2024-25 General Thread

[OxAndFox]

Some stats from the last 5 games vs the rest of the season. Small sample size and much is still the same, but there are a couple of things. Pace, passing and opponent 3pt shooting. These are the ones to watch moving forward IMO. If Doug can continue getting them to make improvements then good results will come.
Sorry about the format. I was just playing around but thought I would post.

MIKE BROWN
PPG - 114.7 (10th)
OPP PPG - 113.6 (17th)
FGA - 89.2 (14th)
OPP FGA - 87.8 (10th)
3PA = 35.0 (24th)
OPP 3PA - 39.0 (24th)
FTA - 22.4 (12th)
OPP FTA - 22.3 (19th)
RPG - 43.6 (17th)
OPP RPG - 43.1 (7th)
APG - 25.5 (16th)
OPP APG - 26.0 (14th)
TO - 13.4 (5th)
OPP TO - 15.0 (14th)
PF - 20.0 (21th)
OPP PF - 19.1 (17th)
OFFRTG = 114.4 (8th)
DEFRTG - 112.9 (16th)
NET 1.6 (13th)
Pace 99.43 (17th)

Opponent Shooting Closest Defender For 3s
6+ Feet - 18.2 9th (40.2% - 24th)
4-6 Feet - 16.4 28th (35.0% - 19th)
2-4 Feet - 4.3 25th (35.3% - 27th)

Hustle
Deflections - 16.7 (14th)
Loose Balls Recovered - 4.3 (20)
Contested Shots - 38.4 (16th)

Play Type
Drives - 47.2 (14th)
Drive Pts - 28.3 (8th)
Passes Made - 290.5 (12th)
Ast Pts Created - 66.7 (16th)
Paint Touches - 22.6 (14th)
EFG% - 54.3 (12th)

DOUG CHRISTIE ERA
PPG - 122.4 (4th)
OPP PPG -114.2 (17th)
FGA 93.6 (5th)
OPP FGA - 81.4 (3rd)
3PA 38.6 (12th)
OPP 3PA - 33.8 (4th)
FTA 20.6 (15th)
OPP FTA - 26.0 (29th)
RPG - 44.4 (13th)
OPP RPG - 37.8 (1st)
APG 30.0 (4th)
OPP APG - 25.4 (9th)
TO 13.8 (14th)
OPP TO - 17.4 (5th)
PF 21.0 (29th)
OPP PF - 19.2 (23th)
OFFRTG 121.2 (4th)
DEFRTG 112.4 (11th)
NET 8.8 (5th)
Pace 101.3 (9th)

Opponent Shooting Closest Defender For 3s
6+ Feet - 17.5 12th (45.7% 29th)
4-6 Feet - 11.5 2nd (45.7% 29th)
2-4 Feet - 4.5 20th (27.8% 12th)

Hustle
Deflections - 16.8 (11th)
Loose Balls Recovered - 4.0 (10th)
Contested Shots - 39.6 (17th)

Play Type
Drives - 50.0 (8th)
Drive Pts - 28.5 (11th)
Passes Made - 305.3 (6th)
Ast Pts Created - 75.0 (10th)
Paint Touches - 25.0 (6th)
EFG% - 54.5 (17th)

[chetosco]

When Ellis is not doing defense or shooting a 3-pointer, he literally doesn't know what to do with the ball.

Fox and Murray should go. If the trade could land McDaniels and Reid, it would look so promising:

Sabonis - Monk - Derozan - McDaniels - Carter/Reid
Reid/Carter - Huerter - Ellis - Lyles - Len

What are you trying to say here? Fox/Keegan for McDaniels/Reid? That's ridiculously poor for the Kings.

My point is that McDaniels for Keegan is a crucial improvement. And Fox for the best 6th man? With all due admiration, Fox has been pulling the blanket onto himself. He is a wonderful assister, but he prefers not to assist. He has a great jump, but so few rebounds. He likes to break the team's pace. He alone has cost too many games. I agree that while such a trade may be a downgrade in terms of personal capabilities, it can be an upgrade in terms of the team spirit. And if they manage to bargain someone else in the deal, that would only be even better.

[OxAndFox]

When Ellis is not doing defense or shooting a 3-pointer, he literally doesn't know what to do with the ball.

Fox and Murray should go. If the trade could land McDaniels and Reid, it would look so promising:

Sabonis - Monk - Derozan - McDaniels - Carter/Reid
Reid/Carter - Huerter - Ellis - Lyles - Len

What are you trying to say here? Fox/Keegan for McDaniels/Reid? That's ridiculously poor for the Kings.

