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Re: Wembanyama. I'm concerned 

Post#1961 » by BigGargamel » Sun Jan 5, 2025 8:04 pm

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Just asking , but Are we even sure about SGA? He’s a amazing scorer and player but the size and defense is too much to ignore


Wembanyama is coming but not yet. Joker and SGA are currently the two best players in the NBA, and I would put Giannis up there as well. After that though, you could make a case for Wemby.


Huh? You're seriously saying you'd take SGA for a playoff run over Luka?


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That's not what I said at all whatsoever but okay. If it makes you happy, sure.
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Re: Wembanyama. I'm concerned 

Post#1962 » by OkcSinceSGA » Sun Jan 5, 2025 8:30 pm

Kobe187 wrote:Wembanyama is a top 5 player at the age of 21, this kid is going to be amazing by the time he’s 24. More points in his first 100 games played than LeBron, KD & Carmelo.


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Re: Wembanyama. I'm concerned 

Post#1963 » by Kobe187 » Sun Jan 5, 2025 9:46 pm

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Kobe187 wrote:Wembanyama is a top 5 player at the age of 21, this kid is going to be amazing by the time he’s 24. More points in his first 100 games played than LeBron, KD & Carmelo.


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Them damn Spurs drafting.


Robinson entered the NBA as a 24-year-old rookie with the Spurs though
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Re: Wembanyama. I'm concerned 

Post#1964 » by UglyBugBall » Mon Jan 6, 2025 8:59 am

BigGargamel wrote:
UglyBugBall wrote:
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Wembanyama is coming but not yet. Joker and SGA are currently the two best players in the NBA, and I would put Giannis up there as well. After that though, you could make a case for Wemby.


Huh? You're seriously saying you'd take SGA for a playoff run over Luka?


:lol:

That's not what I said at all whatsoever but okay. If it makes you happy, sure.


He's not one of the two best players in the NBA if you don't choose him for a playoff run. Being the best in the NBA is usually measured in the playoffs.
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Re: Wembanyama. I'm concerned 

Post#1965 » by Ayt » Mon Jan 6, 2025 12:08 pm

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tsherkin wrote:
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Yeah he 'can' shoot. Problem is he sucks at it.


He doesn't suck at it. He's maintaining roughly league-average 3P% on that volume and he's shooting nearly 88% from the foul line. It's very clear that he CAN shoot. The problem is just specific volume of 3s.


He can shoot free throws, but not 3s. If you remove his games where he shot over 40 percent, his shooting percentage is well under 28 percent which is abysmal.


This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read on this site.
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Re: Wembanyama. I'm concerned 

Post#1966 » by og15 » Mon Jan 6, 2025 12:49 pm

Ayt wrote:
UglyBugBall wrote:
tsherkin wrote:
He doesn't suck at it. He's maintaining roughly league-average 3P% on that volume and he's shooting nearly 88% from the foul line. It's very clear that he CAN shoot. The problem is just specific volume of 3s.


He can shoot free throws, but not 3s. If you remove his games where he shot over 40 percent, his shooting percentage is well under 28 percent which is abysmal.


This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read on this site.
I wonder what happens if we remove most players games where they've shot over 40%. Probably one of the worst logic I've seen in some time lol
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Re: Wembanyama. I'm concerned 

Post#1967 » by DwayneSchintzus » Mon Jan 6, 2025 2:02 pm

if you take out his good games, he sucks
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Post#1968 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Jan 6, 2025 5:04 pm

HotRocks34 wrote:Robinson was older than Wemby as a rookie but he put up:

24/12/2/1/3
26 PER; .241 WS48; 6.9 BPM
ROY
6th in MVP voting

Robinson was a freak.

Part of the problem for him was that Jordan and Olajuwon were around.


Indeed.

David Robinson is largely forgotten as an all time great...for whatever reason.

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Post#1969 » by EmpireFalls » Mon Jan 6, 2025 5:44 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
HotRocks34 wrote:Robinson was older than Wemby as a rookie but he put up:

24/12/2/1/3
26 PER; .241 WS48; 6.9 BPM
ROY
6th in MVP voting

Robinson was a freak.

Part of the problem for him was that Jordan and Olajuwon were around.


Indeed.

David Robinson is largely forgotten as an all time great...for whatever reason.

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The playoffs.
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Re: Wembanyama. I'm concerned 

Post#1970 » by jdzimme3 » Mon Jan 6, 2025 6:14 pm

EmpireFalls wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:
HotRocks34 wrote:Robinson was older than Wemby as a rookie but he put up:

24/12/2/1/3
26 PER; .241 WS48; 6.9 BPM
ROY
6th in MVP voting

Robinson was a freak.

Part of the problem for him was that Jordan and Olajuwon were around.


Indeed.

David Robinson is largely forgotten as an all time great...for whatever reason.

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The playoffs.



24/12/3/3 in the playoffs pre Duncan. Acting like robinson was some kinda bum in the playoffs is totally overblown.

It's hard to be especially efficient when you are constantly double teamed and carrying the load on defense.
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Post#1971 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Jan 6, 2025 6:53 pm

jdzimme3 wrote:
EmpireFalls wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:Indeed.

