Rockets and Wizards

[ThatBoyNick]

Jeff Green, Jock Landale, Aaron Holiday, 3 future 2nds, cash considerations

for

Malcolm Brogdon, Patrick Baldwin Jr, Anthony Gill


For Hou - Brogdon helps now and could be a potential Fred emergency replacement going forward if things don't work out in the off-season. We could target him with the MLE in the off-season but why not take a shot at the deadline with expirings and 2nds, boost a weak spot this season and see how he jells with the team if possible.

For Wiz - Not a lot of reason to this, not gonna lie. Would essentially need to place very little value in his presence as a vet this year and have no intentions to bring him back (or believe Malcom wouldn't have any). The 2nds are not projected to be good. This would really be doing MB and Hou a solid. Although I'll add A.Holiday, who's familiar with the Wiz, is having a good season and could fill MB's minutes, and the Wiz are in a race for the best lottery odds and this could help.

[Godaddycurse]

if wizards have nothing better on the table then why not?

[psman2]

I don't think anyone is paying a 1st so the eventual trade will be something like this. Even if Brogdon stays he likely sits down the stretch a ton so he is going to have less vet presence anyways.

[nate33]

if wizards have nothing better on the table then why not?

I think the Wizards can find a better return than this for Brogdon. But, yeah, if they can't find anything better, this is better than standing pat.

[nate33]

I don't think anyone is paying a 1st so the eventual trade will be something like this. Even if Brogdon stays he likely sits down the stretch a ton so he is going to have less vet presence anyways.

I think they might be able to find some higher SRP's at least. Or possibly a protected FRP if it is attached to a bad contract.

[psman2]

I don't think anyone is paying a 1st so the eventual trade will be something like this. Even if Brogdon stays he likely sits down the stretch a ton so he is going to have less vet presence anyways.

I think they might be able to find some higher SRP's at least. Or possibly a protected FRP if it is attached to a bad contract.

Good teams that are likely interested in Brogdon usually don't have good 2nds. I think the OP is what to expect. But sure if someone wants to get off bad long term salary then a 1st could be play. But with the amount of money Brogdon makes and the apron rules are going to make that avenue likely a tough option to find.

[jbk1234]

Landale isn't expiring. Someone at least one of those seconds is paying for the Wizards to sacrifice $8M in cap next summer.

[wemby]

I don't think anyone is paying a 1st so the eventual trade will be something like this. Even if Brogdon stays he likely sits down the stretch a ton so he is going to have less vet presence anyways.

I think they might be able to find some higher SRP's at least. Or possibly a protected FRP if it is attached to a bad contract.

They're not going to get 3 GOOD SRPs + expirings, that'd be better than the Nets got for DFS and Schroder. I think Wizards will be lucky to get a single SRP + expirings, and I'm not even sure it'd be a good one.

[wemby]

Landale isn't expiring. Someone at least one of those seconds is paying for the Wizards to sacrifice $8M in cap next summer.

It's non guaranteed, so the same for practical purposes.

[penbeast0]

We are happy to have Brogdon and JV around if no one wants to pay a 1st. Maybe we can make a deal for Kuz or Poole for a 1st, maybe not. If not, we roll it over to next season. We have to pay someone.

[wemby]

We are happy to have Brogdon and JV around if no one wants to pay a 1st. Maybe we can make a deal for Kuz or Poole for a 1st, maybe not. If not, we roll it over to next season. We have to pay someone.

No you don't roll over expirings to next season. You are playing Brogdon so that someone becomes interested in him, once the trade deadline passes if he's still on the Wizards roster he likely becomes a buyout candidate because he's expiring and doesn't help your tank. Also insisting on 2 FRPs for Kuzma is the reason why likely now you can't even get one. And you'd have to pay for someone to take Poole, he's probably the worst player in the league all things considered. This is the kind of take that makes me want to bump it once reality proves what was obvious all along, despite biased opinions to the contrary.

[penbeast0]

Kuz for a 1st is fine, he's been hurt and bad this year so no shock he won't move. We would gladly move any of our non-rookie scale vets for a 1st and will take bad a bad contract to do it. I'd love to move Poole but he's been playing quite well this year and has a big contract so we will probably keep him until he's expiring unless someone falls in love with him.

[Xman]

I would prefer getting Jval for Landale but could combine:

HOU gets - JVal, Brogdon
WAS gets - Tate, Landale, JeffGreen, Holiday (all expiring, non-gaur or team option) - plus however many seconds 4?

JVal/Adams for playoffs as backups would be nice - lots of big body and fouls to throw at Jokic/Davis types.. Brogdon as a just in case - solid.
C - Sengun, Adams, JVal
PF - Jabari, Eason, Amen
SF - Brooks, Amen
SG - JalenGreen, Whitmore
PG - Vleet, Brogdon, Amen, Sheppard

Big minutes - Sengun, Amen, Eason & Jabari when healthy. All young and can handle big minutes while doing well.
Medium minutes until playoffs then as needed - Brooks, Vleet.
Small minutes - Sheppard, Whitmore, Brogdon, Adams, JVal. Rest the older guys and let Sheppard/Whitmore develop when hot or games are not close.

[penbeast0]

Make it a lottery protected 1st and the Wiz will throw you back seconds if needed. We have multiple seconds most years coming up and roster space to develop them will run short. That's why I keep saying we are looking for 1sts for all these guys and if not, then we should just take the cap space and see what can be done with it. 2nds for a useful player and our cap space isn't going to be terribly attractive.

[wemby]

Make it a lottery protected 1st and the Wiz will throw you back seconds if needed. We have multiple seconds most years coming up and roster space to develop them will run short. That's why I keep saying we are looking for 1sts for all these guys and if not, then we should just take the cap space and see what can be done with it. 2nds for a useful player and our cap space isn't going to be terribly attractive.

Yeah, this is the only way I see the Wizards landing a first for those guys. Combine them together and you can get a first from a good team (say, in the 20s). That is much more reasonable.

[MoneyTalks41890]

I don’t think there’s a 1st out there for any of the Wiz guys except Kispert tbh.

[K_chile22]

Bogdan *almost* returned the 30th pick with multiple years left on his deal coming off a much better season than he's put up since. There's just no way he returns a first now when he only barely almost did it back then.
We've seen what his market value was when he was more valuable than he is now

[penbeast0]

I don’t think there’s a 1st out there for any of the Wiz guys except Kispert tbh.

I'd deal Kispert for a first. Poole is having the best year, possibly the best of his career when you consider he's doing it as a first option under defensive focus with Kuzma being in and out this year. If people are still holding last year against him (as I do!) then he may not return a 1st but just this year alone and with his coach extolling his work ethic and leadership, he could pull one.

JV has been great in limited minutes, Kuzma before this year showed a lot, Brogdon is a solid player when healthy. JV and Kuzma are on very team friendly deals, Brogdon is a short commitment. Alone or combined and with a willingness to take back bad contracts and throw in seconds, we hope (not necessarily expect) to get 1sts for them as well.