My point is that McDaniels for Keegan is a crucial improvement. And Fox for the best 6th man? With all due admiration, Fox has been pulling the blanket onto himself. He is a wonderful assister, but he prefers not to assist. He has a great jump, but so few rebounds. He likes to break the team's pace. He alone has cost too many games. I agree that while such a trade may be a downgrade in terms of personal capabilities, it can be an upgrade in terms of the team spirit. And if they manage to bargain someone else in the deal, that would only be even better.

I mean, just look at it though, you want to trade a top 15-20 player in the NBA and Keegan, who has become one of the better wing defenders in the game for McDaniels, who is also a terrific wing defender, and Naz?
When you put contracts/age into it, Keegan has more value than Naz.

Naz will be an UFA in the off season so he can, and probably will, just walk. So essentially you have traded Fox/Keegan for McDaniels. Sacramento fans would build a statue of Monte McNair just so they can tear it down and burn it. A trade like that would never go through because if Monte actually walked into Vivek's office and mentioned this he would fire him on the spot.

[OGSactownballer]

Some stats from the last 5 games vs the rest of the season. Small sample size and much is still the same, but there are a couple of things. Pace, passing and opponent 3pt shooting. These are the ones to watch moving forward IMO. If Doug can continue getting them to make improvements then good results will come.
Sorry about the format. I was just playing around but thought I would post.

MIKE BROWN
PPG - 114.7 (10th)
OPP PPG - 113.6 (17th)
FGA - 89.2 (14th)
OPP FGA - 87.8 (10th)
3PA = 35.0 (24th)
OPP 3PA - 39.0 (24th)
FTA - 22.4 (12th)
OPP FTA - 22.3 (19th)
RPG - 43.6 (17th)
OPP RPG - 43.1 (7th)
APG - 25.5 (16th)
OPP APG - 26.0 (14th)
TO - 13.4 (5th)
OPP TO - 15.0 (14th)
PF - 20.0 (21th)
OPP PF - 19.1 (17th)
OFFRTG = 114.4 (8th)
DEFRTG - 112.9 (16th)
NET 1.6 (13th)
Pace 99.43 (17th)

Opponent Shooting Closest Defender For 3s
6+ Feet - 18.2 9th (40.2% - 24th)
4-6 Feet - 16.4 28th (35.0% - 19th)
2-4 Feet - 4.3 25th (35.3% - 27th)

Hustle
Deflections - 16.7 (14th)
Loose Balls Recovered - 4.3 (20)
Contested Shots - 38.4 (16th)

Play Type
Drives - 47.2 (14th)
Drive Pts - 28.3 (8th)
Passes Made - 290.5 (12th)
Ast Pts Created - 66.7 (16th)
Paint Touches - 22.6 (14th)
EFG% - 54.3 (12th)

DOUG CHRISTIE ERA
PPG - 122.4 (4th)
OPP PPG -114.2 (17th)
FGA 93.6 (5th)
OPP FGA - 81.4 (3rd)
3PA 38.6 (12th)
OPP 3PA - 33.8 (4th)
FTA 20.6 (15th)
OPP FTA - 26.0 (29th)
RPG - 44.4 (13th)
OPP RPG - 37.8 (1st)
APG 30.0 (4th)
OPP APG - 25.4 (9th)
TO 13.8 (14th)
OPP TO - 17.4 (5th)
PF 21.0 (29th)
OPP PF - 19.2 (23th)
OFFRTG 121.2 (4th)
DEFRTG 112.4 (11th)
NET 8.8 (5th)
Pace 101.3 (9th)

Opponent Shooting Closest Defender For 3s
6+ Feet - 17.5 12th (45.7% 29th)
4-6 Feet - 11.5 2nd (45.7% 29th)
2-4 Feet - 4.5 20th (27.8% 12th)

Hustle
Deflections - 16.8 (11th)
Loose Balls Recovered - 4.0 (10th)
Contested Shots - 39.6 (17th)

Play Type
Drives - 50.0 (8th)
Drive Pts - 28.5 (11th)
Passes Made - 305.3 (6th)
Ast Pts Created - 75.0 (10th)
Paint Touches - 25.0 (6th)
EFG% - 54.5 (17th)

This just screams to me that Doug is emphasizing more aggressive extended floor and perimeter defense - which of course jump starts your offense.

This comes as zero surprise as it is an exactly how Doug played All NBA caliber defense as a player.

It is also how the Dubs played their championship level defense during their prime run of contention.

