2024-25 NBA MVP Discussion Thread (Pt. 2)

Memories · Post #1381 » by **Memories** » Sun Jan 5, 2025 11:18 pm

What?

Lakers In 5 · Post #1382 » by **Lakers In 5** » Sun Jan 5, 2025 11:18 pm

canada_dry wrote:Another showing in why its been sga> tatum.

Also a reminder that hes the mvp. Not the best player. Its not a best player award. But the mvp nonetheless.

And doing it without chet.

His #2 optiom continues to struggle in big games and big moments...doesn't matter.

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I don’t think that needed any showing to any person on the planet.

Post #1383 » by **Mavrelous** » Sun Jan 5, 2025 11:18 pm

sikma42 wrote:Jokic would legit win 75 games with team and waltz to the title.

It’s not even close. Jokic is just on a different level.

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Last year Denver had KCP and Murray had the best season of his career, and finshed behind the Thunder.
SGA is good, really good, if anything, his supporting cast is overated offensively, he's having am insane carry job.

canada_dry · Post #1384 » by **canada_dry** » Sun Jan 5, 2025 11:19 pm

Wrong post

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Champ1on · Post #1385 » by **Champ1on** » Sun Jan 5, 2025 11:21 pm

MaliBrah wrote:
Infinite Llamas wrote:
MMyhre wrote:He wasn`t just an All Star, he was high All-NBA in the playoffs. The guy is crazy talented, he is also crazy **** stupid and lazy apparently, to start fading athletically in your mid 20`s is just pathetic work ethic, especially when you have the chance to play with a top 10 talent of all time +/- and boost your own legacy sooooooooo far beyond what it would be without Jokic. But hey, go **** some street hoes and use that money and be known as the bum that held Jokic back instead. What a fool.

Murray could have cemented his legacy as the Scottie Pippen to Jokic’ Jordan just by staying in shape for starters and rack up some championships. But it’s true that Murray is too lazy and stupid to figure out just how revered he could have been with just a little extra effort. It’s mind boggling to me how someone could sabotage their own legacy so badly.

you guys think it's easy to tear your ACL and have your calfs zapped by injuries , he's lost his burst

That injury happened before the championship. He tears his ACL then goes on to win a championship playing like a top 10 guard and now he's bottom tear in starters but being paid max money and people are bringing up his past injury as an excuse is weird. It would make more sure if that ACL injury happened after the championship run.

Rdude22 · Post #1386 » by **Rdude22** » Sun Jan 5, 2025 11:22 pm

canada_dry wrote:Another showing in why its been sga> tatum.

Also a reminder that hes the mvp. Not the best player. Its not a best player award. But the mvp nonetheless.

And doing it without chet.

His #2 optiom continues to struggle in big games and big moments...doesn't matter.

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That chase down block on Tatum leading to the Hartestein alley oop lob... that was the nail in the coffin.

And yea, i mentioned it pages ago, numerous players have won mvp despite not conventionally being viewed as the best player. And honestly in SGA's case... he'd be no worse than #3 right now behind Jokic and Giannis, and tbh there's some solid arguments you could make for him over Giannis. So an mvp winner having a strong argument for the 2nd if not for sure 3rd best player in the league is pretty par the course with past winners.

Snake3 · Post #1387 » by **Snake3** » Sun Jan 5, 2025 11:23 pm

MaliBrah wrote:
Snake3 wrote:
MaliBrah wrote:you guys think it's easy to tear your ACL and have your calfs zapped by injuries , he's lost his burst

Yeah, it's a shame man. I thought he was going to take leap and become all-star or an all-nba guard. But he injuries piled up. He may not have the best work ethic and he just can't get consistent play. Right now I believe he said earlier in the season that he was dealing with knee issues.

But when he plays like an all-nba guard, the Nuggets goes to another tier as a team.

The injuries have fried his lower body and his burst man. He used to dunk on guys easy lol. Then in the offseason how do you stay in top shape AND heal those injuries? it's easy for us to criticize from the couch .

This is true. I only hear reports of stuff. Like we didn't know he was dealing with knee issues until he said so.

But there are reports saying that he doesn't come to training camp in shape either. Not just this year, but I think last year too. We don't know how bad it is. Regardless, he hasn't lived up to his potential to me. He's an all-star caliber player that doesn't play like one in the RS. And he is injury prone.

