Toronto - Houston - Miami

[Thaddy]

I don't see the direction for Toronto you say Brooks fits the timeline of a rebuild more than RJ. I mean he's a very good on ball defender and a decent shooter from 3 but I don't like his fit here. I honestly don't know why Toronto is here and why Miami wouldn't just take Brooks for themselves I don't like the RJ fit next to Herro anyways Brooks seems like a good fit in Miami post Jimmy still gives them a competitive guy who fits with Herro and Bam +

Houston could use Butler but do they really want him?

Barrett is younger than Brooks and can help Miami build a core with Bam and Herro, but also win now.

Brooks sucks but he's good for team culture. The Raptors need a defensive identity and leadership. Brooks is also Canadian and their front office values that sort of thing.

I doubt there's a straight trade for Fox, Miami is going to have to add picks or some incentive which I doubt they want to due to the risk it exposes them to. Then there is Ingram but it doesn't make sense for NOP and Butler probably doesn't want to be there.

A contender is also not going to give up amazing pieces for a guy who wants out. Miami has no leverage here, neither does Toronto. It's more about whether the Rockets prefer the Brooks to Butler upgrade.

Another argument I'd make is that Brown is comparable to Brooks too. They are also about the same age.

[BBallFreak]

I don't see the direction for Toronto you say Brooks fits the timeline of a rebuild more than RJ. I mean he's a very good on ball defender and a decent shooter from 3 but I don't like his fit here. I honestly don't know why Toronto is here and why Miami wouldn't just take Brooks for themselves I don't like the RJ fit next to Herro anyways Brooks seems like a good fit in Miami post Jimmy still gives them a competitive guy who fits with Herro and Bam +

Houston could use Butler but do they really want him?

Barrett is younger than Brooks and can help Miami build a core with Bam and Herro, but also win now.

Brooks sucks but he's good for team culture. The Raptors need a defensive identity and leadership. Brooks is also Canadian and their front office values that sort of thing.

I doubt there's a straight trade for Fox, Miami is going to have to add picks or some incentive which I doubt they want to due to the risk it exposes them to. Then there is Ingram but it doesn't make sense for NOP and Butler probably doesn't want to be there.

A contender is also not going to give up amazing pieces for a guy who wants out. Miami has no leverage here, neither does Toronto. It's more about whether the Rockets prefer the Brooks to Butler upgrade.

Another argument I'd make is that Brown is comparable to Brooks too. They are also about the same age.

What a bunch of gobbledygook. Do you not remember James Harden? You don't think Riley watched what happened with Daryl Morey? This suspension was a sign from Riley that he's willing to let it get ugly. Jimmy is a better player than Harden, for sure, especially in the playoffs, when it counts.

[Thaddy]

I don't see the direction for Toronto you say Brooks fits the timeline of a rebuild more than RJ. I mean he's a very good on ball defender and a decent shooter from 3 but I don't like his fit here. I honestly don't know why Toronto is here and why Miami wouldn't just take Brooks for themselves I don't like the RJ fit next to Herro anyways Brooks seems like a good fit in Miami post Jimmy still gives them a competitive guy who fits with Herro and Bam +

Houston could use Butler but do they really want him?

Barrett is younger than Brooks and can help Miami build a core with Bam and Herro, but also win now.

Brooks sucks but he's good for team culture. The Raptors need a defensive identity and leadership. Brooks is also Canadian and their front office values that sort of thing.

I doubt there's a straight trade for Fox, Miami is going to have to add picks or some incentive which I doubt they want to due to the risk it exposes them to. Then there is Ingram but it doesn't make sense for NOP and Butler probably doesn't want to be there.

A contender is also not going to give up amazing pieces for a guy who wants out. Miami has no leverage here, neither does Toronto. It's more about whether the Rockets prefer the Brooks to Butler upgrade.

Another argument I'd make is that Brown is comparable to Brooks too. They are also about the same age.

