GT: CHA vs Pistons Today January 3rd at 7PM

Robot Rock · Post #81 » by **Robot Rock** » Sat Jan 4, 2025 4:44 am

It's OK to admit the best Ball brother in 2025 is LiAngelo, and it's not what he's doing on the court. His new song is like a trip back to 2004.

amcoolio · Post #82 » by **amcoolio** » Sat Jan 4, 2025 4:46 am

I didn't think it was possible to get worse than Steve Clifford offense but here we are

Maybe Lee is just blindsided by the current NBA meta? Scoring is down, FT attempts are down, pace is slow, and Lee has no idea how to navigate it

Post #83 » by **fatlever** » Sat Jan 4, 2025 7:59 am

I have no idea what Lee is doing

Post #84 » by **yosemiteben** » Sun Jan 5, 2025 1:40 am

DET smoking MIN the night after we played them tight.

Braggins · Post #85 » by **Braggins** » Sun Jan 5, 2025 2:00 am

I'm not ready to judge Lee too harshly in most areas yet, but this team playing at a bottom five pace is indefensible.

Post #86 » by **JDR720** » Sun Jan 5, 2025 2:15 am

We don't really take many quick shots. Our offense is Melo isolation and 3pt shooting.

Post #87 » by **JDR720** » Sun Jan 5, 2025 2:24 am

yosemiteben wrote:DET smoking MIN the night after we played them tight.

The Pistons added like 3 good players to the worst team in the league and are going to make the playoffs now. It's very irritating how literally everyone but us seem to make progress in their rebuilds.

KembaWalker · Post #88 » by **KembaWalker** » Sun Jan 5, 2025 3:20 am

JDR720 wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:DET smoking MIN the night after we played them tight.

The Pistons added like 3 good players to the worst team in the league and are going to make the playoffs now. It's very irritating how literally everyone but us seem to make progress in their rebuilds.

Helps when you add a decent coaching staff. Besides JB they have Luke Walton and Sid Lowe on the bench. We’ve got Lee and some guys out of the dollar general discount bin. Cheap owners getting what they paid for

Robot Rock · Post #89 » by **Robot Rock** » Sun Jan 5, 2025 3:25 am

Charles Lee has proven himself to be a terrible hire. Defensible on paper at the time given his previous employer's success, but he's by far the league's worst head coach. Just an abject failure and even if fans like him, his players sure don't.

wilson115 · Post #90 » by **wilson115** » Sun Jan 5, 2025 3:44 am

KembaWalker wrote:
JDR720 wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:DET smoking MIN the night after we played them tight.

The Pistons added like 3 good players to the worst team in the league and are going to make the playoffs now. It's very irritating how literally everyone but us seem to make progress in their rebuilds.

Helps when you add a decent coaching staff. Besides JB they have Luke Walton and Sid Lowe on the bench. We’ve got Lee and some guys out of the dollar general discount bin. Cheap owners getting what they paid for

Langdon was a top candidate to replace Mitch. The Pistons also spent more money than anyone to hire Monty Williams and look what happened. Honestly, if all you really need to build a .500 team is add a bunch of Kelly Oubres to your young core then there's no reason at all to worry.
https://www.mlive.com/pistons/2024/07/evaluating-the-detroit-pistons-offseason-moves-grading-each-acquisition.html

KembaWalker · Post #91 » by **KembaWalker** » Sun Jan 5, 2025 3:58 am

wilson115 wrote:
KembaWalker wrote:
JDR720 wrote:The Pistons added like 3 good players to the worst team in the league and are going to make the playoffs now. It's very irritating how literally everyone but us seem to make progress in their rebuilds.

Helps when you add a decent coaching staff. Besides JB they have Luke Walton and Sid Lowe on the bench. We’ve got Lee and some guys out of the dollar general discount bin. Cheap owners getting what they paid for

Langdon was a top candidate to replace Mitch. The Pistons also spent more money than anyone to hire Monty Williams and look what happened. Honestly, if all you really need to build a .500 team is add a bunch of Kelly Oubres to your young core then there's no reason at all to worry.
https://www.mlive.com/pistons/2024/07/evaluating-the-detroit-pistons-offseason-moves-grading-each-acquisition.html

Taking a risk on a mega coach hire and then admitting it was a mistake and paying to cut loose early and getting another big winning coach and expensive staff immediately after is drama I can assure you this franchise will never have to deal with.