There are still some bad stuff he does on the court that's IQ related. But when it comes to athleticism, it's just a shame that he had all of those injuries that slowed him down. Not too sure of his work ethic outside from the reports.

MaliBrah · Post #1388 » by **MaliBrah** » Sun Jan 5, 2025 11:24 pm

Champ1on wrote:
MaliBrah wrote:
Infinite Llamas wrote:
Murray could have cemented his legacy as the Scottie Pippen to Jokic’ Jordan just by staying in shape for starters and rack up some championships. But it’s true that Murray is too lazy and stupid to figure out just how revered he could have been with just a little extra effort. It’s mind boggling to me how someone could sabotage their own legacy so badly.

you guys think it's easy to tear your ACL and have your calfs zapped by injuries , he's lost his burst

That injury happened before the championship. He tears his ACL then goes on to win a championship playing like a top 10 guard and now he's bottom tear in starters but being paid max money and people are bringing up his past injury as an excuse is weird. It would make more sure if that ACL injury happened after the championship run.

Ahh because that's how the human body works right ? His surgically repaired knee is good the year after surgery but can't lead to complications and issues moving forward? D Wade for example didn't look good in short term and his legs just got zapped as time went on?

lmao

BigGargamel · Post #1389 » by **BigGargamel** » Sun Jan 5, 2025 11:25 pm

Jokic is absolutely the better player, but even I am starting to come to the acceptance that the team record difference may be too great to overcome.

Perhaps if the Denver front office was as serious as OKC's at building a lasting contender, this wouldn't even be a discussion.

One_and_Done · Post #1390 » by **One_and_Done** » Sun Jan 5, 2025 11:29 pm

Yeh, it feels like the momentum is (rightly) shifting to SGA.

CobraCommander · Post #1391 » by **CobraCommander** » Sun Jan 5, 2025 11:40 pm

One_and_Done wrote:Yeh, it feels like the momentum is (rightly) shifting to SGA.

At some point- It feels like it but Jokic just avg 43 and 13.5 and 9.5 over the weekend against Wemby.

But damn 15 in a row? And people were saying SGA wasn’t as as the other top 7 guys because Chet and he team was too good- but at some point SGA and Tatum ARE the reason why their teams are so good and thus they are better guys with slightly better numbers -

I’m not team SGA yet but I’m squarely in team SGA is at worse the 3rd best player on earth - mvp or not- everyone healthy or not… sga is proving to the be the best LEADER in the NBA -

canada_dry · Post #1392 » by **canada_dry** » Sun Jan 5, 2025 11:54 pm

Demagoog wrote:
canada_dry wrote:Another showing in why its been sga> tatum.

Also a reminder that hes the mvp. Not the best player. Its not a best player award. But the mvp nonetheless.

And doing it without chet.

His #2 optiom continues to struggle in big games and big moments...doesn't matter.

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I don’t think that needed any showing to any person on the planet.

I agree. But apparently its been a debate to some people...

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Snake3 · Post #1393 » by **Snake3** » Sun Jan 5, 2025 11:58 pm

BigGargamel wrote:Jokic is absolutely the better player, but even I am starting to come to the acceptance that the team record difference may be too great to overcome.

Perhaps if the Denver front office was as serious as OKC's at building a lasting contender, this wouldn't even be a discussion.

That's what they wanted to do. Instead of getting other guys, Booth wanted to develop from their drafted picks. He wanted to compete for years like the Spurs in the 00s and early 10s.

Although, they could just being cheap too. They also had bad contracts that nobody wants.

One_and_Done · Post #1394 » by **One_and_Done** » Sun Jan 5, 2025 11:59 pm

CobraCommander wrote:
One_and_Done wrote:Yeh, it feels like the momentum is (rightly) shifting to SGA.

At some point- It feels like it but Jokic just avg 43 and 13.5 and 9.5 over the weekend against Wemby.

But damn 15 in a row? And people were saying SGA wasn’t as as the other top 7 guys because Chet and he team was too good- but at some point SGA and Tatum ARE the reason why their teams are so good and thus they are better guys with slightly better numbers -

I’m not team SGA yet but I’m squarely in team SGA is at worse the 3rd best player on earth - mvp or not- everyone healthy or not… sga is proving to the be the best LEADER in the NBA -

Don't put Tatum in the same sentence as SGA like that.

Lakers In 5 · Post #1395 » by **Lakers In 5** » Mon Jan 6, 2025 12:01 am

canada_dry wrote:
Demagoog wrote:
canada_dry wrote:Another showing in why its been sga> tatum.

