KD to Houston w/Butler

[Kiss of Death]

Rockets have the second best record in the Western Conference with a team built around players 23 and under.
They can be competitive for 10+ years just by staying put.

The Clippers traded SGA plus a lot of picks for PG.
How did that work out for them?

Would the Suns be the 12th seed if they still had Bridges, Cam Johnson and Ayton?
AND all of their picks.
AND no apron issues.

Teams need to stop trying to build super teams and be patient.

Durant or Butler coming in and demanding that you trade the rest of the young guys for their buddies? No thanks.

[jredsaz]

Rockets have the second best record in the Western Conference with a team built around players 23 and under.
They can be competitive for 10+ years just by staying put.

The Clippers traded SGA plus a lot of picks for PG.
How did that work out for them?

Would the Suns be the 12th seed if they still had Bridges, Cam Johnson and Ayton?
AND all of their picks.
AND no apron issues.

Teams need to stop trying to build super teams and be patient.

Durant or Butler coming in and demanding that you trade the rest of the young guys for their buddies? No thanks.

I don’t know how you plan to keep your roster together for 10 years in today’s NBA. This trade is no where near a PG level trade. That had five firsts (four unprotected) and two swaps plus SGA. Let’s keep things in perspective. Houston is paying A LOT less in the op.

[Kiss of Death]

Rockets have the second best record in the Western Conference with a team built around players 23 and under.
They can be competitive for 10+ years just by staying put.

The Clippers traded SGA plus a lot of picks for PG.
How did that work out for them?

Would the Suns be the 12th seed if they still had Bridges, Cam Johnson and Ayton?
AND all of their picks.
AND no apron issues.

Teams need to stop trying to build super teams and be patient.

Durant or Butler coming in and demanding that you trade the rest of the young guys for their buddies? No thanks.

I don’t know how you plan to keep your roster together for 10 years in today’s NBA. This trade is no where near a PG level trade. That had five firsts (four unprotected) and two swaps plus SGA. Let’s keep things in perspective. Houston is paying A LOT less in the op.

For a dude who goes from team to team trying to build a super team with his buddies and destroying the team.

Why would the Rockets, in their current position as one of the best young teams with one of the best futures in the NBA, want to become the Suns?

[jredsaz]

Rockets have the second best record in the Western Conference with a team built around players 23 and under.
They can be competitive for 10+ years just by staying put.

The Clippers traded SGA plus a lot of picks for PG.
How did that work out for them?

Would the Suns be the 12th seed if they still had Bridges, Cam Johnson and Ayton?
AND all of their picks.
AND no apron issues.

Teams need to stop trying to build super teams and be patient.

Durant or Butler coming in and demanding that you trade the rest of the young guys for their buddies? No thanks.

I don’t know how you plan to keep your roster together for 10 years in today’s NBA. This trade is no where near a PG level trade. That had five firsts (four unprotected) and two swaps plus SGA. Let’s keep things in perspective. Houston is paying A LOT less in the op.

For a dude who goes from team to team trying to build a super team with his buddies and destroying the team.

Why would the Rockets, in their current position as one of the best young teams with one of the best futures in the NBA, want to become the Suns?

This trade puts Houston no where near the Suns current position like I said keep things in perspective.

As far as your opinion on KD, that’s a personal preference and I get it. Love the player but he needs players with edge around him. Suns don’t have that right now at all. But the value is more than fair imo

[Xman]

Hou gets: kd, nurkic, (tyus if $ works)
Phx gets: Vleet (repackage), Sheppard, (possibly Whitmore). Landale if salary needed.
Picks: up to 2025 swap wiped, 2027&2029 firsts. But, shouldn’t take that much.

Vleet repackage should net something.

KD may not be a match for the team plan but he gives them a chance to win now.

[Xman]

Sengun, KD, Brooks, Amen, Jalen
Backed by:Eason Jabari and veteran depth.

