Balance the Trade: POR - SAC

[Walton1one]

Interesting. You seemed to conveniently omit the most important factor in your comparison…their performance on the floor.

Huh?

Jones 22g - 1.1ppg 41.7% FG (1.1att) - 44% 3ptFG (.4 att)
Rupert 25g - 3.2ppg 42.6% FG (2.7att) - 29% 3ptFG (1.2att)

I mean, neither can get off the bench.

All I pointed out was that Rupert is younger, bigger and cheaper than Jones.

Right, and all I pointed out was that Jones has been the more impactful player on the floor.

Jones has a higher EPM than Rupert by 1.3
Jones has a higher DARKO than Rupert by 0.3
Jones has a higher LEBRON than Rupert by 1.0
Jones has a higher RAPM than Rupert by 2.3
Jones has a higher VPM than Rupert by 0.1

lol, sure, those stats are SO meaningful in the 5.4min/game he averages....

Like I said already, you keep your guy, POR will keep their guy, no need to include either in this trade. Fun to revisit 2 years from now to see if SAC even picks up his PO

[Walton1one]

This is the thread.

Would be malpractice for sac to include a 1st.
But portland should hang on for an expiring + 2nds.

Last time I checked, it was SAC who desperately needs help (convince Fox to stay), not POR. I don't think they get the luxury of dictating the terms of trades to other teams. If you think (1) protected 1st is too rich for RW3 AND Thybulle, then by all means go spend (2) 1st's AND Devin Carter for Cam Johnson (BRK current asking price) or bring on Kyle Kuzma for a 1st+ and see where that leads you.

Like I said, I think POR will trade RW3, although the POR GM is an idiot and may hold onto him instead, there has been some talk that POR was ALREADY offered a protected 1st for him. Whatever the case, when\IF he is traded we will find out what his value in this current market is. I would wager this is not it.

Lol. Do you hear yourself? Kings are desperate that Fox may leave, so go mortgage the future for a guy whose played 50 games over 3 years and plays the same position as our 2nd best player. laughable.

I mean, you didn't read my post thoroughly? I said they need to do something and everyone knows it. If you think a lotto protected 1st is too much for RW3\Thybulle, fine, but you are likely going to give up at least a 1st for some other player. Good luck...

[JRoy]

Last time I checked, it was SAC who desperately needs help (convince Fox to stay), not POR. I don't think they get the luxury of dictating the terms of trades to other teams. If you think (1) protected 1st is too rich for RW3 AND Thybulle, then by all means go spend (2) 1st's AND Devin Carter for Cam Johnson (BRK current asking price) or bring on Kyle Kuzma for a 1st+ and see where that leads you.

Like I said, I think POR will trade RW3, although the POR GM is an idiot and may hold onto him instead, there has been some talk that POR was ALREADY offered a protected 1st for him. Whatever the case, when\IF he is traded we will find out what his value in this current market is. I would wager this is not it.

Lol. Do you hear yourself? Kings are desperate that Fox may leave, so go mortgage the future for a guy whose played 50 games over 3 years and plays the same position as our 2nd best player. laughable.

I mean, you didn't read my post thoroughly? I said they need to do something and everyone knows it. If you think a lotto protected 1st is too much for RW3\Thybulle, fine, but you are likely going to give up at least a 1st for some other player. Good luck...

Interesting to see what SAC and for what cost.

Dumping DDR for whatever they can get seems like a good idea to me but what do I know.

[OxAndFox]

Huh?

Jones 22g - 1.1ppg 41.7% FG (1.1att) - 44% 3ptFG (.4 att)
Rupert 25g - 3.2ppg 42.6% FG (2.7att) - 29% 3ptFG (1.2att)

I mean, neither can get off the bench.

All I pointed out was that Rupert is younger, bigger and cheaper than Jones.

Right, and all I pointed out was that Jones has been the more impactful player on the floor.

Jones has a higher EPM than Rupert by 1.3
Jones has a higher DARKO than Rupert by 0.3
Jones has a higher LEBRON than Rupert by 1.0
Jones has a higher RAPM than Rupert by 2.3
Jones has a higher VPM than Rupert by 0.1

lol, sure, those stats are SO meaningful in the 5.4min/game he averages....

Like I said already, you keep your guy, POR will keep their guy, no need to include either in this trade. Fun to revisit 2 years from now to see if SAC even picks up his PO

I don't see the need for them in here too.
FWIW neither of these guys are going to get a 2nd contract. I like Rupert more due to age, length etc, but the likelihood of him becoming a player is still quite low. IMO Colby will round out to be a decent swiss army knife that isn't great at anything but decent enough at everything. With Rupert I can see him becoming a smaller/lite/modern version of Batum.

[bpcox05]

Huh?

