NBA Trade Thread #11

[Infinity2152]

No, I think it’s good! At some point we might be beating a dead horse, but what the heck is a message board for if it’s like “you can speak once and never again?”

Appreciate that. It was actually fun debating back and forth with you. Believe me, I don't think my opinion is more valid than yours and I know you and a lot of the others I debate know a great deal about basketball. Somebody has to play Devil's advocate, lol.

I'm a firm believer in none of us can remotely predict the correct future, too many random factors. Most we can do is make moves we think are right at the time, try to get better and hope for the best.

Thanks and I agree. The primary reason I’m on this board is probably that I don’t have anybody IRL who follows the Bulls as closely as everyone around here does, so this is a great outlet to get into the nitty gritty.

That just made me laugh for real. Was thinking the same thing. Just tried to imagine talking to any of my IRL friend's about TS% or the second tax apron, lmao!

Every time I debate in here, I learn more about basketball and individual players, from others and from looking up facts and stats to support my arguments. Wasn't a Jimmy Butler expert till very recently, lol.

[Chi town]

Lonzo makes a lot of sense for DET wanting to make the playoffs.

They have that 14M and some players and picks.

[Donkedave]

So here we are again, do we still blow it up?

[Dan Z]

Lonzo makes a lot of sense for DET wanting to make the playoffs.

They have that 14M and some players and picks.

If theyre interested in Lonzo doesn't it make sense to offer him a contract this off season rather than give up assets for him?

[Ccwatercraft]

Appreciate that. It was actually fun debating back and forth with you. Believe me, I don't think my opinion is more valid than yours and I know you and a lot of the others I debate know a great deal about basketball. Somebody has to play Devil's advocate, lol.

I'm a firm believer in none of us can remotely predict the correct future, too many random factors. Most we can do is make moves we think are right at the time, try to get better and hope for the best.

Thanks and I agree. The primary reason I’m on this board is probably that I don’t have anybody IRL who follows the Bulls as closely as everyone around here does, so this is a great outlet to get into the nitty gritty.

That just made me laugh for real. Was thinking the same thing. Just tried to imagine talking to any of my IRL friend's about TS% or the second tax apron, lmao!

Every time I debate in here, I learn more about basketball and individual players, from others and from looking up facts and stats to support my arguments. Wasn't a Jimmy Butler expert till very recently, lol.

If I brought up the 2nd Apron in my house my wife would say "i had no idea you even had one apron"

[Charlesareed]

New is gsw want vouc for fillers and 2/3 srps

[sco]

New is gsw want vouc for fillers and 2/3 srps

I'd LOVE Kuminga, Podz, or Moody, but don't see any of those happening. That said, I would do GPII (expiring), Looney (expiring), TJD (decent potential prospect) and whatever 2nds for Vuc. Works in Fanspo.

[Charlesareed]

New is gsw want vouc for fillers and 2/3 srps

I'd LOVE Kuminga, Podz, or Moody, but don't see any of those happening. That said, I would do GPII (expiring), Looney (expiring), TJD (decent potential prospect) and whatever 2nds for Vuc. Works in Fanspo.

I don’t see them trading TJD at all for vuc maybe for Coby & vuc

[Muzbar]

New is gsw want vouc for fillers and 2/3 srps

I'd LOVE Kuminga, Podz, or Moody, but don't see any of those happening. That said, I would do GPII (expiring), Looney (expiring), TJD (decent potential prospect) and whatever 2nds for Vuc. Works in Fanspo.

Heck, I'd do that deal without the 2nds.

Alternatively, Looney/GP2/Santos/their 2025 1st?

[sco]

New is gsw want vouc for fillers and 2/3 srps

I'd LOVE Kuminga, Podz, or Moody, but don't see any of those happening. That said, I would do GPII (expiring), Looney (expiring), TJD (decent potential prospect) and whatever 2nds for Vuc. Works in Fanspo.

Heck, I'd do that deal without the 2nds.

Alternatively, Looney/GP2/Santos/their 2025 1st?

I'd do that too.

[sco]

New is gsw want vouc for fillers and 2/3 srps

I'd LOVE Kuminga, Podz, or Moody, but don't see any of those happening. That said, I would do GPII (expiring), Looney (expiring), TJD (decent potential prospect) and whatever 2nds for Vuc. Works in Fanspo.