[jredsaz]

Hou gets: kd, nurkic, (tyus if $ works)
Phx gets: Vleet (repackage), Sheppard, (possibly Whitmore). Landale if salary needed.
Picks: up to 2025 swap wiped, 2027&2029 firsts. But, shouldn’t take that much.

Vleet repackage should net something.

KD may not be a match for the team plan but he gives them a chance to win now.

Phoenix can’t combine contracts.

[Xman]

[quote="jredsaz"][quote="Xman"]Hou gets: kd, nurkic, (tyus if $ works)
Phx gets: Vleet (repackage), Sheppard, (possibly Whitmore). Landale if salary needed.
Picks: up to 2025 swap wiped, 2027&2029 firsts. But, shouldn’t take that much.

Vleet repackage should net something.

KD may not be a match for the team plan but he gives them a chance to win now.[/quote]

Phoenix can’t combine contracts.[/quote]

Can be done as separate deals. Kd for Vleet. Sheppard for nurkic. Whitmore is harder even though small amount. And, getting tyus with Vleet leaving makes sense.

[jredsaz]

Hou gets: kd, nurkic, (tyus if $ works)
Phx gets: Vleet (repackage), Sheppard, (possibly Whitmore). Landale if salary needed.
Picks: up to 2025 swap wiped, 2027&2029 firsts. But, shouldn’t take that much.

Vleet repackage should net something.

KD may not be a match for the team plan but he gives them a chance to win now.

Phoenix can’t combine contracts.

Can be done as separate deals. Kd for Vleet. Sheppard for nurkic. Whitmore is harder even though small amount. And, getting tyus with Vleet leaving makes sense.

All that gets significantly more complicated and I’m not sure there is any difference in value.

[Frankie]

Houston is looking for players who align with their core player's timeline.
They are not looking to trade core players for players with one or two decent seasons left.

I’ve never bought that line of thinking. CP3 didn’t align with the Suns core but he helped them to a finals. So much player movement, injuries, the new cap structure, unhappy stars year to year. I think it’s kinda foolish to just throw away opportunities like the next two seasons. If they chose to go more all in for a younger star I get it but they would have to go further into their core and pick stash.

Great post - agreed. The idea a team as a "timeline" and thus every player acquired should be able to be on that team for 5-10 years assumed is not practical, and doesn't make sense to anyone who has followed team building the past 10 years. You just have to get better. So much player movement.

Surprised to hear some thoughts in this thread - I'd be all over this if I was Houston, and if I'm Phoenix or Miami I'd say hell no. No way Houston can get Durant for a struggling Van Fleet, Tari Eason, and 2 1st rounders. Not even close to enough for a legit Top 10/15 player still signed through next season.

KD is 36 man. Giving up a haul for a 36 year old who suffers injuries regularly is a horrible use of resources.

[jredsaz]

I’ve never bought that line of thinking. CP3 didn’t align with the Suns core but he helped them to a finals. So much player movement, injuries, the new cap structure, unhappy stars year to year. I think it’s kinda foolish to just throw away opportunities like the next two seasons. If they chose to go more all in for a younger star I get it but they would have to go further into their core and pick stash.

Great post - agreed. The idea a team as a "timeline" and thus every player acquired should be able to be on that team for 5-10 years assumed is not practical, and doesn't make sense to anyone who has followed team building the past 10 years. You just have to get better. So much player movement.

Surprised to hear some thoughts in this thread - I'd be all over this if I was Houston, and if I'm Phoenix or Miami I'd say hell no. No way Houston can get Durant for a struggling Van Fleet, Tari Eason, and 2 1st rounders. Not even close to enough for a legit Top 10/15 player still signed through next season.

KD is 36 man. Giving up a haul for a 36 year old who suffers injuries regularly is a horrible use of resources.

I wouldn’t call it a haul. And KD is a too 10 guy right now. If the Rockets really want to compete for a title it’s a great use of resources.