Jones 22g - 1.1ppg 41.7% FG (1.1att) - 44% 3ptFG (.4 att)
Rupert 25g - 3.2ppg 42.6% FG (2.7att) - 29% 3ptFG (1.2att)

I mean, neither can get off the bench.

All I pointed out was that Rupert is younger, bigger and cheaper than Jones.

Right, and all I pointed out was that Jones has been the more impactful player on the floor.

Jones has a higher EPM than Rupert by 1.3
Jones has a higher DARKO than Rupert by 0.3
Jones has a higher LEBRON than Rupert by 1.0
Jones has a higher RAPM than Rupert by 2.3
Jones has a higher VPM than Rupert by 0.1

lol, sure, those stats are SO meaningful in the 5.4min/game he averages....

Like I said already, you keep your guy, POR will keep their guy, no need to include either in this trade. Fun to revisit 2 years from now to see if SAC even picks up his PO

I guess it’s convenient to dismiss so many advanced impact stats that suggest one player is better than the other since it doesn’t really help your point… Would you at least concede that you’d prefer to be better in these stats than not?

As for the trade, I’m not opposed to SAC removing Jones and POR removing Rupert from the framework of the deal (especially since SAC’s prospect has been more impactful on the floor thus far). What I took exception with was Jroy referring to Jones as “fodder” but Rupert as “not a throw in.”

[OxAndFox]

Lol. Do you hear yourself? Kings are desperate that Fox may leave, so go mortgage the future for a guy whose played 50 games over 3 years and plays the same position as our 2nd best player. laughable.

I mean, you didn't read my post thoroughly? I said they need to do something and everyone knows it. If you think a lotto protected 1st is too much for RW3\Thybulle, fine, but you are likely going to give up at least a 1st for some other player. Good luck...

Interesting to see what SAC and for what cost.

Dumping DDR for whatever they can get seems like a good idea to me but what do I know.

The problem I see with RW3 is, can he a) stay on the court and b) can he give you more than 20mpg? I don't think anyone can say yes to either one of these questions. So why isn't he considered a bad contract? Yes he is an impactful player when on the court, it's just that he can't stay on there, and its not for long either.

Thybulle is who he is. That is also a bad contract no matter which way you slice it. When you can't get off the bench for a bottom team it's not good. And it's not due to "tanking" otherwise the other vets wouldn't be playing either. At this point in time he isn't opting out of that contract.

I can't see a world in where either one of these guys brings back anything remotely like a 1st. Hope Portland gets it, but I highly doubt it.

[JRoy]

I mean, you didn't read my post thoroughly? I said they need to do something and everyone knows it. If you think a lotto protected 1st is too much for RW3\Thybulle, fine, but you are likely going to give up at least a 1st for some other player. Good luck...

Interesting to see what SAC and for what cost.

Dumping DDR for whatever they can get seems like a good idea to me but what do I know.

The problem I see with RW3 is, can he a) stay on the court and b) can he give you more than 20mpg? I don't think anyone can say yes to either one of these questions. So why isn't he considered a bad contract? Yes he is an impactful player when on the court, it's just that he can't stay on there, and its not for long either.

Thybulle is who he is. That is also a bad contract no matter which way you slice it. When you can't get off the bench for a bottom team it's not good. And it's not due to "tanking" otherwise the other vets wouldn't be playing either. At this point in time he isn't opting out of that contract.

I can't see a world in where either one of these guys brings back anything remotely like a 1st. Hope Portland gets it, but I highly doubt it.

Thybulle has been hurt pretty much all year.

RW3 has been effective when he plays and Thybulle has been all defense twice I think.

What has Huerter been? All ginger team?

[OxAndFox]

Interesting to see what SAC and for what cost.

Dumping DDR for whatever they can get seems like a good idea to me but what do I know.

The problem I see with RW3 is, can he a) stay on the court and b) can he give you more than 20mpg? I don't think anyone can say yes to either one of these questions. So why isn't he considered a bad contract? Yes he is an impactful player when on the court, it's just that he can't stay on there, and its not for long either.

Thybulle is who he is. That is also a bad contract no matter which way you slice it. When you can't get off the bench for a bottom team it's not good. And it's not due to "tanking" otherwise the other vets wouldn't be playing either. At this point in time he isn't opting out of that contract.

I can't see a world in where either one of these guys brings back anything remotely like a 1st. Hope Portland gets it, but I highly doubt it.

Thybulle has been hurt pretty much all year.

RW3 has been effective when he plays and Thybulle has been all defense twice I think.

What has Huerter been? All ginger team?

Yes he has been. Actually I think he may have the most 1st team All Ginger appearances. And been the starting 2 guard on the #1 rated offense in NBA history, at that time, scoring 15ppg on 40% from deep. Outlier year? Probably. Difference is I'm not suggesting Huerter is worth a 1st right now. He's not. Can he turn it around? Maybe. More than likely he will, but probably not on this Sacramento team unfortunately.

