PG: Embarrassing loss to ORL

[Butch718]

Some of you have such tunnel vision about one thing, you can’t have a nuanced discussion about other problems. Reminds me of one issue voters.

While Thibs needs to utilize the bench better, the Knicks have one of healthiest teams in the league. We have issues beyond minute totals

The bench talent is pure garbage. Healthy or not, tired or not, you cannot contend for a chip if you have the worst bench in the league.

Yes, you can. When the Nuggets won their ring, they did it based on largely a 6 man rotation in the playoffs. However, during the regular season, Malone kept the Nuggets main 6 at reasonable levels minutes-wise. Jokic was at 33.7.

They had guys like Zeke Nnaji, Vlatko Cancer, old ass Jeff Green, old ass Reggie playing. Some rookies who weren't ready like Braun or Bones. Even DeAndre. All those dudes were pretty much benched when it was playoff time.

We probably have a better bench than them, when guys are healthy tbh. But we should not be using playoff rotations in the regular season that quickly. We're not in must-in win mode yet. We should not be risking guys' health like this. It's not worth it, not at this moment.

They also had the best player on the planet. I mean they’re the exception, not the rule.

[kNicksGmen]

Thibs is going to be coaching this team in the finals

I hope so. I have that much confidence in the talent on the team. I just hope we get there healthy.

Thibs will never coach in the finals. He's a regular season coach

Unfortunately I think you're right

He's a floor raiser, not the guy that breaks through the ceiling to get a talented team all the way.

Dude is like 80 too. Just retire dude.

[The KnicksFix]

Good vibes from that 9 game win streak are completely gone. The second half of that Okc game took a lot of steam out of this team.

I am sure they’ll course correct at some point, but I just don’t see this team beating the Celtics or Cavs or even the Magic come playoff time.

Something feels really off about this team.

Yea, the coach
The legs and health of the team is gone

[HEZI]

Sims, Achiuwa and Shamet all getting over 20 minutes like we all wanted and providing the spark we all knew they would provide. Magnificent performance by our fresh and energized spark plugs. If only our starters played less we would have totally blown out the Magic tonight with our amazing depth. Really enjoyed their performance, more minutes coach

In other words you think the team would be better off playing all starters 48 mins every game? Got it!



Cole Anthony had been barely in rotation for a few weeks, then injury happened to Suggs and he played and dropped 24 in this game. Even when his own coach Moshley thought Cole sucked when he gave him playing time, he produced.

Most NBA players when they're given playing time and trust, they produce.

Under coaches like Moshley, Daignault, Spo, Lue, aka the real coaches players like Huk, Kolek would be in rotation. They all can play, even Pac.

Take more risks, that's how the team you lead can thrive. Playing it safe is the riskiest move you can take, and we're all now paying for it dearly.

No I have this crazy idea, check it out. So there’s this guy who has the power to make these things called trades, right? You won’t believe it but he’s the same guy who brought in the starting lineup. So his job is to recognize the weakness of the bench and actually do something about it by making a trade. So until that happens, there are going to be some bad losses and bumps along the way. Crazy I know but that’s what other teams are doing so we just have to wait our turn

[Parraknick]

Ppl acting like we're saying that we have the dynamic bench is purposely letting the point go over their head for whatever reason. We want Thibs to be a better game manager. It's not complicated. Don't leave the starters in the game when you're up 20-30 late in the 4th. Don't sit your two ball handlers at the same time. Do a better job at staggering the damn lineup. Let Kolek play with KAT and set him up. Let JB go to work when you have Shamet on the floor. It's really not rocket science.

It's just to defend Thibs, that's all it is, a deflection point. The fact they're trying it in this game is ridiculous considering the Magic gave a two way player minutes and were without 3 starters.

Additionally, our bench would most likely be better if they had more opportunities earlier in the season.

[Fat Kat]

If Orlando’s top players didn’t play any minutes, they wouldn’t be decimated with injuries.

[spree8]

Some of you have such tunnel vision about one thing, you can’t have a nuanced discussion about other problems. Reminds me of one issue voters.

While Thibs needs to utilize the bench better, the Knicks have one of healthiest teams in the league. We have issues beyond minute totals

This is pretty hypocritical. Accusing others of tunnel vision because of focusing on minutes, but not realizing that minutes affect virtually every facet of the game.

Poor defense in the 4th, declining shooting efficiency, overall poor offensive execution, poor decision making, injuries (especially leaving starters like KAT in during garbage time), etc etc etc.

We’ve seen Kolek, Huk, and Dadiet play enough to know they have talent, but people writing them off like they aren’t difference makers don’t know that for a fact. If they’ve been getting consistent playing time the past 2 months, who knows where they’d be in terms of development. Other teams play their rookies against us and have a lot of success, so why’s it so hard to believe?

Rookies aside, Cam, Shamet, Precious playing 13 mpg consistently and Sims at least 5 mpg would ensure no starters play more than 35 mins any night. We still need bench upgrades sure, but doing that in the interim isn’t going to kill us. Shyt, we’re already losing games we should be winning anyway, so why not try it? But no.

