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Post#261 » by tontoz » Fri Jan 3, 2025 10:28 pm

The thing I really want to see from Ace is scoring inside. The assists/turnovers don't bother me as much as it bothers some guys on the draft board. He has some legit haters there.

I see Ace as an off ball scorer so his lack of playmaking isn't a big issue to me. Scoring efficiency is an issue though.

I have him at 6 now. He has been pretty good on D, vocal with a good motor. I am more positive on him because of that.

He also has a frame that looks like it will fill out well. He already looks a lot bigger than he did last year.
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Post#262 » by tontoz » Fri Jan 3, 2025 10:42 pm

Ace showed a step through move I haven't seen from him before, similar to what Kuzma does a lot.

It's funny how he doesn't even try to clear space for his jumper. He just shoots right in the face of the defender. Not sure how that will translate.

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Post#263 » by tontoz » Sat Jan 4, 2025 5:11 pm

Tre and Fears playing ranked teams tonight on the SEC network.
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Post#264 » by J-Ves » Sat Jan 4, 2025 9:08 pm

I’m not saying I want to get screwed over by the lotto gods but with how well guys like Jakucionis and Tre are playing I’m not dreading it so much
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Post#265 » by tontoz » Sun Jan 5, 2025 4:18 am

tontoz wrote:Tre and Fears playing ranked teams tonight on the SEC network.


Rough night :lol: I guess the holiday break did them no favors.
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Post#266 » by J-Ves » Sun Jan 5, 2025 4:31 am

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tontoz wrote:Tre and Fears playing ranked teams tonight on the SEC network.


Rough night :lol: I guess the holiday break did them no favors.

Figures they’d lay an egg :nonono:
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Post#267 » by BearlyBallin » Sun Jan 5, 2025 5:25 am

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Yeah he’s not athletic but he finds a way to help his team. Late second round? Maybe an UDFA two-way signing?
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Post#268 » by tontoz » Sun Jan 5, 2025 1:36 pm

Utah beat Miami for their 8th win. Looks like our tank effort got an assist from Jimmy Butler. :lol:

Just got done watching OU vs Alabama. Fears started 0-8 but finished 5-7. the first part of the game wasn't televised because another game went long so I am not sure what happened early.

Alabama is a big, athletic team filled with upper classmen. He probably has never played against a defense like that. Still from what I saw he looked good.
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Post#269 » by nate33 » Sun Jan 5, 2025 3:28 pm

tontoz wrote:Ace showed a step through move I haven't seen from him before, similar to what Kuzma does a lot.

It's funny how he doesn't even try to clear space for his jumper. He just shoots right in the face of the defender. Not sure how that will translate.


This is very encouraging.

I've been a little bit leery of Bailey relying so much on fadeaway jumpers. It's real nice to see him developing his handle and finishing in the lane. A had considered his closest comparison to be Len Bias, but now I'm seeing a little bit of that Kevin Durant potential.
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Post#270 » by doclinkin » Sun Jan 5, 2025 5:03 pm

AFM wrote:

PHX is in a brutal spot


what I’ve been saying.

As of today the Suns miss the playoffs. With a 4.5% chance of the #1 pick. And a 20.2% chance of a top 4 pick.

We are 2nd in the tankstakes. With the same odds as the Pels and hornets to pick top 4.

1st 14%
2nd 13.4
3rd 12.7
4th 12.0

And a 47.8% chance of falling to 5 or 6.
5th: 27.8
6th: 20.0

Except we get the PHX lotto combos. So our top 4 chances increase to:

1st: 18.5
2nd: 18.2
3rd: 17.9
4th:17.7

For a 72.3% chance of a top 4 pick.
54.6% chance of Flagg/Harper/Bailey.

Instead of a near 50/50 shot we fall to 5th or 6th.