What a bunch of gobbledygook. Do you not remember James Harden? You don't think Riley watched what happened with Daryl Morey? This suspension was a sign from Riley that he's willing to let it get ugly. Jimmy is a better player than Harden, for sure, especially in the playoffs, when it counts.

The idea that Butler's and the Houston Harden's situation is the same is "gobbledygook". You're expecting a prime return for an old Butler. In another thread you said Miami won't add picks to him too. What's the optimal return for a 35 year old Butler? Give me a rough trade.

[BBallFreak]

Barrett is younger than Brooks and can help Miami build a core with Bam and Herro, but also win now.

Brooks sucks but he's good for team culture. The Raptors need a defensive identity and leadership. Brooks is also Canadian and their front office values that sort of thing.

I doubt there's a straight trade for Fox, Miami is going to have to add picks or some incentive which I doubt they want to due to the risk it exposes them to. Then there is Ingram but it doesn't make sense for NOP and Butler probably doesn't want to be there.

A contender is also not going to give up amazing pieces for a guy who wants out. Miami has no leverage here, neither does Toronto. It's more about whether the Rockets prefer the Brooks to Butler upgrade.

Another argument I'd make is that Brown is comparable to Brooks too. They are also about the same age.

What a bunch of gobbledygook. Do you not remember James Harden? You don't think Riley watched what happened with Daryl Morey? This suspension was a sign from Riley that he's willing to let it get ugly. Jimmy is a better player than Harden, for sure, especially in the playoffs, when it counts.

The idea that Butler's and the Houston Harden's situation is the same is "gobbledygook". You're expecting a prime return for an old Butler. In another thread you said Miami won't add picks to him too. What's the optimal return for a 35 year old Butler? Give me a rough trade.

No, not Houston Harden, Philadelphia to the Clippers Harden. Look it up!

[Thaddy]

What a bunch of gobbledygook. Do you not remember James Harden? You don't think Riley watched what happened with Daryl Morey? This suspension was a sign from Riley that he's willing to let it get ugly. Jimmy is a better player than Harden, for sure, especially in the playoffs, when it counts.

The idea that Butler's and the Houston Harden's situation is the same is "gobbledygook". You're expecting a prime return for an old Butler. In another thread you said Miami won't add picks to him too. What's the optimal return for a 35 year old Butler? Give me a rough trade.

No, not Houston Harden, Philadelphia to the Clippers Harden. Look it up!

The Heat have reportedly asked for competitive pieces not picks. Teams also learn from the mistakes of others. Toronto traded a first for a expiring Poeltl and can't get the same back. Butler is also older than Harden and declining. No one wants to give him an extension with the number figure he wants.

You're whole look at what X got for Y doesn't translate well for an older star who's begging for an extension none of the teams he is requesting will give him.

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[ThatBoyNick]

Pass.

I’m not comfortable with paying Jimmy anything Miami isn’t. Would have no interest in paying 2 first and Brooks for a rental. No interest in swapping out our best 3PT shooter for a non 3PT shooter.

If this was for Durant, maybe we could justify giving up some value for an injury prone 36 year old. Durants skills just fit what we need that well. I love Jimmy as a player, the fit is absolutely grueling for one of the worst 3PT shooting teams in the league.

[Thaddy]

Pass.

I’m not comfortable with paying Jimmy anything Miami isn’t. Would have no interest in paying 2 first and Brooks for a rental. No interest in swapping out our best 3PT shooter for a non 3PT shooter.

If this was for Durant, maybe we could justify giving up some value for an injury prone 36 year old. Durants skills just fit what we need that well. I love Jimmy as a player, the fit is absolutely grueling for one of the worst 3PT shooting teams in the league.

It's a low first and a 2nd rounder. Did you even bother reading the OP?

[ThatBoyNick]

Pass.

I’m not comfortable with paying Jimmy anything Miami isn’t. Would have no interest in paying 2 first and Brooks for a rental. No interest in swapping out our best 3PT shooter for a non 3PT shooter.

