It might actually be time to get rid of the three point line

[D.Brasco]

But getting rid of the three point line is a decent idea. I do wonder if it would swing things back over to big men a bit too much though, not sure I want to go back to watching unskilled bigs post up all the time.

It'd be a more fair game but yes, probably less entertaining for fans. In a game like basketball it would obviously always be an advantage to be the taller bigger man...unless the rules are changed to negate that.

Guards would have never had any dominance in the NBA if the rules didn't get changed following the arrivals of George Mikan and then Wilt, they even banned dunking in college for a brief period due to Kareem.

[og15]

But getting rid of the three point line is a decent idea. I do wonder if it would swing things back over to big men a bit too much though, not sure I want to go back to watching unskilled bigs post up all the time.

It'd be a more fair game but yes, probably less entertaining for fans. In a game like basketball it would obviously always be an advantage to be the taller bigger man, unless the rules are changed to negate that.

I think with analytics we still wouldn't get the unskilled bigs posting up. Many of us because of our age likely, 30's to 50's being the largest majority of posters here associate too much with late 90's and early 00's basketball.

There's too much analytics for teams to be posting up the Antonio Davis', Dale Davis', and even Jermaine O'Neal's of the world multiple times a game for contested short jumpshots.

The 80's didn't have that kind of basketball, neither the 70's. Now transition defense was of course not very good, but the current NBA has you pace, you can set up for a lot of open, what would then be "range" jumpers, I guess not really mid-range if there is no 3PT, just short and long, lol

If there's no "better" 3PT shot, everyone has to find a way to have some effectiveness away from the basket to pull defenders away. Of course the 80's, etc had illegal defense, and that had the ability to force spacing in a way that you don't have without it.

So with partial zone allowed (we still have 3 in the key of course), I think there is a greater difficulty in generating spacing in the half court than before.

Teams would obviously not particularly go that hard at defending any jumpshot outside 16-18 feet most of the time, because there's no extra bonus.

It would definitely be interesting to see how it would look in the modern NBA with zone allowed and analytics and all that, it's possible it would not be pretty. I'm pretty sure all the people complaining now would find new complaints as people of course aren't thinking of, and we can't anticipate all the unintended consequences of something like that.

[CIN-C-STAR]

I think it would be fascinating to see how it played out for like an All Star game, or even an entire NBA Cup thing.
Even if you like 3s, would he fun just to see what it would look like.

[JujitsuFlip]

you can't go back

i wish the 3 was never born, but eliminating the 3 wipes out 2decades of this millenium

i think there's a conspiracy involving the analytics of the 3.
i'm not a great googler but i tried googling "what is the nba average shooting% of the 3pt shot in the last 3 minutes of a game"?

i got NO search results. maybe it's my lack of googling skills, but i'd like to know. i've always contended that the 3 efficiency analytic is fraudulent

Conspiracy by whom? Lol

You might mean a different word than conspiracy.

I don't know if you can find an average. You can get the clutch stats, so it's not every game last 3 minutes, but close games:

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/clutch-traditional?ClutchTime=Last%203%20Minutes&dir=A&sort=FG3A

Of course the sample size is very small for this season.

If you do last season for a bigger sample:
https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/clutch-traditional?ClutchTime=Last%203%20Minutes&Season=2023-24&dir=A&sort=FG_PCT

That doesn't give an average, but the median is around 31% 3PT. Media eFG% was around 50.5%.

You can see what percentage of shots teams took from 3PT and 2PT:
https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/clutch-scoring?Season=2023-24&dir=A&sort=PCT_FGA_2PT

THOSE EVIL ANALYTICS GUYS!!!!!

They are robbing us of the pure joy of watching contested 22 foot bricks

Bahahaha right?

[D.Brasco]

I think it would be fascinating to see how it played out for like an All Star game, or even an entire NBA Cup thing.
Even if you like 3s, would he fun just to see what it would look like.