I don’t see them trading TJD at all for vuc maybe for Coby & vuc

If we trade Vuc for expirings and 2nds (probably right), then I'd like us to also be able to unload Carter's contract as part of a deal.

[kodo]

Vucevic has more trade interest from contenders than Jimmy Butler. Yep it's 2025 alright.

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[Guru]

Went through every team I thought was a legitimate trade partner based off needs from here:

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It's obvious that you can't include every possibility and that most of these will never come into fruition. All picks are just guesses and I get the argument that it's too much or too little, the point of adding picks is that we would get more than just the players.

Vuc to Memphis
Mem Vuc Kennard, Konchar, 2-2nds
Vuc Kennard, Konchar, 1st
-This one is a possibility as they try to add bodies to go on a run.

Mavs add Craig
Mavs Craig Maxence-Prosper, 2nd

Hawks add another scorer
HawksWhite Nance, 1st
Lavine Capela, Bogdonavic, 1st

Spurs speed up the build
SpursWhite Jones
White Paul
Lavine Barnes, Collins, 1sts
Lavine/Vuc Barnes, Collins, Paul, Jones, 1sts
Lavine/Vuc Barnes, Collins, Paul, Jones, Branham 1sts
Lavine/Vuc/Craig Barnes, Collins, Paul, Jones, Branham 1sts
Lavine/Vuc/Craig Barnes, Collins, Paul, Jones 1sts
Lavine/Craig Barnes, Collins, Paul 1sts
White/Vuc Barnes, Collins, 1sts
White/Vuc Collins, Paul, 1sts
White/Vuc Barnes, Paul, 1sts
White/Vuc/Craig Barnes, Collins 1sts

Golden State tries to get the most out of the end of Curry
GS Vuc Payton, Looney, Podz, 2nds
Craig Podz
White Looney, Podz, 1st
Lavine Wiggins, Looney, Payton, 1sts
Lavine/Craig Wiggins, Looney, Payton, Podz, 1sts
Lavine/Vuc Wiggins, Looney, Payton, Podz, Schroder, Waters, 1sts

Pistons try to take a step forward
Detroit White Hardaway Picks
White/Craig Hardaway Picks

Blazers take a chance at getting a PG
Blazers White Robert Williams

Rockets at a playmaker
Rockets White Londale and Picks
Londale and McVeigh and Picks

Lakers make push
LakersVuc-Craig Rui, Hayes-Hood-Schifini and Picks
Vuc Rui-Hood-Schifini and Picks
White-Craig-THT Vincent-Hayes-Hood-Schifini and Picks

Knicks add a defender
Knicks Craig Sims and Picks

Bump.....Vuc to Warriors

[Future Coach]

New is gsw want vouc for fillers and 2/3 srps

I'd LOVE Kuminga, Podz, or Moody, but don't see any of those happening. That said, I would do GPII (expiring), Looney (expiring), TJD (decent potential prospect) and whatever 2nds for Vuc. Works in Fanspo.

I don’t see them trading TJD at all for vuc maybe for Coby & vuc

I actually think the Warriors might want/prefer to keep GPII as they love his instant energy defensively and on rebounds, and he knows the offense well. Plus, he provides them with some cap flexibility going forward. He just needs to be healthy.
I also agree that they want to keep TJD.
With that in mind, maybe Moody can be available in a trade for Vuc. Something like Looney + Moody + Anderson. 3-for-1 trade would require folks being cut/signed, so maybe also include someone like THT/Phillips/Craig and see if it can increase the # of picks coming back.

Really, just about everyone on the Bulls should be available for the right price, so the Bulls need to get to work on acquiring as much value in return as they can.

[Muzbar]

I'd LOVE Kuminga, Podz, or Moody, but don't see any of those happening. That said, I would do GPII (expiring), Looney (expiring), TJD (decent potential prospect) and whatever 2nds for Vuc. Works in Fanspo.

I don’t see them trading TJD at all for vuc maybe for Coby & vuc

I actually think the Warriors might want/prefer to keep GPII as they love his instant energy defensively and on rebounds, and he knows the offense well. Plus, he provides them with some cap flexibility going forward. He just needs to be healthy.
I also agree that they want to keep TJD.
With that in mind, maybe Moody can be available in a trade for Vuc. Something like Looney + Moody + Anderson. 3-for-1 trade would require folks being cut/signed, so maybe also include someone like THT/Phillips/Craig and see if it can increase the # of picks coming back.