[LightTheBeam]

So glad Mike is gone and Keon has been unleashed. Need him to stay starting

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[LightTheBeam]

Random thought of the day -

Kings have done a hell of a lot better with undrafted guys than 2nd rounders lately.
Keon Ellis
Isaac Jones
Isaiah Crawford

When is the last time we had a 2nd rounder even show as much promise as Jones? Just a list of busts or guys we didn't develop
Slawson
Queta
Ramsey
Justin James
Frank Mason
Colby Jones
Woodard

Meanwhile all the early 2nds we have traded have panned out into semi-solid role players for other teams-
Trent Jr
Tillman
Kenyon Martin Jr
Hardy
And even Queta who we didn't develop is having success in Boston.

Hopefully something has changed recently in our development of these guys. Most good teams have done well developing these guys somewhat consistently to supplement the high payrolls.

[OxAndFox]

First 10 games under Doug. 10-2 record. Equal 2nd in NBA for this period.
Offensive rating - Tied 5th 118.9
Defensive Rating - 14th 112.7
Ast/To - 2nd 2.37
Reb % - 2nd 53
TOV % - 3rd 12.2
Efg% - 16th 54.5
TS% - 14th 57.9
Pace - 8th 100.75
Possessions - 4th 1026* overtime games impact this stat as its from the last 10 games for every team.

He is definitely playing the best players. I think at this point its a good tactic to practise less and get recovery while playing these guys loads of minutes. As you can see above, and below, there is a lot of room for improvement too.

Fox - 37.4mpg
26.4/5.7/6.1
48.3/31.3/82.1

DDR - 36.6mpg
23.4/3.6/4.0
48.1/36.1/90.77

Sabonis - 36.5mpg
18.9/15.7/7.2
59.2/65.2/69.0

Monk - 35.9mpg
22.2/4.3/7.7
43.5/30.6/92.7

Keegan - 35.4mpg
12.0/6.4/1.1
44.4/41.5/66.7

Keon - 26.2mpg
10.6/3.0/1.4
47.9/46.9/88.2

Lyles - 22.3mpg
8.4/6.2/1.3
41.4/32.7/83.3

Huerter - 16.8mpg
6.3/1.9/1.5
40.3/29.7/100

[BoogieTime]

So, since its not a trade post necessarily and its about an extended period I will talk about Fox's injury here. There are Kings reporters like Matt George trying to make Fox into a hero for fighting through injury and excusing his play, so I will give some 2 cents

I can try to be a bit sympathetic but a few points here..

First, Domas was out here with a busted hand balling, and gets the crap kicked out of him. A lot of NBA players have ailments, and they still don't play like dogs during that time period... so its justifiable to say his game should be a little off, but not to the lows he demonstrates (this and last year with whatever was going on with his shoulder). The bottom line is you can think of a lot of nba stars having injuries, and they would find some way to still have a positive presence

Apparently, some speculate he's out here not sitting (if his injury even should require him to sit, its speculation - he says he's mostly fine) due to wanting the Supermax... In addition to me squirming about the notion (Vivek is a fan apparently, so who knows if the org would actually give it), I've detailed how unlikely I think the notion is he would make all-nba, particularly after this stretch.. and I don't like the motive, if indeed true, that he wants to hit a certain amount of games for $ if healing would help (but thats speculation)

The scoreboard though, meaning the total contribution to the team, is now two seasons in a row of sub average ts % volume scoring without other notable facets of the game besides rebounding well for a pg/sg (playmaking/D/spacing/leadership) , which we would have to question if that deserves any big pay day. If it was due to shoulder last year and hand this year (being kind, and not noting it to innate inconsistency), then you still have to worry about his body and how these injuries affect him

[OGSactownballer]

So, since its not a trade post necessarily and its about an extended period I will talk about Fox's injury here. There are Kings reporters like Matt George trying to make Fox into a hero for fighting through injury and excusing his play, so I will give some 2 cents

I can try to be a bit sympathetic but a few points here..