Thibs won’t do either one, no rookies or vets on the bench getting consistent minutes to spell the starters and build some sort of chemistry. So this is what we’re left with. Thibs is our biggest issue and it’s not close.

[The KnicksFix]

The bench didn't lose the game dude. The starters should have smoked these bums and the bench would only need to not blow s 15+ point lead.

Starters have been carrying us all season. They aren’t going to be great every night. We were at home and our bench got severely outplayed by the opponent bench in our own building. A good bench would have provided a spark and helped but ours provided nothing dude. On the road you can understand but at home it’s inexcusable. They just flat out suck

I get what you're saying but to me the starters lost the game. The "Bench" consisted of 3 guys that didn't play a ton anyways. I thought Cam was fine. Precious was the only one that seemed bad.

Brunson was awful
OG was awful
Hart played like a clown
Sims seemed decent at 1st but always reminds us why we hate him

Bridges was very good.

I agree the bench sucks especially with McBride not playing. I still think thibs philosophy to treat every game as must win hurts in the long run. We would be better off having lost a few games due to playing too many guys compared to where we are now. Ending up losing games anyways because everyone is burnt out or banged up.

You’re missing the point
The reason the starting 5 is done and fried now is because of attrition, because of how many minutes they’ve played up to this point. You need energy off the bench. That’s what Huk, kolek and pac can give you. We dont ever play with pop because we keep running the same starters and 3 bench players who give you nothing. Payne gave u 8 points, yet he still couldn’t see the court in the 4th where this idiot played shamet who gave u 0 points.
That’s the point

[Context]

Not developing the bench and over working our 6 main guys is why the Knicks are playing this way.
Thibs was playing 6/7 guys in the 40's for the most part...Now he's forced to play guys and unfortunately -those guys will have to
develop chemistry as well. This is just part of the process...

[HerSports85]

Not developing the bench and over working our 6 main guys is why the Knicks are playing this way.
Thibs was playing 6/7 guys in the 40's for the most part...Now he's forced to play guys and unfortunately -those guys will have to
develop chemistry as well. This is just part of the process...

Stop talking logic, Context. They suppose to jump right off the bench after not getting any significant or consistent mins and just be good.

[Parraknick]

Not developing the bench and over working our 6 main guys is why the Knicks are playing this way.
Thibs was playing 6/7 guys in the 40's for the most part...Now he's forced to play guys and unfortunately -those guys will have to
develop chemistry as well. This is just part of the process...

It’s honestly just unbelievable what is going on. I’ve never seen anything like it.

[The KnicksFix]

Sims, Achiuwa and Shamet all getting over 20 minutes like we all wanted and providing the spark we all knew they would provide. Magnificent performance by our fresh and energized spark plugs. If only our starters played less we would have totally blown out the Magic tonight with our amazing depth. Really enjoyed their performance, more minutes coach

In other words you think the team would be better off playing all starters 48 mins every game? Got it!



Cole Anthony had been barely in rotation for a few weeks, then injury happened to Suggs and he played and dropped 24 in this game. Even when his own coach Moshley thought Cole sucked when he gave him playing time, he produced.

Most NBA players when they're given playing time and trust, they produce.

Under coaches like Moshley, Daignault, Spo, Lue, aka the real coaches players like Huk, Kolek would be in rotation. They all can play, even Pac.

Take more risks, that's how the team you lead can thrive. Playing it safe is the riskiest move you can take, and we're all now paying for it dearly.

No I have this crazy idea, check it out. So there’s this guy who has the power to make these things called trades, right? You won’t believe it but he’s the same guy who brought in the starting lineup. So his job is to recognize the weakness of the bench and actually do something about it by making a trade. So until that happens, there are going to be some bad losses and bumps along the way. Crazy I know but that’s what other teams are doing so we just have to wait our turn

WHAT DONT YOU GET? WE HAVE PLAYERS THAT WE CAN PLAY RIGHT NOW OFF THE BENCH!
We have players that can contribute!
KOLEK, HUK, AND PAC
If we are going to make trades, you can’t keep losing games in the meantime, bench shamet, sims precious and play the rookies man

[HerSports85]

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[HEZI]

The bench didn't lose the game dude. The starters should have smoked these bums and the bench would only need to not blow s 15+ point lead.

Starters have been carrying us all season. They aren’t going to be great every night. We were at home and our bench got severely outplayed by the opponent bench in our own building. A good bench would have provided a spark and helped but ours provided nothing dude. On the road you can understand but at home it’s inexcusable. They just flat out suck

I get what you're saying but to me the starters lost the game. The "Bench" consisted of 3 guys that didn't play a ton anyways. I thought Cam was fine. Precious was the only one that seemed bad.

Brunson was awful
OG was awful
Hart played like a clown
Sims seemed decent at 1st but always reminds us why we hate him

Bridges was very good.

I agree the bench sucks especially with McBride not playing. I still think thibs philosophy to treat every game as must win hurts in the long run. We would be better off having lost a few games due to playing too many guys compared to where we are now. Ending up losing games anyways because everyone is burnt out or banged up.

