Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions

[MickeyDavis]

GAD is this just a gut feel on your part or is this something real you have heard?

He gave specific names and it was a very matter of fact relaying of a story, so it'd be the latter I'm sure.

I don't know if GAD has "inside sources" but the info he gives is always solid.

[raferfenix]

Pretty ridiculous Jimmy made a thing about how he'd go anywhere else but is torpedoing a would-be contender in Memphis.

Will judge him for that -- unless he's trying to force his way to the Bucks, in which case all will be forgiven.

Haynes is very plugged in to our franchise so it's curious he didn't mention us here either way.

This sure seems like confirmation Gambo's report is accurate too.

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[raferfenix]

And now this:

"We have a big problem here because Jimmy Butler isn't going to extend with any team," said Windhorst on First Take on Tuesday. "Because teams know that, they are offering the Heat right now the poo poo platter.

"There's only one team that's ready to pay Jimmy Butler exactly what he wants and that's the Phoenix Suns."

Butler is on a seven-game suspension and the Heat expect him to play for them again when it concludes assuming he is not traded by then.

"We are at a genuine stalemate," said Windhorst. "I don't know how it's going to play out. The Heat are preparing internally for this to last past suspension. Not because they have some sort of sinister motive but because they know what offers they've gotten and they stink."

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/278685/Suns-Only-Team-Ready-To-Pay-Jimmy-Butler-Contract-He-Seeks

[randy84]

Something that works. You could probably use Wiz or Detroit with salary filler.

Heat: Middleton, Portis, Baldwin Jr.
Bucks: Butler
Wizards: Connaughton, 2031 pick

[MickeyDavis]

So now he wants to be a FA this summer. I didn't want to extend him anyway and for a 1/2 season rental that may or may not work out, no thanks.

[randy84]

So now he wants to be a FA this summer. I didn't want to extend him anyway and for a 1/2 season rental that may or may not work out, no thanks.

Gary Payton all over again.

[Bernman]

Sounds like a good reason to trade Middleton and Brook.

But you get a lot less for them. It's going to be tough to get a young core player while also having sufficient depth, trading those two players.

On Khris, you're also selling arbitrarily low, imo. Historically, ankle issues are temporary albatrosses for players, not long-term ones. And Khris, even when he's healthy, is one of the most underrated players in history.

Pre-determining you're not going to trade Dame because of some nostalgia about his acquisition, or his name, is handcuffing. If you don't do it eventually, you have to try w/ Middleton, for the long-term pieces. I just don't know how realistic that is.

And the Butler trade would only compound the problem. It's going in the wrong direction.

[paulpressey25]

So now he wants to be a FA this summer. I didn't want to extend him anyway and for a 1/2 season rental that may or may not work out, no thanks.

For Midds and Bobby and Pat and the 2031?

I might do it. Allows us a reset on payroll if it doesn’t work.

[MickeyDavis]

Trading for Butler, having him leave this summer and having cap space to sign some significant talent would be one thing, but I don't believe we'd have much cap space anyway. Not sure though.

[JayMKE]

I would imagine Jimmy would be really excited about coming to Milwaukee and fit in really well personality wise with team & fanbase, I def can buy it being one his top desired destinations. Team is already old, maxxed out, 2nd apron'd, with little assets to improve the team so tripling down with Jimmy has way more upside than downside IMO.

[paulpressey25]

Haynes: A few teams have been told not to trade for Butler. He mentions Memphis, says there are a few others, doesn't say who.

Since this is Haynes we can probably deduce Milwaukee isn’t on his no trade list. Otherwise Haynes would have reported it.

I wonder if Jimmy wants Milwaukee as his second choice and is going to leverage his way here or to the Suns.

[Bernman]

So now he wants to be a FA this summer. I didn't want to extend him anyway and for a 1/2 season rental that may or may not work out, no thanks.

For Midds and Bobby and Pat and the 2031?

I might do it. Allows us a reset on payroll if it doesn’t work.