I wouldn't be surprised if we get a "rival" league sort of what Ice Cube has done with the Big 3, where their selling point is having no 3 line and more emphasis on attacking the basket and post play.

[CIN-C-STAR]

I think it would be fascinating to see how it played out for like an All Star game, or even an entire NBA Cup thing.
Even if you like 3s, would he fun just to see what it would look like.

I wouldn't be surprised if we get a "rival" league sort of what Ice Cube has done with the Big 3, where their selling point is having no 3 line and more emphasis on attacking the basket and post play.

Now that would be ironic as hell, considering the 3-point line was the invention and most successful gimmick of the original rival league, the ABA.

Personally if I was starting from scratch I’d have a bigger court, and either push the 3-point line way back or make it worth 2.5 points.
Actually think the 2.5 thing makes the most sense in a vacuum, but not sure people can get past the half point thing lol.

[jbk1234]

I personally would just bring back hand checking. That would make things way more even between defender and shooters.

But getting rid of the three point line is a decent idea. I do wonder if it would swing things back over to big men a bit too much though, not sure I want to go back to watching unskilled bigs post up all the time.

Hand checking wouldn't help in most instances because most attempts occur when a player helps off a shooter. What would help would be if the NBA got serious about calling moving screens.

[IG2]

Hand checking wouldn't help in most instances because most attempts occur when a player helps off a shooter. What would help would be if the NBA got serious about calling moving screens.

The league already allows plenty of contact on the perimeter after the AS break last season. I'm watching Celtics-Thunder right now and there's plenty of hand checking going on on every possession. Might wanna check their 3PA lol

[og15]

I think it would be fascinating to see how it played out for like an All Star game, or even an entire NBA Cup thing.
Even if you like 3s, would he fun just to see what it would look like.

I wouldn't be surprised if we get a "rival" league sort of what Ice Cube has done with the Big 3, where their selling point is having no 3 line and more emphasis on attacking the basket and post play.

Now that would be ironic as hell, considering the 3-point line was the invention and most successful gimmick of the original rival league, the ABA.

Personally if I was starting from scratch I’d have a bigger court, and either push the 3-point line way back or make it worth 2.5 points.
Actually think the 2.5 thing makes the most sense in a vacuum, but not sure people can get past the half point thing lol.

Haha points would throw people off, especially playing in non professional settings, 2.5 pointer!!!

If people could see the future, 2's are 3's and 3's are 4's would solve it.

You could also make it that every other 3PT shot in a game is worth 3 pts instead of having 2.5 pts. Would be different but interesting.

You could have the color of the three pt line change when it's only with 2 if you really wanted

[ahartleyvu]

They need to fix foul baiting way before too many 3PT baskets. Maybe they should scoot it back some

[Lalouie]

you can't go back

i wish the 3 was never born, but eliminating the 3 wipes out 2decades of this millenium

i think there's a conspiracy involving the analytics of the 3.
i'm not a great googler but i tried googling "what is the nba average shooting% of the 3pt shot in the last 3 minutes of a game"?

i got NO search results. maybe it's my lack of googling skills, but i'd like to know. i've always contended that the 3 efficiency analytic is fraudulent

Conspiracy by whom? Lol

You might mean a different word than conspiracy.

I don't know if you can find an average. You can get the clutch stats, so it's not every game last 3 minutes, but close games:

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/clutch-traditional?ClutchTime=Last%203%20Minutes&dir=A&sort=FG3A

Of course the sample size is very small for this season.

If you do last season for a bigger sample:
https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/clutch-traditional?ClutchTime=Last%203%20Minutes&Season=2023-24&dir=A&sort=FG_PCT

That doesn't give an average, but the median is around 31% 3PT. Media eFG% was around 50.5%.

You can see what percentage of shots teams took from 3PT and 2PT:
https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/clutch-scoring?Season=2023-24&dir=A&sort=PCT_FGA_2PT

whomever. you get the point. there's a bazillion stats scoped down to the micro second, and there's no nba 3pt average in the last 3min of a game???

i mean i guess a motivated person could just start taking down the numbers for 3pt shots of every game in the the 3minutes. that's not so hard is it.

