11 Teams hold 75% of tradable draft picks

Post #101 » by **Jamaaliver** » Wed Sep 11, 2024 5:04 pm

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Post #102 » by **Jamaaliver** » Mon Dec 30, 2024 8:11 pm

Now Brooklyn has too many draft picks...

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SkyBill40 · Post #103 » by **SkyBill40** » Mon Dec 30, 2024 8:15 pm

A lot of shrewd moves by the GM's of those teams holding all the picks, being willing to suffer through mediocrity in order to build their stables for a long run of playoff contention.

That doesn't make it good or bad. It just is how it is and makes for some rough times for fans. As a Suns fan, believe me when I say I'm hugely disappointed and angry at what our front office has done and the product we're left with because of it.

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GreatWhiteStiff · Post #104 » by **GreatWhiteStiff** » Mon Dec 30, 2024 8:37 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:I think one of the issues that most bothers me is that some teams (looking at you OKC) literally don't have the roster spots to even house all the draft picks they own.

Meaning a number of the draftees (new and past) will not get the development, reps, PT they'd normally receive if the picks were evenly distributed among the league. There'll be dozens of 19-20 year-olds the next few seasons who will fall out of the league after a rookie contract -- simply because they needed more time to develop but couldn't get it on an already overly young roster.

A ton of young guys will become NBA vagabonds as a result.

Let's call it "The Pokusevski Paradigm".

Poku did get minutes though relative to his talent and potential, at least IMO lol. I like the nomenclature regardless.

Post #105 » by **Jamaaliver** » Sat Jan 4, 2025 6:00 pm

The Thunder literally don't have the roster spots for all of those 2025 1st round picks...

Johnny Bball · Post #106 » by **Johnny Bball** » Sat Jan 4, 2025 6:07 pm

The 2nd apron seems to have mostly ended this practice. Or it will to some extent. You won't see many 4 first and 3 swap from one team deals anymore.

JayMKE · Post #107 » by **JayMKE** » Sat Jan 4, 2025 6:16 pm

It’s definitely a bad thing and something that should be addressed ASAP, there should also should be tweaks to max contracts and the apron should be done away with entirely.

Effigy · Post #108 » by **Effigy** » Sat Jan 4, 2025 6:19 pm

Yes it definitely is a bad thing. If you are a fan of a team like that you are screwed for at least the next 7 years if not longer as the teams starts trading further picks as soon as they can. Rule should probably be no more than 3 years out and a swap can only be traded within one calendar year of when it can be used

DudetheObscure · Post #109 » by **DudetheObscure** » Sat Jan 4, 2025 6:38 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:The Thunder literally don't have the roster spots for all of those 2025 1st round picks...

First of all, all 3 of the picks that are not the Thunder's own are protected and if the season ended today only one would convey this year. Secondly, you do realize that Presti has other options, don't you? In the past few years he has included picks in trades, used picks to move up in the draft and traded picks coming due in the near future for picks further in the future. I think we'll be OK.

Post #110 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Sat Jan 4, 2025 7:04 pm

DudetheObscure wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:The Thunder literally don't have the roster spots for all of those 2025 1st round picks...

First of all, all 3 of the picks that are not the Thunder's own are protected and if the season ended today only one would convey this year. Secondly, you do realize that Presti has other options, don't you? In the past few years he has included picks in trades, used picks to move up in the draft and traded picks coming due in the near future for picks further in the future. I think we'll be OK.

No need to be defensive about it. Yes, it’s likely that one or more picks are included in a trade at the deadline or more likely at the draft.

The Miami pick might end up in the protected range, and Utah pick definitely will.

So it’s likely just the OKC pick with swap options and the Philly 1st.

OkcSinceSGA · Post #111 » by **OkcSinceSGA** » Sat Jan 4, 2025 7:07 pm

One thing I would do if I'm a good team... is we know OKC drafts insanely well. Even their later picks. Look at Ajay Mitchell who was just taken 38th and looks like rookie Jalen Brunson. He's not playing as much as he would on most teams. What teams should be doing is circling OKC for players drafted that they don't want/care about... to snipe on the cheap. When OKC starts being a 2nd apron team in a couple years.. they will be less inclined to keep guys like Jaylin Williams, Mitchell, Dieng etc.

You can really find some steals in the G League or via trading for unknown players following OKC's coat tails.

OkcSinceSGA · Post #112 » by **OkcSinceSGA** » Sat Jan 4, 2025 7:08 pm

Johnny Bball wrote:The 2nd apron seems to have mostly ended this practice. Or it will to some extent. You won't see many 4 first and 3 swap from one team deals anymore.

This is also true. What we are seeing now is laughable over pays from teams like the Clippers, Nets, Suns etc that are predominantly under the old CBA (and now the Knicks picks TO Nets), or can only be done once with the new CBA in a very narrow way. Going forward, I don't expect these trades.

DudetheObscure · Post #113 » by **DudetheObscure** » Sat Jan 4, 2025 7:29 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
DudetheObscure wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:The Thunder literally don't have the roster spots for all of those 2025 1st round picks...

First of all, all 3 of the picks that are not the Thunder's own are protected and if the season ended today only one would convey this year. Secondly, you do realize that Presti has other options, don't you? In the past few years he has included picks in trades, used picks to move up in the draft and traded picks coming due in the near future for picks further in the future. I think we'll be OK.

No need to be defensive about it. Yes, it’s likely that one or more picks are included in a trade at the deadline or more likely at the draft.

The Miami pick might end up in the protected range, and Utah pick definitely will.

So it’s likely just the OKC pick with swap options and the Philly 1st.