Middleton could well not pick up his option, & Bobby won't or he'll be traded. So it would just unload Pat. It's not much of an additional reset. Not worth sinking 3 assets into a half season rental that may destroy chemistry on & of court.

[soxperry]

If you are trying to force yourself to one team, it makes perfect sense to get word out that you wont re sign with anyone (provided you can relay to that one team that youll do a deal w them)

Can we stop and just think about something though?

I like Jimmy more than Khris at the moment simply because hes more healthy and can theoretically play better defense. But is Jimmy a good fit between Dame and Giannis? I know hes not heliocentric but can he play off ball?

[randy84]

Sounds like a good reason to trade Middleton and Brook.

But you get a lot less for them. It's going to be tough to get a young core player while also having sufficient depth, trading those two players.

On Khris, you're also selling arbitrarily low, imo. Historically, ankle issues are temporary albatrosses for players, not long-term ones. And Khris, even when he's healthy, is one of the most underrated players in history.

Pre-determining you're not going to trade Dame because of some nostalgia about his acquisition, or his name, is handcuffing. If you don't do it eventually, you have to try w/ Middleton, for the long-term pieces. I just don't know how realistic that is.

And the Butler trade would only compound the problem. It's going in the wrong direction.

If you aren't going to get much for Khris this year, then you are going to get even less in future years. He has only been able to play half seasons and is on constant load management. This wears down the other guys who have to pick up the slack by his absences.

If the Bucks keep him this year, then either he declines his player option and you have to pay him next year or he walks for nothing. If he picks up his player option, then it may hurt the Bucks ability to make move next year.
I do agree that nostalgia is a hell of a drug. It ain't 2021 anymore.

[WeMajor34]

With the new Haynes and Windy reports, it sounds like it may be Phoenix or bust.

That’s what it sounds like. This could be another Dame situation where Dame preferred Miami but he was good with going to Milwaukee. The same thing could be happening with Butler.

It is telling that he completely shut down Memphis. I’m sure his camp saw the Gambo rumors yesterday and wanted to squash the Memphis part. But not Milwaukee.

Could also just be Horst not wanting Milwaukee’s pursuit to be fully out there because of team chemistry reasons.

It’s genuinely fun to keep up with the rumor mill. Looks like we might actually shake things up and not stay complacent like last deadline.

[MickeyDavis]

So now he wants to be a FA this summer. I didn't want to extend him anyway and for a 1/2 season rental that may or may not work out, no thanks.

For Midds and Bobby and Pat and the 2031?

I might do it. Allows us a reset on payroll if it doesn’t work.

Middleton could well not pick up his option, & Bobby won't or he'll be traded. So it would just unload Pat. It's not much of an additional reset. Not worth sinking 3 assets into a half season rental that may destroy chemistry on & of court.

No doubt Middleton wants an extension now. He could decline his PO but I don't know what he'd get in the open market. He won't want to pick up his option and be a free agent a year from now.

DO NOT give Khris an extension, unless it's for a bargain price.

[Ron Swanson]

I don't believe for a second that he's automatically declining his $52 million player option at 35-36 years old. You guys can decide if that's a good or bad thing.

[paulpressey25]

Trading for Butler, having him leave this summer and having cap space to sign some significant talent would be one thing, but I don't believe we'd have much cap space anyway. Not sure though.

Don’t see anyone paying 36 year old Jimmy the $52 million he’s owed next year. Nor giving him a $200mm extension. And most teams don’t have that type of cap room.

We’d hold a lot of cards to retain him.

[WeMajor34]

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[JayMKE]

I don't believe for a second that he's automatically declining his $52 million player option at 35-36 years old. You guys can decide if that's a good or bad thing.

Yeah I think he's just leveraging where he goes, I think he mostly doesn't want to be traded somewhere irrelevant and is lowering his value so he can be traded to a contender.

seems like its a no brainer for Phoenix if its gets Beal out of there