First, Domas was out here with a busted hand balling, and gets the crap kicked out of him. A lot of NBA players have ailments, and they still don't play like dogs during that time period... so its justifiable to say his game should be a little off, but not to the lows he demonstrates (this and last year with whatever was going on with his shoulder). The bottom line is you can think of a lot of nba stars having injuries, and they would find some way to still have a positive presence

Apparently, some speculate he's out here not sitting (if his injury even should require him to sit, its speculation - he says he's mostly fine) due to wanting the Supermax... In addition to me squirming about the notion (Vivek is a fan apparently, so who knows if the org would actually give it), I've detailed how unlikely I think the notion is he would make all-nba, particularly after this stretch.. and I don't like the motive, if indeed true, that he wants to hit a certain amount of games for $ if healing would help (but thats speculation)

The scoreboard though, meaning the total contribution to the team, is now two seasons in a row of sub average ts % volume scoring without other notable facets of the game besides rebounding well for a pg/sg (playmaking/D/spacing/leadership) , which we would have to question if that deserves any big pay day. If it was due to shoulder last year and hand this year (being kind, and not noting it to innate inconsistency), then you still have to worry about his body and how these injuries affect him

I know that we have been at odds before about your opinions on Fox.

But I will admit a lot of what you say here holds facts.

I also am not worried about him being eligible for the Supermax as I do not see a path in the current situation to him making All NBA (or even All Star).

Obviously we cannot know the full truth about his injury situations. Nor can we actually be inside his head and know the how or why.

But the way this shows publicly (as he appears to be trying to push through for his own gain and not the team as he claims), I’m beginning to warm to the idea of moving him at peak value for young and future assets and going forward with a much more effective and balanced lineup that can not only sustain winning ball, but is built and ready for playoffs and eventually contention.

I’m not for a second willing to just give him up for a lot of the poo poo platter garbage I’ve seen proposed on either our trade thread or the T and T board. He is (healthy) an All NBA caliber player and we should get appropriate compensation for that. It’s gotta be a bidding war if it happens.

But ideally if we are keeping him, he shuts it down NOW for a month or so if not a bit more to get as good as he can for the stretch run and the playoffs.

[OxAndFox]

So, since its not a trade post necessarily and its about an extended period I will talk about Fox's injury here. There are Kings reporters like Matt George trying to make Fox into a hero for fighting through injury and excusing his play, so I will give some 2 cents

I can try to be a bit sympathetic but a few points here..

First, Domas was out here with a busted hand balling, and gets the crap kicked out of him. A lot of NBA players have ailments, and they still don't play like dogs during that time period... so its justifiable to say his game should be a little off, but not to the lows he demonstrates (this and last year with whatever was going on with his shoulder). The bottom line is you can think of a lot of nba stars having injuries, and they would find some way to still have a positive presence

Apparently, some speculate he's out here not sitting (if his injury even should require him to sit, its speculation - he says he's mostly fine) due to wanting the Supermax... In addition to me squirming about the notion (Vivek is a fan apparently, so who knows if the org would actually give it), I've detailed how unlikely I think the notion is he would make all-nba, particularly after this stretch.. and I don't like the motive, if indeed true, that he wants to hit a certain amount of games for $ if healing would help (but thats speculation)

The scoreboard though, meaning the total contribution to the team, is now two seasons in a row of sub average ts % volume scoring without other notable facets of the game besides rebounding well for a pg/sg (playmaking/D/spacing/leadership) , which we would have to question if that deserves any big pay day. If it was due to shoulder last year and hand this year (being kind, and not noting it to innate inconsistency), then you still have to worry about his body and how these injuries affect him

I know that we have been at odds before about your opinions on Fox.

But I will admit a lot of what you say here holds facts.

I also am not worried about him being eligible for the Supermax as I do not see a path in the current situation to him making All NBA (or even All Star).

Obviously we cannot know the full truth about his injury situations. Nor can we actually be inside his head and know the how or why.

But the way this shows publicly (as he appears to be trying to push through for his own gain and not the team as he claims), I’m beginning to warm to the idea of moving him at peak value for young and future assets and going forward with a much more effective and balanced lineup that can not only sustain winning ball, but is built and ready for playoffs and eventually contention.

I’m not for a second willing to just give him up for a lot of the poo poo platter garbage I’ve seen proposed on either our trade thread or the T and T board. He is (healthy) an All NBA caliber player and we should get appropriate compensation for that. It’s gotta be a bidding war if it happens.

But ideally if we are keeping him, he shuts it down NOW for a month or so if not a bit more to get as good as he can for the stretch run and the playoffs.

Yep agreed. I think this stretch has put a huge hole in any All NBA team campaign and hopefully that helps make a decision to rest. His play is costing the team at this point.

I've played with strapping on my fingers exactly how Fox has it and I'm a lefty too. The hardest thing is to get consistency or rhythm with your shot. The padding from the strapping on your pinky affects the shot a lot. So you can go on runs of really good shooting only for it to completely leave you for long stretches. It doesn't matter how much you practise with it.
Everything else gets affected too with knocks and bumps on it.
At the end of the day though, there shouldn't be any excuses for him. You either can play with it, or you can't. At this point its clear he can't. Nothing to do with pain etc, just that he can't be effective.