If this was for Durant, maybe we could justify giving up some value for an injury prone 36 year old. Durants skills just fit what we need that well. I love Jimmy as a player, the fit is absolutely grueling for one of the worst 3PT shooting teams in the league.

It's a low first and a 2nd rounder. Did you even bother reading the OP?

Misread it as 2 first, my bad.

That first isn’t what you think it is. OKC doesn’t have the right to swap with our PHX pick. We have rights to the swap with PHX pick after OKC swaps with ours.

It’s currently slotted at #11. And as noted on the first page, not eligible to be traded.

[Thaddy]

Pass.

I’m not comfortable with paying Jimmy anything Miami isn’t. Would have no interest in paying 2 first and Brooks for a rental. No interest in swapping out our best 3PT shooter for a non 3PT shooter.

If this was for Durant, maybe we could justify giving up some value for an injury prone 36 year old. Durants skills just fit what we need that well. I love Jimmy as a player, the fit is absolutely grueling for one of the worst 3PT shooting teams in the league.

It's a low first and a 2nd rounder. Did you even bother reading the OP?

Misread it as 2 first, my bad.

That first isn’t what you think it is. OKC doesn’t have the right to swap with our PHX pick. We have rights to the swap with PHX pick after OKC swaps with ours.

It’s currently slotted at #11. And as noted on the first page, not eligible to be traded.

It can be replaced by the HOU 1st in 2025 which is going to be in the 25ish range. An expiring, below average role player, and 2 low value picks for Barrett (high efficiency scorer, former top 3 pick, good contract, immense improvement, etc) is a pretty good trade. I'm not sure how Heat fans can think they'll get better than that considering the situation they're pinned into.

[ThatBoyNick]

It's a low first and a 2nd rounder. Did you even bother reading the OP?

Misread it as 2 first, my bad.

That first isn’t what you think it is. OKC doesn’t have the right to swap with our PHX pick. We have rights to the swap with PHX pick after OKC swaps with ours.

It’s currently slotted at #11. And as noted on the first page, not eligible to be traded.

It can be replaced by the HOU 1st in 2025 which is going to be in the 25ish range. An expiring, below average role player, and 2 low value picks for Barrett (high efficiency scorer, former top 3 pick, good contract, immense improvement, etc) is a pretty good trade. I'm not sure how Heat fans can think they'll get better than that considering the situation they're pinned into.

It can’t Houston won’t have that pick. We have one pick, that OKC can swap with, that we can then swap with PHX.

So it’s the 11th pick (that isn’t eligible to be traded), Brooks who’s an elite defender and literally our best 3PT shooter (he isn’t valued as a below average role player for us) for Jimmy, and for the reasons I stated above, still a pass, for me personally.

[Thaddy]

Misread it as 2 first, my bad.

That first isn’t what you think it is. OKC doesn’t have the right to swap with our PHX pick. We have rights to the swap with PHX pick after OKC swaps with ours.

It’s currently slotted at #11. And as noted on the first page, not eligible to be traded.

It can be replaced by the HOU 1st in 2025 which is going to be in the 25ish range. An expiring, below average role player, and 2 low value picks for Barrett (high efficiency scorer, former top 3 pick, good contract, immense improvement, etc) is a pretty good trade. I'm not sure how Heat fans can think they'll get better than that considering the situation they're pinned into.

It can’t Houston won’t have that pick. We have one pick, that OKC can swap with, that we can then swap with PHX.

So it’s the 11th pick (that isn’t eligible to be traded), Brooks who’s an elite defender and literally our best 3PT shooter (he isn’t valued as a below average role player for us) for Jimmy, and for the reasons I stated above, still a pass, for me personally.

https://fanspo.com/nba/teams/Rockets/11/draft-picks

Houston has their 2025 1st round pick.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/brookdi01.html

Brooks is a negative DBPM player, he is nowhere near being elite. He's shooting 34.9% on 4 3PA a game in his career maybe he's your best shooter but he isn't considered a good shooter by NBA standards.

