Mavs shouldn't trade for Jimmy Butler, right?

[realEAST]

Yeah, Klay is going to be the problem here because it's going to cost a 1st to move him to a third team.

I think it shouldn't be that much of a problem to move him for worse expiring, he has been decent and healthy so far this year and his contract is not that big, he actualy took less money to go to Dallas than he could have gotten elsewhere (Detroit for THJ I think works, worst case PJ Tucker, if it is all about expiring money).

[jbk1234]

Yeah, Klay is going to be the problem here because it's going to cost a 1st to move him to a third team.

I think it shouldn't be that much of a problem to move him for worse expiring, he has been decent and healthy so far this year and his contract is not that big, he actualy took less money to go to Dallas than he could have gotten elsewhere (Detroit for THJ I think works, worst case PJ Tucker, if it is all about expiring money).

Maybe the Clippers do it, as Tucker is giving them nothing, but that third year is a problem. I don't see the Pistons touching that swap without incentive.

[realEAST]

Yeah. Kyrie is a much better comparison.

I still don’t think Dallas is a realistic destination because I don’t believe the new ownership group is willing to live over the 2nd apron for 3+ years.

But if Luka and Kai like the idea and the ownership is open to extending Butler (and paying Kyrie) you do this deal.

With this trade, Dallas breaks even to a cent I think, so some late night math on my part, but next year Dallas cap situation would be

175.5 mil $

with Luka, Lively, Marshal, Highsmith, N. Richards, K. Johnson, Hardy, Omax Prosper under contract along Irving player option at 44 milion and Jimmy at 49 milion (10 players) and Grimes unsigned.

That leaves them 33 milion below the 2nd apron and if Irving and Butler get new contracts starting at 54 milion, it leaves them 17 milion - maybe Irving and Jimmy take 1.5 mil less, so it is round 20.

Grimes could get some 13 - 15 milion (he is RFA, which makes it easier for Mavs to keep it lower), which leaves Dallas with 11 signed players.

If they are left with some 7 milion under the apron, it should be enough room to add three players on min deal (something like a veteran minimum, along two converted two way guys / undrafted players) to reach mandatory 14 players.

It is tight and maybe getting Irving and Jimmy to forgo 1.5 mil starting salary is a long shot (although, I think it could be done), but there might be a way to stay below 2nd apron for at least one season.

As I said, late night math, so I might have missed something, but it could be doable.

Usually new owners want to make a profit when they've just bought the team, that is true.

But with this team being a contender (hopefully) and them looking to endear themself in order to get that alleged casino complex off the ground, who knows

[nykballa2k4]

I don't hate it, but out of respect, I'd instantly flip Klay for expiring deals and an asset

Ultimate troll move would be to trade him back to GS. He wasn't traded from them so legally.. this can happen

I know any Butler trade is going to be big, but a lot of the ancillary pieces I feel confused by their inclusion.


FWIW, I can't think of a worse personality fit for butler than Dallas. I know it's on his preferred list, but Luka is SO ball dominant, and Kyrie loves to dance with the ball. The idea that Butler wants offense built around him (what he said, even if it was a lie) is completely counter to that. Plus Kyrie is known for putting his own motivations over the team and Luka is known for not honing in on his fitness. Butler has a tendency to bully his best teammates who are not as invested as he is.

[jayjaysee]

I don't hate it, but out of respect, I'd instantly flip Klay for expiring deals and an asset

Ultimate troll move would be to trade him back to GS. He wasn't traded from them so legally.. this can happen

I know any Butler trade is going to be big, but a lot of the ancillary pieces I feel confused by their inclusion.


FWIW, I can't think of a worse personality fit for butler than Dallas. I know it's on his preferred list, but Luka is SO ball dominant, and Kyrie loves to dance with the ball. The idea that Butler wants offense built around him (what he said, even if it was a lie) is completely counter to that. Plus Kyrie is known for putting his own motivations over the team and Luka is known for not honing in on his fitness. Butler has a tendency to bully his best teammates who are not as invested as he is.

No idea of it legal or not.

But Klay was part of a really ugly sign and trade that let Dallas lay him more, let GSW bring in some some bodies at prices they couldn’t without it.

[Apz]

I don't hate it, but out of respect, I'd instantly flip Klay for expiring deals and an asset

Ultimate troll move would be to trade him back to GS. He wasn't traded from them so legally.. this can happen

I know any Butler trade is going to be big, but a lot of the ancillary pieces I feel confused by their inclusion.


FWIW, I can't think of a worse personality fit for butler than Dallas. I know it's on his preferred list, but Luka is SO ball dominant, and Kyrie loves to dance with the ball. The idea that Butler wants offense built around him (what he said, even if it was a lie) is completely counter to that. Plus Kyrie is known for putting his own motivations over the team and Luka is known for not honing in on his fitness. Butler has a tendency to bully his best teammates who are not as invested as he is.

See it more like mavs is a team with chill and good vibes. Its basicly the anti-butler team. And mavs finally built a roster thst fits aroind öuka and kai. If they dismember that to trade for butler it will tale 2 more years to rebuild that. By that time butler is 38 and considering the way its going, most likely a 50m dead salary contract.

And in no way is irving closer comparison then klay. Irving were 29 and were still on top of his game, klay and butler is older and falling off. Snd never get held hostage. If a snt for 15m/ were possible mavs might have gone for it. Msvs cant bet lukas future on someone like butler

[nykballa2k4]

To your first point - I think we agree 100%. It's a mix of oil and water.

To your second point - I don't think either player is a great comp because as you are saying Kyrie was in his prime with prime years remaining. Butler is enigmatic, but not washed. Klay was straight up not Klay for whatever reason.

The counter argument, i suppose, could be Butler would be like Kidd on his 2nd stint with the Mavs. Just too bad you don't have Keith Van Horn's bird rights to sign and trade him again

[nykballa2k4]

I don't hate it, but out of respect, I'd instantly flip Klay for expiring deals and an asset

Ultimate troll move would be to trade him back to GS. He wasn't traded from them so legally.. this can happen

I know any Butler trade is going to be big, but a lot of the ancillary pieces I feel confused by their inclusion.


FWIW, I can't think of a worse personality fit for butler than Dallas. I know it's on his preferred list, but Luka is SO ball dominant, and Kyrie loves to dance with the ball. The idea that Butler wants offense built around him (what he said, even if it was a lie) is completely counter to that. Plus Kyrie is known for putting his own motivations over the team and Luka is known for not honing in on his fitness. Butler has a tendency to bully his best teammates who are not as invested as he is.

No idea of it legal or not.

But Klay was part of a really ugly sign and trade that let Dallas lay him more, let GSW bring in some some bodies at prices they couldn’t without it.

ahh, so he WAS traded. okay, then there goes that fun.