Also a reminder that hes the mvp. Not the best player. Its not a best player award. But the mvp nonetheless.

And doing it without chet.

His #2 optiom continues to struggle in big games and big moments...doesn't matter.

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I don’t think that needed any showing to any person on the planet.
I agree. But apparently its been a debate to some people...

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There may be some Celtic homers, but even they would have to agree that Tatum is just not that good. He is very good, but not MVP level good. He can hang with anyone for 48 minutes, but do it 82 games in a row and he cannot compete with the likes of Jokic and Gilgeous-Alexander.

OkcSinceSGA · Post #1396 » by **OkcSinceSGA** » Mon Jan 6, 2025 12:04 am

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Post #1397 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Mon Jan 6, 2025 12:06 am

They have to fix the cup thing. It’s weird that OKC lost a game in there but nothing about it actually counted.

sikma42 · Post #1398 » by **sikma42** » Mon Jan 6, 2025 12:20 am

Mavrelous wrote:
sikma42 wrote:Jokic would legit win 75 games with team and waltz to the title.

It’s not even close. Jokic is just on a different level.

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Last year Denver had KCP and Murray had the best season of his career, and finshed behind the Thunder.
SGA is good, really good, if anything, his supporting cast is overated offensively, he's having am insane carry job.

What does even mean? OKCs supporting cast is magnitudes above Denver p. It isn’t even a comparison. Denver is playing guys that are barely NBA players that Jokic makes look serviceable.

SGA is playing with a team with an all time great supporting cast. Honestly don’t even think it makes sense to go down the supporting cast bc it’s not even close. SGA is on a historically great defensive team, with great shooter, role players and another budding star. That’s about as good as it gets. He should be expected to at least make the Finals this year.

At some point you have to factor in team strength. I don’t think SGA has separated himself from Luka and is worse than Jokic. Prob worse than Giannis too. Right now Jokic is playing better than some of the greatest players to ever touch a ball. I don’t think SGA is there..he’s just on an insanely stacked team that makes hides all his weaknesses.

Patches Perry · Post #1399 » by **Patches Perry** » Mon Jan 6, 2025 12:23 am

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:They have to fix the cup thing. It’s weird that OKC lost a game in there but nothing about it actually counted.

It's why me and my boys think touting the 15 game streak is a bit cringe. We know they lost in the middle of there and the game not counting is a technicality.

Although they're up to 10 games now in terms of their real winning streak.

MaliBrah · Post #1400 » by **MaliBrah** » Mon Jan 6, 2025 12:47 am

sikma42 wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:
sikma42 wrote:Jokic would legit win 75 games with team and waltz to the title.

It’s not even close. Jokic is just on a different level.

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Last year Denver had KCP and Murray had the best season of his career, and finshed behind the Thunder.
SGA is good, really good, if anything, his supporting cast is overated offensively, he's having am insane carry job.

What does even mean? OKCs supporting cast is magnitudes above Denver p. It isn’t even a comparison. Denver is playing guys that are barely NBA players that Jokic makes look serviceable.

SGA is playing with a team with an all time great supporting cast. Honestly don’t even think it makes sense to go down the supporting cast bc it’s not even close. SGA is on a historically great defensive team, with great shooter, role players and another budding star. That’s about as good as it gets. He should be expected to at least make the Finals this year.

At some point you have to factor in team strength. I don’t think SGA has separated himself from Luka and is worse than Jokic. Prob worse than Giannis too. Right now Jokic is playing better than some of the greatest players to ever touch a ball. I don’t think SGA is there..he’s just on an insanely stacked team that makes hides all his weaknesses.

This is such nonsense bait lol. Hartenstein was out 1 months , Chet out 2 months , third string C was out for 3 months... 2 weeks with no C on the roster. Caruso has been in and out the team. It hasn't mattered at all. He has a lot of defensive help but he's single handedly lifting that offence. Jokic is the best player in the world but the difference in his and Shai's play is not great enough to overcome a 15-20 win difference. Jokic getting the MVP with 48 wins over Shai again beating him out to wins but this time beating him by that many would be absurd.

I won't even talk about Giannis and Luka comments. Giannis may be better as well but he's not ahead of Shai in this race. As for Luka , Shai has been worlds better this season (just reffering to this season)

Who is leading the MVP race?