[Godymas]

is the issue to get rid of the three point shots or is the issue that finishing inside has to be encouraged by getting rid of the three second rule?

[Marvin Martian]

Has there ever been a sport where "fans" are advocating to punish players for being too good?

Its so stupid and I can't believe enough people take it seriously that its even a discussion.

Soon they will be advocating to raise the hoop because the players are jumping too high.

And then increasing the size of the court because the players are too fast

And then banning foreigners like Wemby because they are too skilled

[Braggins]

Has there ever been a sport where "fans" are advocating to punish players for being too good?

Its so stupid and I can't believe enough people take it seriously that its even a discussion.

Soon they will be advocating to raise the hoop because the players are too jumping too high.

And then increasing the size of the court because the players are too fast

And then banning foreigners like Wemby because they are too skilled

Shots at the rim are even more efficient than 3pt shots. Its just too easy for players to dunk now, so we have to do something to curb all these lame easy shots at the rim. Maybe if they move the rim to 11 feet that will do the trick. Spamming shots at the rim is ruining the NBA.

[Nate505]

Has there ever been a sport where "fans" are advocating to punish players for being too good?

Yes. Literally almost every sport.

[og15]

you can't go back

i wish the 3 was never born, but eliminating the 3 wipes out 2decades of this millenium

i think there's a conspiracy involving the analytics of the 3.
i'm not a great googler but i tried googling "what is the nba average shooting% of the 3pt shot in the last 3 minutes of a game"?

i got NO search results. maybe it's my lack of googling skills, but i'd like to know. i've always contended that the 3 efficiency analytic is fraudulent

Conspiracy by whom? Lol

You might mean a different word than conspiracy.

I don't know if you can find an average. You can get the clutch stats, so it's not every game last 3 minutes, but close games:

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/clutch-traditional?ClutchTime=Last%203%20Minutes&dir=A&sort=FG3A

Of course the sample size is very small for this season.

If you do last season for a bigger sample:
https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/clutch-traditional?ClutchTime=Last%203%20Minutes&Season=2023-24&dir=A&sort=FG_PCT

That doesn't give an average, but the median is around 31% 3PT. Media eFG% was around 50.5%.

You can see what percentage of shots teams took from 3PT and 2PT:
https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/clutch-scoring?Season=2023-24&dir=A&sort=PCT_FGA_2PT

whomever. you get the point. there's a bazillion stats scoped down to the micro second, and there's no nba 3pt average in the last 3min of a game???

i mean i guess a motivated person could just start taking down the numbers for 3pt shots of every game in the the 3minutes. that's not so hard is it.

That seems like a bad method, you could just add the totals from that chart and get the number, well at least for close games.

Maybe one of those paid stats things has it, and teams would have that data, sure, but I mean we don't have any readily available league average of anything else in those minutes, so why would we expect to have just the 3PT percentage average?

[cornchip]

Has there ever been a sport where "fans" are advocating to punish players for being too good?

MLB with pitch clocks, defensive shifts, widening bases, etc. The NFL and defensive coverage. You can even put the NBA in there at various points.

[toooskies]

I’d rather eliminate zone defense again to make help defense harder or introduce a 2.5 point shot at the free throw line than eliminate 3s.

If you fine with idea of shot being worth something that isn't real number, would you rather just make 3 point shot, a 2.5 shot? 3 point shot is arguably too easy to be worth 50% more, but what about 25% more?

Anything that disincentivizes 3s will clog the paint. That’s bad for the game. I’d rather incentivize the midrange.

[Heat3]

Every game should begin with a coin flip. Heads = 3 pointers are allowed. Tails = only 2 point shots!

[knicksfan974]

How about this: 3-pointers count as 3pts only for team that is losing, the team that is in the lead all shots are worth 2pts?