Those who say the pick will never convey because the Suns will be better than us are misunderstanding the math of the situation. Understandable since we’ve rarely been on the bright side of benefitting from other teams worse management. But from the very beginning the Beal trade looked sunny to me.
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Post#271 » by tontoz » Sun Jan 5, 2025 5:22 pm

doclinkin wrote:

what I’ve been saying.

As of today the Suns miss the playoffs. With a 4.5% chance of the #1 pick. And a 20.2% chance of a top 4 pick.

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We don't have a pick swap with the Suns for this draft. The years were 24, 26, 28, 30.

Next years swap could be nice.
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Post#272 » by doclinkin » Mon Jan 6, 2025 1:31 am

tontoz wrote:
doclinkin wrote:

what I’ve been saying.

As of today the Suns miss the playoffs. With a 4.5% chance of the #1 pick. And a 20.2% chance of a top 4 pick.

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We don't have a pick swap with the Suns for this draft. The years were 24, 26, 28, 30.

Next years swap could be nice.


Ok true. The point stands though. Just swap the names Dybantsa and Boozer and Arenas or whomever.


It’s not like the Suns are more likely to be healthy next year. The swap is only likely to have increasing value over the years. Even and especially as we get better.
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Post#273 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Mon Jan 6, 2025 1:22 pm

tontoz wrote:
doclinkin wrote:

what I’ve been saying.

As of today the Suns miss the playoffs. With a 4.5% chance of the #1 pick. And a 20.2% chance of a top 4 pick.

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We don't have a pick swap with the Suns for this draft. The years were 24, 26, 28, 30.

Next years swap could be nice.



We get the Suns 2nd round pick this year. Which is good because apparently our 2nd rounder (which is projected at #31) is going to Boston for some reason.
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Post#274 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Mon Jan 6, 2025 2:33 pm

I really hope we land on Flagg. Watching Kuzma last night, I realized this team has literally played this season without a PF. Trade Kuzma for future draft assets, and bring in Flagg would be a seamless move that transforms the Wizards to one of the young up and coming exciting teams of the future.

A starting 5 of Sarr, Flagg, George, Coulibaly, Carrington would give the Wizards a starting lineup with a average age of 20.

A solid bench of veteran role players entering their prime in Bagley, Bey, Kispert, Champagnie, Poole would make a solid versatile roster with youth and potential.
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Post#275 » by tontoz » Mon Jan 6, 2025 2:56 pm

SUPERBALLMAN wrote:I really hope we land on Flagg. Watching Kuzma last night, I realized this team has literally played this season without a PF. Trade Kuzma for future draft assets, and bring in Flagg would be a seamless move that transforms the Wizards to one of the young up and coming exciting teams of the future.

A starting 5 of Sarr, Flagg, George, Coulibaly, Carrington would give the Wizards a starting lineup with a average age of 20.

A solid bench of veteran role players entering their prime in Bagley, Bey, Kispert, Champagnie, Poole would make a solid versatile roster with youth and potential.



Actually i think Sarr is a 4. He has spent a lot of time there and said publicly that he prefers the 4. He can't defend at all against big centers.

However he can shoot 3s, handle the ball and pass well enough to play the 4. He is much better defending against smaller players. I think playing the 4 full time is his best position.
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Post#276 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Mon Jan 6, 2025 3:12 pm

tontoz wrote:
SUPERBALLMAN wrote:I really hope we land on Flagg. Watching Kuzma last night, I realized this team has literally played this season without a PF. Trade Kuzma for future draft assets, and bring in Flagg would be a seamless move that transforms the Wizards to one of the young up and coming exciting teams of the future.

A starting 5 of Sarr, Flagg, George, Coulibaly, Carrington would give the Wizards a starting lineup with a average age of 20.

A solid bench of veteran role players entering their prime in Bagley, Bey, Kispert, Champagnie, Poole would make a solid versatile roster with youth and potential.



Actually i think Sarr is a 4. He has spent a lot of time there and said publicly that he prefers the 4. He can't defend at all against big centers.