SWedd523 · Post #92 » by **SWedd523** » Sun Jan 5, 2025 4:13 am

This is why I don't take much stock in who the HC is. I don't remember anyone really ever lauding JB as a good coach

He was ran out of Memphis and they got better and then ran out of Cleveland and now they're looking like the best team in the league.

Suddenly he's a "big winning coach"?

Come on man.

Lee is a rookie. He's got a lot of growing to do but calling him the worst coach in the league is premature.

He's getting 50 minutes from a PG rotation of Micic and KJ Simpson giving 12/6 on 4/18 shooting and 50 minutes from a Green/Martin rotation giving 13/11 on 5/13 shooting.

The ghost of Red Auerbach himself would look like ass with this dookie roster led by two guys racking up DNP-Don't Feel Like Its

KembaWalker · Post #93 » by **KembaWalker** » Sun Jan 5, 2025 4:34 am

He’s got as many winning seasons as this franchise does in its existence. He’s led a team to 50 wins. Whether you consider it big or not, I guarantee you he cost a helluva lot more than Charles Lee which is impressive to spend on coming off Monty. The rest of the staff is laughable, Luke Walton probably costs more than the entire rest of our coaching staff put together

When it comes down to the day to day decisions I’m assuming there is probably a long term difference in quality between if they are being made by an assistant coach at Guilford College versus Lamar Skeeter versus Luke Walton.

This entire orgs culture is permeated with lowest bidder work and it’s the main reason we are where we are

SWedd523 · Post #94 » by **SWedd523** » Sun Jan 5, 2025 5:19 am

And Tyron Lue is the 4th highest paid coach in the league, Doc Rivers is the 6th highest, and Redick the 13th.

I don't see any strong correlation between salary and talent level.

In reality there's maybe a handful of coaches who are difference makers. The Popovich, Spo, Buds of the world. The rest are mostly just faces, personalities, and names.

In that same reality, not even the Pop, Spo, and Buds of the world can win with **** rosters. It goes way deeper than the coaching staff and I'll continue to argue that a good roster is significantly more important than the coach.

KembaWalker · Post #95 » by **KembaWalker** » Sun Jan 5, 2025 1:13 pm

It’s not so much that having an NBA level coaching staff would suddenly make us a great team, it’s that it would at least show that our ownership is actually going to try. They can’t create assets out of thin air to get our roster fixed up, they can’t circumvent the salary cap but they can pay coaches whatever they want. There are teams in our “tier” of market like Detroit and Indiana that are making serious investments in what they can control, and then theres us

SWedd523 · Post #96 » by **SWedd523** » Sun Jan 5, 2025 1:42 pm

That much we can definitely agree upon

Post #97 » by **yosemiteben** » Sun Jan 5, 2025 3:12 pm

Attacking our coach and ownership group based on an assumption of what the coach's salary is with no actual knowledge of what it is seems like a bad idea, but go on.

KembaWalker · Post #98 » by **KembaWalker** » Sun Jan 5, 2025 3:36 pm

yosemiteben wrote:Attacking our coach and ownership group based on an assumption of what the coach's salary is with no actual knowledge of what it is seems like a bad idea, but go on.

Defending our budget ownership and coaches with the output for their combined efforts on full tragic display every night seems like a worse idea, but go on.

If you need a accounting breakdown conclude that this coaching staff is incredibly cheaply formed and unqualified, that’s just poor deduction and on you

EmpireFalls · Post #99 » by **EmpireFalls** » Sun Jan 5, 2025 4:05 pm

amcoolio wrote:I didn't think it was possible to get worse than Steve Clifford offense but here we are

Maybe Lee is just blindsided by the current NBA meta? Scoring is down, FT attempts are down, pace is slow, and Lee has no idea how to navigate it

Lee is doing a bottom 3 coaching job this year and it’s actually getting worse.

Post #100 » by **yosemiteben** » Sun Jan 5, 2025 7:52 pm

KembaWalker wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:Attacking our coach and ownership group based on an assumption of what the coach's salary is with no actual knowledge of what it is seems like a bad idea, but go on.

Defending our budget ownership and coaches with the output for their combined efforts on full tragic display every night seems like a worse idea, but go on.

If you need a accounting breakdown conclude that this coaching staff is incredibly cheaply formed and unqualified, that’s just poor deduction and on you

You legit have no idea how much anyone is making. It's just a clown take to attack them for something you have no idea about.

I'm not defending them, and if you want to criticize them for their performance, something you actually have evidence for, then go for it.

But saying "this is what a low budget gets you" when you have literally no idea what the budget is is just dumb.