[Mr Swagtastic]

I don't see the direction for Toronto you say Brooks fits the timeline of a rebuild more than RJ. I mean he's a very good on ball defender and a decent shooter from 3 but I don't like his fit here. I honestly don't know why Toronto is here and why Miami wouldn't just take Brooks for themselves I don't like the RJ fit next to Herro anyways Brooks seems like a good fit in Miami post Jimmy still gives them a competitive guy who fits with Herro and Bam +

Houston could use Butler but do they really want him?

Barrett is younger than Brooks and can help Miami build a core with Bam and Herro, but also win now.

Brooks sucks but he's good for team culture. The Raptors need a defensive identity and leadership. Brooks is also Canadian and their front office values that sort of thing.

I doubt there's a straight trade for Fox, Miami is going to have to add picks or some incentive which I doubt they want to due to the risk it exposes them to. Then there is Ingram but it doesn't make sense for NOP and Butler probably doesn't want to be there.

A contender is also not going to give up amazing pieces for a guy who wants out. Miami has no leverage here, neither does Toronto. It's more about whether the Rockets prefer the Brooks to Butler upgrade.

Another argument I'd make is that Brown is comparable to Brooks too. They are also about the same age.

Problem I think with Miami is they want a defensive wing to put with Herro and Brooks is that where as RJ isn't the best defender. You say Brooks is Canadian and Toronto wants that they have RJ who is from Toronto and is better for this team vs Brooks. Both guys are what they are Brooks is a defensive minded wing who can shoot the ball from 3 and be that pest to try to throw someone off their game. I think for Toronto they want RJ for his scoring ability on a team struggling to find buckets. I don't see Scottie is a 3 level scorer he's suited more for a low block guy who can hit a 3 here and there.

Explain how Brooks and Brown have similar values? Dillon Brooks has more value than Bruce Brown, if Toronto could swap Brown for Brooks they would do that 10/10 times Brown has little to no real value right now.

[jayjaysee]

It can be replaced by the HOU 1st in 2025 which is going to be in the 25ish range. An expiring, below average role player, and 2 low value picks for Barrett (high efficiency scorer, former top 3 pick, good contract, immense improvement, etc) is a pretty good trade. I'm not sure how Heat fans can think they'll get better than that considering the situation they're pinned into.

It can’t Houston won’t have that pick. We have one pick, that OKC can swap with, that we can then swap with PHX.

So it’s the 11th pick (that isn’t eligible to be traded), Brooks who’s an elite defender and literally our best 3PT shooter (he isn’t valued as a below average role player for us) for Jimmy, and for the reasons I stated above, still a pass, for me personally.

https://fanspo.com/nba/teams/Rockets/11/draft-picks

Houston has their 2025 1st round pick.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/brookdi01.html

Brooks is a negative DBPM player, he is nowhere near being elite. He's shooting 34.9% on 4 3PA a game in his career maybe he's your best shooter but he isn't considered a good shooter by NBA standards.

Your link says the same thing. But no Houston doesn’t have their first. Unless Phoenix starts winning a lot of games. And OKC starts loses a lot of games.

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

2025 first round draft pick from Oklahoma City or Phoenix (Houston outgoing to Oklahoma City or Brooklyn)
Oklahoma City has the right to swap its 2025 1st round pick for Houston's 2025 1st round pick protected for selections 1-10 or the L.A. Clippers' 2025 1st round pick; Houston then has the right to swap its pick or the Oklahoma City pick to Brooklyn for Phoenix's 2025 1st round pick; if the Houston pick falls within its protected range, then Houston's obligation to Oklahoma City will be extinguished and Houston will instead have the right to swap its pick to Brooklyn for the Phoenix pick [L.A. Clippers-Oklahoma City, 7/10/2019; Houston-Oklahoma City, 7/16/2019; Brooklyn-Cleveland-Houston-Indiana, 1/16/2021; Brooklyn-Indiana-Milwaukee-Phoenix, 2/9/2023; Brooklyn-Houston, 6/26/2024]

[Thaddy]

It can’t Houston won’t have that pick. We have one pick, that OKC can swap with, that we can then swap with PHX.