[BoogieTime]

So, since its not a trade post necessarily and its about an extended period I will talk about Fox's injury here. There are Kings reporters like Matt George trying to make Fox into a hero for fighting through injury and excusing his play, so I will give some 2 cents

I can try to be a bit sympathetic but a few points here..

First, Domas was out here with a busted hand balling, and gets the crap kicked out of him. A lot of NBA players have ailments, and they still don't play like dogs during that time period... so its justifiable to say his game should be a little off, but not to the lows he demonstrates (this and last year with whatever was going on with his shoulder). The bottom line is you can think of a lot of nba stars having injuries, and they would find some way to still have a positive presence

Apparently, some speculate he's out here not sitting (if his injury even should require him to sit, its speculation - he says he's mostly fine) due to wanting the Supermax... In addition to me squirming about the notion (Vivek is a fan apparently, so who knows if the org would actually give it), I've detailed how unlikely I think the notion is he would make all-nba, particularly after this stretch.. and I don't like the motive, if indeed true, that he wants to hit a certain amount of games for $ if healing would help (but thats speculation)

The scoreboard though, meaning the total contribution to the team, is now two seasons in a row of sub average ts % volume scoring without other notable facets of the game besides rebounding well for a pg/sg (playmaking/D/spacing/leadership) , which we would have to question if that deserves any big pay day. If it was due to shoulder last year and hand this year (being kind, and not noting it to innate inconsistency), then you still have to worry about his body and how these injuries affect him

I know that we have been at odds before about your opinions on Fox.

But I will admit a lot of what you say here holds facts.

I also am not worried about him being eligible for the Supermax as I do not see a path in the current situation to him making All NBA (or even All Star).

Obviously we cannot know the full truth about his injury situations. Nor can we actually be inside his head and know the how or why.

But the way this shows publicly (as he appears to be trying to push through for his own gain and not the team as he claims), I’m beginning to warm to the idea of moving him at peak value for young and future assets and going forward with a much more effective and balanced lineup that can not only sustain winning ball, but is built and ready for playoffs and eventually contention.

I’m not for a second willing to just give him up for a lot of the poo poo platter garbage I’ve seen proposed on either our trade thread or the T and T board. He is (healthy) an All NBA caliber player and we should get appropriate compensation for that. It’s gotta be a bidding war if it happens.

But ideally if we are keeping him, he shuts it down NOW for a month or so if not a bit more to get as good as he can for the stretch run and the playoffs.

I dont think we can dictate his value

Concretely I'm not sure its anywhere near as bountiful as a lot of fans believe. The T/T board is a non partial middle ground. I'm even a bit more pessimistic.

And then what do you do in that situation? I'm not sure he gets more valuable as his contract winds down.. And then its questionable keeping him to re-up him at the regular value (non Supermax max) he will likely command

[codydaze]

I'm still against trading Fox but if his finger is bothering him enough to affect his game the way it has in this last stretch then he absolutely needs to sit and just go get it fixed. Playing the way he has isn't going to get him All NBA even if he does make the games played threshold so just go get healthy. Delaying it is only going to make things worse.

[KF10]

I don't think Fox will sit. They are going to keep starting Fox despite the injuries.

Both Fox and coaching will need to be honest with each other and the best thing is to let Fox rest and be sidelined until he gets better. But from what I've seen, they are not willing to have that conversation anytime soon.

[chetosco]

From a distance, the last three years look like this. Domas comes and singlehandedly resurrects the dead Kings. Brown is named the best coach of the year for that somehow. The following two years of Domas' prime are spent on adding as much value on Fox (who thinks he's the best and only star of the team) as possible to sell him, meanwhile Brown dismantles a good team. Domas from a 30-40-point All-Star triple-double king is turned into a court's janitor, "a poor man's Jokic", despite being better than Jokic as a team-builder (but who cares! Basketball is about fancy scoring). People start thinking about selling Sabonis, which for sure is going to happen. Which for sure will bring Kings back to the swamp, and I'll be done with following a cute team from Sacramento. The city had a gift from God and blew it.

[LightTheBeam]

I know okc is good, but this is just a broken broken team. Cat can't be put back in the bag. Time to send demar and Fox out of here as quick as possible. Get as many picks as you can. This season is cooked.