Brunson could have played much better but we didn’t have our usual floor spacing with Sims and Achiuwa not being offensive threats. The guys didn’t look comfortable getting to their spots because there was always help defense around. Even Brunson kept running into a wall of defense because our shooting just wasn’t respected especially the bigs.

You would like to see the bench come in and provide some relief when the starters look like they are struggling but we didn’t get any of it. Besides KAT there isn’t any other floor spacing big on the roster. We have no real forwards besides the starters. We got an undersized big man and then a bunch of small guards who are streaky at best. No real offensive threats, nobody to create any type of mismatches or provide anything else besides some rebounding.

[kNicksGmen]

That pistons pick is really going to convey huh

[The KnicksFix]

Not developing the bench and over working our 6 main guys is why the Knicks are playing this way.
Thibs was playing 6/7 guys in the 40's for the most part...Now he's forced to play guys and unfortunately -those guys will have to
develop chemistry as well. This is just part of the process...

Stop talking logic, Context. They suppose to jump right off the bench after not getting any significant or consistent mins and just be good.

We aren’t saying that kolek huk and pac should be in heavy minutes right away. But them not playing at all in a game like this makes NO sense

[Jalen Bluntson]

Sims, Achiuwa and Shamet all getting over 20 minutes like we all wanted and providing the spark we all knew they would provide. Magnificent performance by our fresh and energized spark plugs. If only our starters played less we would have totally blown out the Magic tonight with our amazing depth. Really enjoyed their performance, more minutes coach

In other words you think the team would be better off playing all starters 48 mins every game? Got it!



Cole Anthony had been barely in rotation for a few weeks, then injury happened to Suggs and he played and dropped 24 in this game. Even when his own coach Moshley thought Cole sucked when he gave him playing time, he produced.

Most NBA players when they're given playing time and trust, they produce.

Under coaches like Moshley, Daignault, Spo, Lue, aka the real coaches players like Huk, Kolek would be in rotation. They all can play, even Pac.

Take more risks, that's how the team you lead can thrive. Playing it safe is the riskiest move you can take, and we're all now paying for it dearly.

No I have this crazy idea, check it out. So there’s this guy who has the power to make these things called trades, right? You won’t believe it but he’s the same guy who brought in the starting lineup. So his job is to recognize the weakness of the bench and actually do something about it by making a trade. So until that happens, there are going to be some bad losses and bumps along the way. Crazy I know but that’s what other teams are doing so we just have to wait our turn

Thibs does this every year no matter who is on the bench. It's not the players, it's the coach. It's not difficult to see at all. We see it every year. He will not get us to the finals healthy and we will not win a finals him as the HC unless we are 100% healthy. Catch 22. He needs to go.

[The KnicksFix]

Starters have been carrying us all season. They aren’t going to be great every night. We were at home and our bench got severely outplayed by the opponent bench in our own building. A good bench would have provided a spark and helped but ours provided nothing dude. On the road you can understand but at home it’s inexcusable. They just flat out suck

I get what you're saying but to me the starters lost the game. The "Bench" consisted of 3 guys that didn't play a ton anyways. I thought Cam was fine. Precious was the only one that seemed bad.

Brunson was awful
OG was awful
Hart played like a clown
Sims seemed decent at 1st but always reminds us why we hate him

Bridges was very good.

I agree the bench sucks especially with McBride not playing. I still think thibs philosophy to treat every game as must win hurts in the long run. We would be better off having lost a few games due to playing too many guys compared to where we are now. Ending up losing games anyways because everyone is burnt out or banged up.

Brunson could have played much better but we didn’t have our usual floor spacing with Sims and Achiuwa not being offensive threats. The guys didn’t look comfortable getting to their spots because there was always help defense around. Even Brunson kept running into a wall of defense because our shooting just wasn’t respected especially the bigs.

You would like to see the bench come in and provide some relief when the starters look like they are struggling but we didn’t get any of it. Besides KAT there isn’t any other floor spacing big on the roster. We have no real forwards besides the starters. We got an undersized big man and then a bunch of small guards who are streaky at best. No real offensive threats, nobody to create any type of mismatches or provide anything else besides some rebounding.

You’re playing shamet and precious with hart, Mikal and Brunson.
Precious and shamet are NON THREATS, thats the problem, thibs is not giving guys off the bench who can be a threat a chance! Kolek and huk should be in there

[NoDopeOnSundays]

We are shooting 29.8% from three the last 5 games, the cracks in the armor were starting to show during the winning streak. The minutes load for these guys was not sustainable and you're seeing the results of a coach that pushed his team way too hard too soon.

[Parraknick]

This is a very dangerous period. If something doesn’t change extremely soon, I think this season could implode.

I’ve spent the last 15 years working in sports medicine and what we are on the cusp of is burning through everyone’s tolerance to niggles.

IMO, the only way to avoid writing off the season is to accept a significant period of poorer results and go the other way with the minutes. I.e overplaying the fringe guys.