So it’s the 11th pick (that isn’t eligible to be traded), Brooks who’s an elite defender and literally our best 3PT shooter (he isn’t valued as a below average role player for us) for Jimmy, and for the reasons I stated above, still a pass, for me personally.

https://fanspo.com/nba/teams/Rockets/11/draft-picks

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/brookdi01.html

Brooks is a negative DBPM player, he is nowhere near being elite. He's shooting 34.9% on 4 3PA a game in his career maybe he's your best shooter but he isn't considered a good shooter by NBA standards.

Your link says the same thing. But no Houston doesn’t have their first. Unless Phoenix starts winning a lot of games. And OKC starts loses a lot of games.

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

2025 first round draft pick from Oklahoma City or Phoenix (Houston outgoing to Oklahoma City or Brooklyn)
Oklahoma City has the right to swap its 2025 1st round pick for Houston's 2025 1st round pick protected for selections 1-10 or the L.A. Clippers' 2025 1st round pick; Houston then has the right to swap its pick or the Oklahoma City pick to Brooklyn for Phoenix's 2025 1st round pick; if the Houston pick falls within its protected range, then Houston's obligation to Oklahoma City will be extinguished and Houston will instead have the right to swap its pick to Brooklyn for the Phoenix pick [L.A. Clippers-Oklahoma City, 7/10/2019; Houston-Oklahoma City, 7/16/2019; Brooklyn-Cleveland-Houston-Indiana, 1/16/2021; Brooklyn-Indiana-Milwaukee-Phoenix, 2/9/2023; Brooklyn-Houston, 6/26/2024]

Houston has a ton of other picks they can also trade. It's not an issue.

I don't see the direction for Toronto you say Brooks fits the timeline of a rebuild more than RJ. I mean he's a very good on ball defender and a decent shooter from 3 but I don't like his fit here. I honestly don't know why Toronto is here and why Miami wouldn't just take Brooks for themselves I don't like the RJ fit next to Herro anyways Brooks seems like a good fit in Miami post Jimmy still gives them a competitive guy who fits with Herro and Bam +

Houston could use Butler but do they really want him?

Barrett is younger than Brooks and can help Miami build a core with Bam and Herro, but also win now.

Brooks sucks but he's good for team culture. The Raptors need a defensive identity and leadership. Brooks is also Canadian and their front office values that sort of thing.

I doubt there's a straight trade for Fox, Miami is going to have to add picks or some incentive which I doubt they want to due to the risk it exposes them to. Then there is Ingram but it doesn't make sense for NOP and Butler probably doesn't want to be there.

A contender is also not going to give up amazing pieces for a guy who wants out. Miami has no leverage here, neither does Toronto. It's more about whether the Rockets prefer the Brooks to Butler upgrade.

Another argument I'd make is that Brown is comparable to Brooks too. They are also about the same age.

Problem I think with Miami is they want a defensive wing to put with Herro and Brooks is that where as RJ isn't the best defender. You say Brooks is Canadian and Toronto wants that they have RJ who is from Toronto and is better for this team vs Brooks. Both guys are what they are Brooks is a defensive minded wing who can shoot the ball from 3 and be that pest to try to throw someone off their game. I think for Toronto they want RJ for his scoring ability on a team struggling to find buckets. I don't see Scottie is a 3 level scorer he's suited more for a low block guy who can hit a 3 here and there.

Explain how Brooks and Brown have similar values? Dillon Brooks has more value than Bruce Brown, if Toronto could swap Brown for Brooks they would do that 10/10 times Brown has little to no real value right now.

Brown was on a championship Nuggets team and was a key role player. Brooks was exiled out of Memphis. He was a bad volume scorer and has a negative BPM. They are also both about the same age.