sense to me.

[Guano]

The game honestly went downhill when OG fked up his elbow

You're not wrong - that's when gru(Jalen Williams) started to cook.

That's what I said too. OG was dominating that game. There was a play after that where he looked over his shoulder on a break and it was enough to break up the play on what should have been a transition bucket.

We need to get em at our house.

I also think the biggest issue with that game was Brunson just isn't healthy. And if we ha e a healthy Brunson we win.

And man, how we played in the 2nd was some of the best hoops I've ever seek a knocks team play. It was high art. I just can't be down on this team. Sucks we lost but we got a glimpse of the ethereal.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Dadiet a wasted pick.

I can't believe the Knicks burned a pick on a player that might develop. In 4 years. And a roster spot.

It was all about the paycut Dadiet was willing to take. I don't mind the pick, because Dadiet has the tools to become something. But I can't help but believe we'd have taken someone else if not for Dadiet helping Rose stay under the second apron.

And I know who I woulda picked too. Ryan Dunn...

Umm...they discussed him taking a pay cut before drafting him? Like, that was part of the team meeting with all the players they would have drafted? It doesn't make sense to me.

it was in this case.

[Jeff Van Gully]

You're not wrong - that's when gru(Jalen Williams) started to cook.

That's what I said too. OG was dominating that game. There was a play after that where he looked over his shoulder on a break and it was enough to break up the play on what should have been a transition bucket.

We need to get em at our house.

I also think the biggest issue with that game was Brunson just isn't healthy. And if we ha e a healthy Brunson we win.

And man, how we played in the 2nd was some of the best hoops I've ever seek a knocks team play. It was high art. I just can't be down on this team. Sucks we lost but we got a glimpse of the ethereal.

i saw what we are capable of... and still growing together. Ls suck but ready for 36 of 82 tonight. long road to the final form still.

[Jalen Bluntson]

We need to give the bench a chance to develop even if they suck. It builds over time. And even if you lose those minutes, the hope is that you’ll lose less over time, to the point that it won’t make a significant negative difference because of the starters.

But Thibs will adjust, he just takes his time.

He's been consistently stubborn with his rotations and minutes. Will he really adjust? He does this every year. It's as if he has if he doesn't give a fuq about any of the players outside of the top 6 or so. Then he just doesn't play them with any consistency or role off the bench. Suddenly the team is riddled with injuries and he then plays them 40mpg after not playing them for weeks/months.

He just doesn't care. He will shorten the rotations until the few guys he will play are healthy. He's the worst at rotations/minutes distribution.

[Capn'O]

You're not wrong - that's when gru(Jalen Williams) started to cook.

That's what I said too. OG was dominating that game. There was a play after that where he looked over his shoulder on a break and it was enough to break up the play on what should have been a transition bucket.

We need to get em at our house.

I also think the biggest issue with that game was Brunson just isn't healthy. And if we ha e a healthy Brunson we win.

And man, how we played in the 2nd was some of the best hoops I've ever seek a knocks team play. It was high art. I just can't be down on this team. Sucks we lost but we got a glimpse of the ethereal.

We played really well. This Thunder team is playing like an all time great team per SRS and we were right there. You're right that JB couldn't do his usual thing down the stretch. He wasn't right. We need to feed the KAT in those situations but he wasn't right.

[RHODEY]

You're not wrong - that's when gru(Jalen Williams) started to cook.

That's what I said too. OG was dominating that game. There was a play after that where he looked over his shoulder on a break and it was enough to break up the play on what should have been a transition bucket.

We need to get em at our house.

I also think the biggest issue with that game was Brunson just isn't healthy. And if we ha e a healthy Brunson we win.

And man, how we played in the 2nd was some of the best hoops I've ever seek a knocks team play. It was high art. I just can't be down on this team. Sucks we lost but we got a glimpse of the ethereal.

Yeah that 2nd quarter told me by no uncertain terms we are contending team. Sure have things we need to work on but our starting five had the best defense in the league the ropes.

[Jalen Bluntson]

It was all about the paycut Dadiet was willing to take. I don't mind the pick, because Dadiet has the tools to become something. But I can't help but believe we'd have taken someone else if not for Dadiet helping Rose stay under the second apron.

And I know who I woulda picked too. Ryan Dunn...

Umm...they discussed him taking a pay cut before drafting him? Like, that was part of the team meeting with all the players they would have drafted? It doesn't make sense to me.

it was in this case.

Link?