Really, just about everyone on the Bulls should be available for the right price, so the Bulls need to get to work on acquiring as much value in return as they can.

The issue with Moody is that he's a poison pill provision contract, so outgoing he's worth 5.8m for GS but the incoming team would be receiving 11.2m, so it's a little bit trickier including him, but not impossible.

[Future Coach]

I don’t see them trading TJD at all for vuc maybe for Coby & vuc

I actually think the Warriors might want/prefer to keep GPII as they love his instant energy defensively and on rebounds, and he knows the offense well. Plus, he provides them with some cap flexibility going forward. He just needs to be healthy.
I also agree that they want to keep TJD.
With that in mind, maybe Moody can be available in a trade for Vuc. Something like Looney + Moody + Anderson. 3-for-1 trade would require folks being cut/signed, so maybe also include someone like THT/Phillips/Craig and see if it can increase the # of picks coming back.

Really, just about everyone on the Bulls should be available for the right price, so the Bulls need to get to work on acquiring as much value in return as they can.

The issue with Moody is that he's a poison pill provision contract, so outgoing he's worth 5.8m for GS but the incoming team would be receiving 11.2m, so it's a little bit trickier including him, but not impossible.

So would just Moody + Looney + picks work then?

[Infinity2152]

I'd LOVE Kuminga, Podz, or Moody, but don't see any of those happening. That said, I would do GPII (expiring), Looney (expiring), TJD (decent potential prospect) and whatever 2nds for Vuc. Works in Fanspo.

I don’t see them trading TJD at all for vuc maybe for Coby & vuc

If we trade Vuc for expirings and 2nds (probably right), then I'd like us to also be able to unload Carter's contract as part of a deal.

Was thinking the exact same thing. Contracts would be really hard to match, Warriors used an exception to sign a free agent, so can't go more than $6 mill over cap at any point. Their 3 highest non-critical contracts, GPII, Looney and Anderson aren't enough for Vuc and Carter alone. Hield would have to be included for Looney to make it work, and no way we need Hield, plus Anderson has 3 years left.

Any Vuc trade to the Warriors not involving Wiggins probably has us taking an extra player, so they'll have to compensate us for waiving somebody, too.

[Muzbar]

I actually think the Warriors might want/prefer to keep GPII as they love his instant energy defensively and on rebounds, and he knows the offense well. Plus, he provides them with some cap flexibility going forward. He just needs to be healthy.
I also agree that they want to keep TJD.
With that in mind, maybe Moody can be available in a trade for Vuc. Something like Looney + Moody + Anderson. 3-for-1 trade would require folks being cut/signed, so maybe also include someone like THT/Phillips/Craig and see if it can increase the # of picks coming back.

Really, just about everyone on the Bulls should be available for the right price, so the Bulls need to get to work on acquiring as much value in return as they can.

The issue with Moody is that he's a poison pill provision contract, so outgoing he's worth 5.8m for GS but the incoming team would be receiving 11.2m, so it's a little bit trickier including him, but not impossible.

So would just Moody + Looney + picks work then?

No. Because Moody (5.8m) + Looney (8m) is only 13.8m outgoing for GS, they're close to the apron and nearly have to match dollar for dollar.

It would probably have to be a 3 team trade to include Moody.

[Infinity2152]

These teams looking to make trades better realize there's only one team in the league with cap space to facilitate as a third team. Once Detroit's cap is gone, a lot of teams will be locked out of potential trades. Detroit actually has a lot of power right now, they could hold up the trade market waiting for the best deal.

I guess some other teams COULD work, but nobody else has cap space so it would cost a lot more.

[Hangtime84]

These teams looking to make trades better realize there's only one team in the league with cap space to facilitate as a third team. Once Detroit's cap is gone, a lot of teams will be locked out of potential trades. Detroit actually has a lot of power right now, they could hold up the trade market waiting for the best deal.

I guess some other teams COULD work, but nobody else has cap space so it would cost a lot more.

Which will get them lots of draft picks. They holding out until the highest bidder.