David Robinson is largely forgotten as an all time great...for whatever reason.


The playoffs.



24/12/3/3 in the playoffs pre Duncan. Acting like robinson was some kinda bum in the playoffs is totally overblown.

It's hard to be especially efficient when you are constantly double teamed and carrying the load on defense.



Yeah, I'm fairly certain the poster above, like most current Real GMers, isn't old enough to remember how bad those Spurs rosters were pre-Tim Duncan.

If you think the Denver Nuggets are failing prime Jokic by failing to put a competitive group around him...Spurs were arguably even worse than that in the early to mid-90s.

And they still averaged more than 50 wins per season during that stretch. Because David Robinson was just that dominant..
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Post#1972 » by GeorgeMarcus » Mon Jan 6, 2025 7:39 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
jdzimme3 wrote:
EmpireFalls wrote:
The playoffs.



24/12/3/3 in the playoffs pre Duncan. Acting like robinson was some kinda bum in the playoffs is totally overblown.

It's hard to be especially efficient when you are constantly double teamed and carrying the load on defense.



Yeah, I'm fairly certain the poster above, like most current Real GMers, isn't old enough to remember how bad those Spurs rosters were pre-Tim Duncan.

If you think the Denver Nuggets are failing prime Jokic by failing to put a competitive group around him...Spurs were arguably even worse than that in the early to mid-90s.

And they still averaged more than 50 wins per season during that stretch. Because David Robinson was just that dominant..

D Rob was an impact legend. The series against Houston probably did more damage to his reputation than any playoff series has to any player. It's unfortunate because his style of play differed from Olajuwon's in that he wasn't as much of a 'give him the ball and let him work' type nor was his defensive impact captured as a ball stopper/man defender. He was a GOAT level roll man with a good enough shot to attract defenders away from the basket, and a GOAT level rim protector/help defender. Arguably the most imposing physical specimen the league has seen.

In that sense, Olajuwon scoring more head to head should have come as no surprise. We fans have a tendency to downplay the complexity of the game and latch onto narratives as if the Dream-Admiral spectacle occurred in a vacuum. It's a shame the Spurs couldn't build a better supporting cast to highlight prime D Rob's uniquely awesome skillset. A skillset that was once again overlooked when Duncan took on the role of offensive alpha, despite providing superstar impact on a Championship team.

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Re: Wembanyama. I'm concerned 

Post#1973 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Mon Jan 6, 2025 7:58 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
HotRocks34 wrote:Robinson was older than Wemby as a rookie but he put up:

24/12/2/1/3
26 PER; .241 WS48; 6.9 BPM
ROY
6th in MVP voting

Robinson was a freak.

Part of the problem for him was that Jordan and Olajuwon were around.


Indeed.

David Robinson is largely forgotten as an all time great...for whatever reason.

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He was great, but in the context of Victor, he was 24 as a rookie.
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Post#1974 » by DwayneSchintzus » Mon Jan 6, 2025 9:33 pm

GeorgeMarcus wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:
jdzimme3 wrote:

24/12/3/3 in the playoffs pre Duncan. Acting like robinson was some kinda bum in the playoffs is totally overblown.

It's hard to be especially efficient when you are constantly double teamed and carrying the load on defense.



Yeah, I'm fairly certain the poster above, like most current Real GMers, isn't old enough to remember how bad those Spurs rosters were pre-Tim Duncan.

If you think the Denver Nuggets are failing prime Jokic by failing to put a competitive group around him...Spurs were arguably even worse than that in the early to mid-90s.

And they still averaged more than 50 wins per season during that stretch. Because David Robinson was just that dominant..

D Rob was an impact legend. The series against Houston probably did more damage to his reputation than any playoff series has to any player. It's unfortunate because his style of play differed from Olajuwon's in that he wasn't as much of a 'give him the ball and let him work' type nor was his defensive impact captured as a ball stopper/man defender. He was a GOAT level roll man with a good enough shot to attract defenders away from the basket, and a GOAT level rim protector/help defender. Arguably the most imposing physical specimen the league has seen.

In that sense, Olajuwon scoring more head to head should have come as no surprise. We fans have a tendency to downplay the complexity of the game and latch onto narratives as if the Dream-Admiral spectacle occurred in a vacuum. It's a shame the Spurs couldn't build a better supporting cast to highlight prime D Rob's uniquely awesome skillset. A skillset that was once again overlooked when Duncan took on the role of offensive alpha, despite providing superstar impact on a Championship team.

#JusticeForDRob


I was 19 watching this series, born and raised in SA.

I have rewatched the series a few times over the years, this was the most painful series for me for a long time because we really had a chance to win the title for the first time. It ranks up there with the 2004 Lakers series, the 2006 Dallas series and obviously the 2013 Finals for biggest missed opportunity.

i know Hakeem torched him. None of this is to denigrate what the Rockets did, because they absolutely punched us in the mouth and took our lunch money that series.

i think what gets missed is the context of what was going on with the Spurs during that series - especially Dennis Rodman, widely recognized as one of the greatest defenders of all time. The year before, he was flying out to party with Madonna between playoff games vs. the Jazz. In 1995, he was rebelling against Bob Hill by ignoring defensive assignments to chase rebounds and removing his shoes and socks when he subbed out. When Hill tried to sub him back in, he'd take 5 minutes to put his socks and shoes back on.