[JRoy]

The problem I see with RW3 is, can he a) stay on the court and b) can he give you more than 20mpg? I don't think anyone can say yes to either one of these questions. So why isn't he considered a bad contract? Yes he is an impactful player when on the court, it's just that he can't stay on there, and its not for long either.

Thybulle is who he is. That is also a bad contract no matter which way you slice it. When you can't get off the bench for a bottom team it's not good. And it's not due to "tanking" otherwise the other vets wouldn't be playing either. At this point in time he isn't opting out of that contract.

I can't see a world in where either one of these guys brings back anything remotely like a 1st. Hope Portland gets it, but I highly doubt it.

Thybulle has been hurt pretty much all year.

RW3 has been effective when he plays and Thybulle has been all defense twice I think.

What has Huerter been? All ginger team?

Yes he has been. Actually I think he may have the most 1st team All Ginger appearances. And been the starting 2 guard on the #1 rated offense in NBA history, at that time, scoring 15ppg on 40% from deep. Outlier year? Probably. Difference is I'm not suggesting Huerter is worth a 1st right now. He's not. Can he turn it around? Maybe. More than likely he will, but probably not on this Sacramento team unfortunately.

He might turn it around elsewhere.

The difference is also that SAC has to make a move and POR doesn’t. We should, several moves really. But we could just let guys like Ayton and Simons expire.

[Jkam31]

This is the thread.

Would be malpractice for sac to include a 1st.
But portland should hang on for an expiring + 2nds.

Last time I checked, it was SAC who desperately needs help (convince Fox to stay), not POR. I don't think they get the luxury of dictating the terms of trades to other teams. If you think (1) protected 1st is too rich for RW3 AND Thybulle, then by all means go spend (2) 1st's AND Devin Carter for Cam Johnson (BRK current asking price) or bring on Kyle Kuzma for a 1st+ and see where that leads you.

Like I said, I think POR will trade RW3, although the POR GM is an idiot and may hold onto him instead, there has been some talk that POR was ALREADY offered a protected 1st for him. Whatever the case, when\IF he is traded we will find out what his value in this current market is. I would wager this is not it.

Lol. Do you hear yourself? Kings are desperate that Fox may leave, so go mortgage the future for a guy whose played 50 games over 3 years and plays the same position as our 2nd best player. laughable.

Even if he plays and hits his absolute ceiling he won’t start

[OxAndFox]

Thybulle has been hurt pretty much all year.

RW3 has been effective when he plays and Thybulle has been all defense twice I think.

What has Huerter been? All ginger team?

Yes he has been. Actually I think he may have the most 1st team All Ginger appearances. And been the starting 2 guard on the #1 rated offense in NBA history, at that time, scoring 15ppg on 40% from deep. Outlier year? Probably. Difference is I'm not suggesting Huerter is worth a 1st right now. He's not. Can he turn it around? Maybe. More than likely he will, but probably not on this Sacramento team unfortunately.

He might turn it around elsewhere.

The difference is also that SAC has to make a move and POR doesn’t. We should, several moves really. But we could just let guys like Ayton and Simons expire.

This is true. Well, Sacramento doesn't have to make a move TBH. It's more likely they will though I agree. Huerter is expiring next season and DDR is basically an expiring as well next year. I think they may just hold off until then and see what is available, but so will almost all other teams too so it will be a competitive off season. That is where Portland is in a good position I believe, having that much expiring money next season and IMO that is the year where the 2nd apron will really start to take effect on teams so they may just cash in.

[JRoy]

Last time I checked, it was SAC who desperately needs help (convince Fox to stay), not POR. I don't think they get the luxury of dictating the terms of trades to other teams. If you think (1) protected 1st is too rich for RW3 AND Thybulle, then by all means go spend (2) 1st's AND Devin Carter for Cam Johnson (BRK current asking price) or bring on Kyle Kuzma for a 1st+ and see where that leads you.

Like I said, I think POR will trade RW3, although the POR GM is an idiot and may hold onto him instead, there has been some talk that POR was ALREADY offered a protected 1st for him. Whatever the case, when\IF he is traded we will find out what his value in this current market is. I would wager this is not it.

Lol. Do you hear yourself? Kings are desperate that Fox may leave, so go mortgage the future for a guy whose played 50 games over 3 years and plays the same position as our 2nd best player. laughable.

Even if he plays and hits his absolute ceiling he won’t start

Honestly, whom do you think SAC can get for that offer?