[BoogieTime]

I know okc is good, but this is just a broken broken team. Cat can't be put back in the bag. Time to send demar and Fox out of here as quick as possible. Get as many picks as you can. This season is cooked.

Fox needs to be out and should be sat til the deadline, but firing Brown for DC never was it as the new coach hot play subsides IMO.. I’ll give DC the rest of the season to prove me wrong but imo we need a good coaching hire this summer too (and I love DC as a member of the franchise but he is an interim)

Lots of coaches get a period of hot play grace period when they first are hired

[LightTheBeam]

I know okc is good, but this is just a broken broken team. Cat can't be put back in the bag. Time to send demar and Fox out of here as quick as possible. Get as many picks as you can. This season is cooked.

Fox needs to be out and should be sat til the deadline, but firing Brown for DC never was it as the new coach hot play subsides IMO.. I’ll give DC the rest of the season to prove me wrong but imo we need a good coaching hire this summer too (and I love DC as a member of the franchise but he is an interim)

Lots of coaches get a period of hot play grace period when they first are hired

Mike brown was dog **** excuse my words. Awful awful coach no mistake firing that clown.

Id be in for a full rebuild. But at a minimum Fox, derozan, huerter and lyles should go.

Give Christie rest of the season with a team that wants to be here. It's going to be rough but maybe it will be fun again

[BoogieTime]

I know okc is good, but this is just a broken broken team. Cat can't be put back in the bag. Time to send demar and Fox out of here as quick as possible. Get as many picks as you can. This season is cooked.

Fox needs to be out and should be sat til the deadline, but firing Brown for DC never was it as the new coach hot play subsides IMO.. I’ll give DC the rest of the season to prove me wrong but imo we need a good coaching hire this summer too (and I love DC as a member of the franchise but he is an interim)

Lots of coaches get a period of hot play grace period when they first are hired

Mike brown was dog **** excuse my words. Awful awful coach no mistake firing that clown.

Id be in for a full rebuild. But at a minimum Fox, derozan, huerter and lyles should go.

Give Christie rest of the season with a team that wants to be here. It's going to be rough but maybe it will be fun again

There is nothing to rebuild yet

As far as I’m concerned we are losing an overrated player who is killing vibes now and replacing him with solid production can make the team better. Need to see the team with the talent of a Fox trade added for a bit and with a new coach if the DC stuff flames out. Blow up is next year if we are still having this convo post trade and post potential new coaching hiring, but then I guess I share the just competing for periphery playoffs is fine approach after all these years

[OGSactownballer]

I know okc is good, but this is just a broken broken team. Cat can't be put back in the bag. Time to send demar and Fox out of here as quick as possible. Get as many picks as you can. This season is cooked.

Fox needs to be out and should be sat til the deadline, but firing Brown for DC never was it as the new coach hot play subsides IMO.. I’ll give DC the rest of the season to prove me wrong but imo we need a good coaching hire this summer too (and I love DC as a member of the franchise but he is an interim)

Lots of coaches get a period of hot play grace period when they first are hired

Sorry but this is pure BS.

They don’t get 9-1 and 12-2 hot. That’s not even something a team that’s good but not great does.

This is purely due to the noise and that’s both from outside and within.

I’m fine with shipping Fox for the best possible package because I believe he and Paul engineered this and the only hitch is they got caught and outed because the team wasn’t going to get screwed.

And as far as DDR goes he’s should know better than running his mouth in public so ship his ass for assets too!

[BoogieTime]

I know okc is good, but this is just a broken broken team. Cat can't be put back in the bag. Time to send demar and Fox out of here as quick as possible. Get as many picks as you can. This season is cooked.

Fox needs to be out and should be sat til the deadline, but firing Brown for DC never was it as the new coach hot play subsides IMO.. I’ll give DC the rest of the season to prove me wrong but imo we need a good coaching hire this summer too (and I love DC as a member of the franchise but he is an interim)

Lots of coaches get a period of hot play grace period when they first are hired

Sorry but this is pure BS.

They don’t get 9-1 and 12-2 hot. That’s not even something a team that’s good but not great does.

This is purely due to the noise and that’s both from outside and within.

I’m fine with shipping Fox for the best possible package because I believe he and Paul engineered this and the only hitch is they got caught and outed because the team wasn’t going to get screwed.

And as far as DDR goes he’s should know better than running his mouth in public so ship his ass for assets too!

yes, new coaches often get a bump of energy... I would've liked to have seen Brown with this post-Fox group, but we will see if Christie can assuage my doubts after Fox is traded