However he can shoot 3s, handle the ball and pass well enough to play the 4. He is much better defending against smaller players. I think playing the 4 full time is his best position.



He's been playing the 5. He's been in a rotation with Valenciunas. Actually I thought the same thing as you, but lately he looks good at center, he's starting to play more physical inside, he's rebounding better and just seems more assertive. I think Sarr and Flagg would be a great tandem and would compliment each other nicely. That front 5 with Sarr, F!agg, George, Coulibaly, Bub would excite me, the length, size, defense, passing and versatility and youth would be a fun team to watch and root for!
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Post#277 » by tontoz » Mon Jan 6, 2025 3:24 pm

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tontoz wrote:
SUPERBALLMAN wrote:I really hope we land on Flagg. Watching Kuzma last night, I realized this team has literally played this season without a PF. Trade Kuzma for future draft assets, and bring in Flagg would be a seamless move that transforms the Wizards to one of the young up and coming exciting teams of the future.

A starting 5 of Sarr, Flagg, George, Coulibaly, Carrington would give the Wizards a starting lineup with a average age of 20.

A solid bench of veteran role players entering their prime in Bagley, Bey, Kispert, Champagnie, Poole would make a solid versatile roster with youth and potential.



Actually i think Sarr is a 4. He has spent a lot of time there and said publicly that he prefers the 4. He can't defend at all against big centers.

However he can shoot 3s, handle the ball and pass well enough to play the 4. He is much better defending against smaller players. I think playing the 4 full time is his best position.



He's been playing the 5. He's been in a rotation with Valenciunas. Actually I thought the same thing as you, but lately he looks good at center, he's starting to play more physical inside, he's rebounding better and just seems more assertive. I think Sarr and Flagg would be a great tandem and would compliment each other nicely. That front 5 with Sarr, F!agg, George, Coulibaly, Bub would excite me, the length, size, defense, passing and versatility and youth would be a fun team to watch and root for!



He is fine guarding Missi. Against a legit center not so much. He has played plenty with JV, who has started 7 games.

Sarr is soft. If he gains another 15 pounds he will still be soft.

When we played the Knicks how much time did he spend guarding Kat? We actually had Champaigne guarding Kat much of the time. Sarr would get destroyed against Kat even worse than he did against Jaren Jackson or Sengun.
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Post#278 » by tontoz » Mon Jan 6, 2025 3:36 pm

Our next game is against Houston. This is what happened when Sarr tried to guard Sengun.

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Post#279 » by DCZards » Mon Jan 6, 2025 3:42 pm

I thought going into the season that Sarr was best-suited to play the 4. And I expected him to log a lot of minutes next to JV, which hasn’t happened.

There are not many big physical centers in the NBA anymore, especially in the East, so I think Sarr can get away with primarily playing the 5. Although I’d still like to see some lineups with him at the 4.

I don’t know how much tougher Sarr will get but I expect him to get bigger and stronger.

Sengun, JJJ, and KAT are three of the best offensive bigs in the NBA…they crush everybody and not just a 19 yr old Sarr.
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Post#280 » by tontoz » Mon Jan 6, 2025 3:54 pm

DCZards wrote:I thought going into the season that Sarr was best-suited to play the 4. And I expected him to log a lot of minutes next to JV, which hasn’t happened.

There are not many big physical centers in the NBA anymore, especially in the East, so I think Sarr can get away with primarily playing the 5. Although I’d still like to see some lineups with him at the 4.

I don’t know how much tougher Sarr will get but I expect him to get bigger and stronger.

Sengun, JJJ, and KAT are three of the best offensive bigs in the NBA…they crush everybody and not just Sarr.



Sengun averages 19 with a TS of 54%. He can't shoot but it didn't matter against Sarr. He dropped 27/17 on us shooting 12/19. He took Sarr to the rim routinely.
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