If he was such a great defender - and he was - why didn't he do anything about Olajuwon? Hakeem was maybe 2 inches taller than him, and we would later see him defending Shawn Kemp, Karl Malone and even Shaq in high leverage situations.

You can't change the past, but David was getting swarmed with virtually no help on offense, and on defense he was guarding Hakeem one-on-one with no help.
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Post#1975 » by Drakeem » Mon Jan 6, 2025 10:36 pm

BigGargamel wrote:
UglyBugBall wrote:
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Wembanyama is coming but not yet. Joker and SGA are currently the two best players in the NBA, and I would put Giannis up there as well. After that though, you could make a case for Wemby.


Huh? You're seriously saying you'd take SGA for a playoff run over Luka?


:lol:

That's not what I said at all whatsoever but okay. If it makes you happy, sure.
If he was the better player (signified by you saying two best players in the NBA), then you should be picking him in a playoff run.
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Post#1976 » by nomansland » Mon Jan 6, 2025 10:54 pm

There are some young stars that are hard to cheer for. Wemby is not one of them. He's extremely good, competitive, not a whiner or d***head, and respectful of the competition.

Having watched these past two games I am in awe of what he can do on the court and am both jealous and happy for the Spurs for having drafted him.

This kid is one of a kind and will go down as one of the best ever to play the game.
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Post#1977 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Jan 7, 2025 12:03 am

Now these are the types of insights I've come to appreciate on this board.

Thanks you so much for sharing. :bowdown:
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I was 19 watching this series, born and raised in SA.

I have rewatched the series a few times over the years, this was the most painful series for me for a long time because we really had a chance to win the title for the first time.
Spoiler:
It ranks up there with the 2004 Lakers series, the 2006 Dallas series and obviously the 2013 Finals for biggest missed opportunity.

i know Hakeem torched him. None of this is to denigrate what the Rockets did, because they absolutely punched us in the mouth and took our lunch money that series.

i think what gets missed is the context of what was going on with the Spurs during that series - especially Dennis Rodman, widely recognized as one of the greatest defenders of all time. The year before, he was flying out to party with Madonna between games vs. the Jazz. In 1995, he was rebelling against Bob Hill by ignoring defensive assignments to chase rebounds and removing his shoes and socks when he subbed out. When Hill tried to sub him back in, he'd take 5 minutes to put his socks and shoes back on.

If he was such a great defender - and he was - why didn't he do anything about Olajuwon? Hakeem was maybe 2 inches taller than him, and we would later see him defending Shawn Kemp, Karl Malone and even Shaq in high leverage situations.

You can't change the past, but David was getting swarmed with virtually no help on offense, and on defense he was guarding Hakeem one-on-one with no help.
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Post#1978 » by jptremblay » Tue Jan 7, 2025 4:33 am

The guy is not only an amazing player, he's also a really nice guy on the court. That right now goes against him cause he's too unselfish and his teammates except Paul don't look enough for him.

Its sad to watch some Spurs games where he barely gets the ball on the paint or close to at the high post, and his scoring numbers relay depending on how good he is with the long range. Today he wasn't getting the ball for several possessions and he was playing the Bulls, so is not like they were denying him a lot. Just plenty of selfish players that look for their numbers taking profit of Wemby's presence.
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Post#1979 » by The-Power » Tue Jan 7, 2025 7:54 am

jptremblay wrote:Its sad to watch some Spurs games where he barely gets the ball on the paint or close to at the high post, and his scoring numbers relay depending on how good he is with the long range. Today he wasn't getting the ball for several possessions and he was playing the Bulls, so is not like they were denying him a lot. Just plenty of selfish players that look for their numbers taking profit of Wemby's presence.

Touches aren't his problems. He's 10th in the entire NBA in front court touches. He's also top 5 in both elbow touches and post-ups. The reason he doesn't get the ball in the paint or close to it even more is mainly because he struggles to reliably establish and hold position, and he himself floats out to the perimeter. Him posting up is also neither efficient offense at the moment, nor is it good for his body and health. The Spurs have a lot of talent and roster composition issues, and last year there was definitely a rough learning curve when it came to playing with Victor for many Spurs – but it's much better this year already, and the remaining issues are rarely a result of selfishness. Let's be fair here (and also understand and acknowledge Victor's shortcomings that stem from his youth).
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Post#1980 » by zimpy27 » Tue Jan 7, 2025 7:57 am

Kobe187 wrote:
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Kobe187 wrote:Wembanyama is a top 5 player at the age of 21, this kid is going to be amazing by the time he’s 24. More points in his first 100 games played than LeBron, KD & Carmelo.


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Them damn Spurs drafting.


Robinson entered the NBA as a 24-year-old rookie with the Spurs though


Then why compare LeBron who came straight from a high school program vs Wemby who had 4 years playing professional ball in Europe?
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