Not sure how stating facts is being defensive. The OP posted that OKC doesn't have room on their roster for 4 draft picks when there is a near zero chance that all 4 convey and more likely that they wind up with only two assuming they don't trade any.

BigGargamel · Post #114 » by **BigGargamel** » Sat Jan 4, 2025 7:31 pm

Hoping Denver can buy a late first round draft pick from one of these teams like they did from OKC a couple years ago (Peyton Watson). Eventually these teams will know they have too many, no one will trade for them, and they'll have to give a couple of them away.

Bobbymcgee · Post #115 » by **Bobbymcgee** » Sat Jan 4, 2025 7:35 pm

This is unconscionable. The league should step in and convey these picks back to their original teams. I vote we start with the Clippers getting their picks back from OKC.

Post #116 » by **oldncreaky** » Sat Jan 4, 2025 8:10 pm

CptCrunch wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:I think one of the issues that most bothers me is that some teams (looking at you OKC) literally don't have the roster spots to even house all the draft picks they own.

Meaning a number of the draftees (new and past) will not get the development, reps, PT they'd normally receive if the picks were evenly distributed among the league. There'll be dozens of 19-20 year-olds the next few seasons who will fall out of the league after a rookie contract -- simply because they needed more time to develop but couldn't get it on an already overly young roster.

A ton of young guys will become NBA vagabonds as a result.

Let's call it "The Pokusevski Paradigm".

Impose a penalty to any team that doesn't have a roster spot for any first round pick not traded before draft day. Will create a desperation timer that devalues the pick more the it is to the draft.

I like this suggestion

I don't have much sympathy for teams with GMs who traded away picks. I do have sympathy for the players. The real harm of a few teams hoarding picks is that they will end up selecting players who don't get a legit chance to develop and make an NBA career because of the squeeze on roster spots.

A simple penalty is to have teams forfeit any picks they don't have an open roster spot for on draft day; you need a legit 15-man spot to draft an FRP, and at least a 2-way spot to draft a SRP. I think the net result will be that teams will sell the picks they would forfeit very cheaply to the teams that have room on their roster, and if a few picks are forfeited a few more undrafted rookies will get to choose which team to try and earn a contract with.

KGDirkTD_Fan · Post #117 » by **KGDirkTD_Fan** » Sat Jan 4, 2025 8:38 pm

Johnny Bball wrote:The 2nd apron seems to have mostly ended this practice. Or it will to some extent. You won't see many 4 first and 3 swap from one team deals anymore.

Yep a lot of these teams will wish they kept some of these picks so they can retool with decent value contracts. It'll fix itself over time, giving out 4 or 5 FRP even then under the old Cba seemed insane and unsustainable for most teams.

Wingy · Post #118 » by **Wingy** » Sat Jan 4, 2025 9:27 pm

OkcSinceSGA wrote:One thing I would do if I'm a good team... is we know OKC drafts insanely well. Even their later picks. Look at Ajay Mitchell who was just taken 38th and looks like rookie Jalen Brunson. He's not playing as much as he would on most teams. What teams should be doing is circling OKC for players drafted that they don't want/care about... to snipe on the cheap. When OKC starts being a 2nd apron team in a couple years.. they will be less inclined to keep guys like Jaylin Williams, Mitchell, Dieng etc.

You can really find some steals in the G League or via trading for unknown players following OKC's coat tails.

My ass team has scooped up Cam Payne and now Giddey. The fact OKC is willing to part with a player might actually be pretty damning.

OkcSinceSGA · Post #119 » by **OkcSinceSGA** » Sat Jan 4, 2025 9:28 pm

Wingy wrote:
OkcSinceSGA wrote:One thing I would do if I'm a good team... is we know OKC drafts insanely well. Even their later picks. Look at Ajay Mitchell who was just taken 38th and looks like rookie Jalen Brunson. He's not playing as much as he would on most teams. What teams should be doing is circling OKC for players drafted that they don't want/care about... to snipe on the cheap. When OKC starts being a 2nd apron team in a couple years.. they will be less inclined to keep guys like Jaylin Williams, Mitchell, Dieng etc.

You can really find some steals in the G League or via trading for unknown players following OKC's coat tails.

My ass team has scooped up Cam Payne and now Giddey. The fact OKC is willing to part with a player might actually be pretty damning.

. In all fairness.. they are bursting at the seams going forward with these picks, and they are a tier 1 contender now. So it's no longer a farm team.

Wingy · Post #120 » by **Wingy** » Sat Jan 4, 2025 9:40 pm

OkcSinceSGA wrote:
Wingy wrote:
OkcSinceSGA wrote:One thing I would do if I'm a good team... is we know OKC drafts insanely well. Even their later picks. Look at Ajay Mitchell who was just taken 38th and looks like rookie Jalen Brunson. He's not playing as much as he would on most teams. What teams should be doing is circling OKC for players drafted that they don't want/care about... to snipe on the cheap. When OKC starts being a 2nd apron team in a couple years.. they will be less inclined to keep guys like Jaylin Williams, Mitchell, Dieng etc.

You can really find some steals in the G League or via trading for unknown players following OKC's coat tails.

My ass team has scooped up Cam Payne and now Giddey. The fact OKC is willing to part with a player might actually be pretty damning.

. In all fairness.. they are bursting at the seams going forward with these picks, and they are a tier 1 contender now. So it's no longer a farm team.

Well, I think current situation actually makes them more of a farm team now than in the past. Forced to make roster decisions due to limits, probably needing to hurry guys along or cut ties before they might otherwise due to the huge number of picks.

Straddling a tough line now where they are getting closer to devaluing their picks/players as a result. Seems like they should try to pry away some star no one realizes is available.