[LightTheBeam]

Last time I checked, it was SAC who desperately needs help (convince Fox to stay), not POR. I don't think they get the luxury of dictating the terms of trades to other teams. If you think (1) protected 1st is too rich for RW3 AND Thybulle, then by all means go spend (2) 1st's AND Devin Carter for Cam Johnson (BRK current asking price) or bring on Kyle Kuzma for a 1st+ and see where that leads you.

Like I said, I think POR will trade RW3, although the POR GM is an idiot and may hold onto him instead, there has been some talk that POR was ALREADY offered a protected 1st for him. Whatever the case, when\IF he is traded we will find out what his value in this current market is. I would wager this is not it.

Lol. Do you hear yourself? Kings are desperate that Fox may leave, so go mortgage the future for a guy whose played 50 games over 3 years and plays the same position as our 2nd best player. laughable.

I mean, you didn't read my post thoroughly? I said they need to do something and everyone knows it. If you think a lotto protected 1st is too much for RW3\Thybulle, fine, but you are likely going to give up at least a 1st for some other player. Good luck...

Ya no issue with that. But these players aren't close to worth a 1st of any kind. I have no issue trading 1sts, just not for bad/injured bench players

[LightTheBeam]

Lol. Do you hear yourself? Kings are desperate that Fox may leave, so go mortgage the future for a guy whose played 50 games over 3 years and plays the same position as our 2nd best player. laughable.

I mean, you didn't read my post thoroughly? I said they need to do something and everyone knows it. If you think a lotto protected 1st is too much for RW3\Thybulle, fine, but you are likely going to give up at least a 1st for some other player. Good luck...

Interesting to see what SAC and for what cost.

Dumping DDR for whatever they can get seems like a good idea to me but what do I know.

Demar has been fine. He was getting unnecessary blame. Is he the perfect fit no? What we really need is a backup big. But moving Huerter now that Carter is back should fix the balance. Also Lyles finally getting healthy has been huge for us

[LightTheBeam]

Lol. Do you hear yourself? Kings are desperate that Fox may leave, so go mortgage the future for a guy whose played 50 games over 3 years and plays the same position as our 2nd best player. laughable.

Even if he plays and hits his absolute ceiling he won’t start

Honestly, whom do you think SAC can get for that offer?

I prefer john collins as the target.

Colby, len, huerter. Either a protected 1st or 2nds. He fixes a lot of our size issues.

[JRoy]

Even if he plays and hits his absolute ceiling he won’t start

Honestly, whom do you think SAC can get for that offer?

I prefer john collins as the target.

Colby, len, huerter. Either a protected 1st or 2nds. He fixes a lot of our size issues.

You might be able to get him for that.

[bpcox05]

Even if he plays and hits his absolute ceiling he won’t start

Honestly, whom do you think SAC can get for that offer?

I prefer john collins as the target.

Colby, len, huerter. Either a protected 1st or 2nds. He fixes a lot of our size issues.

That trade isn’t legal (Huerter/Jones/Len for Collins).

You’d have to add one more minimum contract (but how realistic is it to do a 4 for 1 trade mid season?) or you simplify it to Huerter/Lyles (which you are obviously trying to avoid as we’d prefer to keep Lyles if possible).

Logistically, Collins may not be a good target considering the contracts needed to make it work.

[LightTheBeam]

Honestly, whom do you think SAC can get for that offer?

I prefer john collins as the target.

Colby, len, huerter. Either a protected 1st or 2nds. He fixes a lot of our size issues.

That trade isn’t legal (Huerter/Jones/Len for Collins).

You’d have to add one more minimum contract (but how realistic is it to do a 4 for 1 trade mid season?) or you simplify it to Huerter/Lyles (which you are obviously trying to avoid as we’d prefer to keep Lyles if possible).

Logistically, Collins may not be a good target considering the contracts needed to make it work.

I don't think it's that difficult. Fanspo has it as legal, but assuming it's not.

Add in orlando brown. Find a team with some cap space, send them one or two of these guys + cash considerations.

Teams deal with this all the time.

[OGSactownballer]

Im not giving a 1st in any circumstance for Thybulle and Rob Williams. I get the idea, a defensive wing and a defensive rim protecting big. But rob can't stay healthy and thybulles offense is so horrible he can't play.

All of this.

Time lord is a career injury issue and almost never plays. Thybulle is a specialist and we don’t have the single player that can make him playable.

No chance and adding a PICK?!?!?!

[JRoy]

Im not giving a 1st in any circumstance for Thybulle and Rob Williams. I get the idea, a defensive wing and a defensive rim protecting big. But rob can't stay healthy and thybulles offense is so horrible he can't play.

All of this.

Time lord is a career injury issue and almost never plays. Thybulle is a specialist and we don’t have the single player that can make him playable.

No chance and adding a PICK?!?!?!

RW is also easily the best player is trade featuring scrubs and a shooter who once was able to shoot and do nothing else and now can’t even do that.