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[ShootingtheJ]

I was gonna say, how funny/depressing would it be if we just end up being the 3rd team that takes Beal?

So if Jimmy is forcing his way to Phoenix, and no one will take Beal, does Phoenix move Booker? Like Booker and Nurkic for Jimmy and a new center?

I can't see it. They'll only move Booker when they finally blow it up to replenish some draft stock. At least, that would be the non-insane thing to do. Although who knows? I mean, we know Bud loves Brook....

Tough to make the money when for Brook, but how about Bobby?

Suns send Grayson to Pistons, with us both sending draft compensation to Detroit. We get Duren, and get under the 2nd apron.

[Badgerlander]

Brings us Ryan Dunn and Ighodaro then lol

[JayMKE]

I think Jimmy would be a good fit in Phoenix especially relative to Beal, them being willing to pay Jimmy I think is the main determining factor here tho. Obvious Jimmy want to get paid, I think he'd play hard as a rental just to stick it to everybody and secure the bag but that's definitely not his preference.

[DingleJerry]

Been two years since KD demanded a trade, just saying. He has to know he's not getting a title there and his clock is ticking

[randy84]

Would Beal even want to come here?

Im trying to see if there is a 2026 play here for Miami but it looks like FA class is really weak. Even if they tank the next 1.5 years, who could they get? Does Luka have any interest in Miami? Would he lose money by going the FA route?
Tanking this year, their floor is probably 8th spot in the lottery (assuming PHX and Philly try to make the playoffs at some point), which is ~25% chance at a top 4 pick.

Miami isn't really a place that tanks. They have the ability to draw too many FAs to tank. Financial flexibility I could see as being benefit though.

[Daver]

Isnt this kinda sorta the dame trade 2.0 either one had a no trade clause dame wanted only miami no one else butler wanted phx no one else.Only difference is dame had 4 years of a contract left butler is a FA after this year

[Daver]

Butler has zero leaverage just like dane had on where he ends up

[averageposter]

If you told me we would try to shake the core up around Giannis but get older I probably would have said, How?

[raferfenix]

Is it possible we're not even offering the 2031 first in the Jimmy package?

At the least I could see us requiring Miami to send a second or two to a third team helping us drop Connaughton.

"We are at a genuine stalemate," said Windhorst. "I don't know how it's going to play out. The Heat are preparing internally for this to last past suspension. Not because they have some sort of sinister motive but because they know what offers they've gotten and they stink."

Butler can't just walk this summer. We'd either support a sign and trade to a preferred destination or we're looking at a 'James Harden opts in and demands a trade only to the Clippers scenario'.

Yes we stared down Dame and the Raptors came out ahead with Kawhi but this level of drama certainly gets calculated into the equation.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Would Beal even want to come here?

Im trying to see if there is a 2026 play here for Miami but it looks like FA class is really weak. Even if they tank the next 1.5 years, who could they get? Does Luka have any interest in Miami? Would he lose money by going the FA route?
Tanking this year, their floor is probably 8th spot in the lottery (assuming PHX and Philly try to make the playoffs at some point), which is ~25% chance at a top 4 pick.

Miami isn't really a place that tanks. They have the ability to draw too many FAs to tank. Financial flexibility I could see as being benefit though.

I just don't see them being a draw with herro, an aging bam and cap space. Luka is the only FA I can see available. I don't disagree Miami is a Top 3 FA destination but who is actually available? whereas if in 2026 they have the cap space to offer Luka and have the #1-2 pick available to trade to a Central Division team with a super star on the last year of his deal and no other assets, you might have something.

[ShootingtheJ]

Been two years since KD demanded a trade, just saying. He has to know he's not getting a title there and his clock is ticking

Does he care about a title anymore? I thought the last trade was just to control where he lived.

[Frank Nova]

I had figured Jimmy Butler lost the clown routine by coming out and claiming he just wanted out of Miami and was willing to go hard after a title wherever he landed.. now he’s making demands and trying to force his way to a specific destination, Phoenix of all places?

Jimmy Butler pretty much got Bud fired from Milwaukee. It was the series Butler single handedly mopped up Jrue Holiday and everything Bud threw at him that didn’t work and ultimately got him canned. Now he’s only willing to go play for him?

I’ll never understand that type of stuff. KD, Booker, Royce O’Neal, Monte Morris and some rookies is your preferred destination? Thats honestly laughable. **** Jimmy Butler if that’s true.

[humanrefutation]

Would Beal even want to come here?

Im trying to see if there is a 2026 play here for Miami but it looks like FA class is really weak. Even if they tank the next 1.5 years, who could they get? Does Luka have any interest in Miami? Would he lose money by going the FA route?
Tanking this year, their floor is probably 8th spot in the lottery (assuming PHX and Philly try to make the playoffs at some point), which is ~25% chance at a top 4 pick.

Miami isn't really a place that tanks. They have the ability to draw too many FAs to tank. Financial flexibility I could see as being benefit though.

I just don't see them being a draw with herro, an aging bam and cap space. Luka is the only FA I can see available. I don't disagree Miami is a Top 3 FA destination but who is actually available? whereas if in 2026 they have the cap space to offer Luka and have the #1-2 pick available to trade to a Central Division team with a super star on the last year of his deal and no other assets, you might have something.

South Beach is the draw.

[pifhluk23]

Just read a tweet that the Heat lose 2 unprotected 1sts in the next 4 years if they don't make the playoffs.

[DingleJerry]

If the recent reports that Mia is getting trash offers is true, the type of things Ron here has been theorizing would likely be the top offer as of now

[MickeyDavis]

Just read a tweet that the Heat lose 2 unprotected 1sts in the next 4 years if they don't make the playoffs.

MIA's 1st round pick to OKC protected for selections 1-14 in 2025 and unprotected in 2026 (via LAC) [LAC-MIA, 7/6/2019; LAC-OKC, 7/10/2019; MIA-OKC, 2/9/2022]

MIA's 1st round pick to CHA protected for selections 1-14 in 2027, conveyable if MIA conveys a 1st round pick to OKC in 2025, and unprotected in 2028 [CHA-MIA, 1/23/2024]

[Daver]

If the recent reports that Mia is getting trash offers is true, the type of things Ron here has been theorizing would likely be the top offer as of now

If the bucks have to do midds/ portis/ ? for butler then i think its definitely the best package.Good thing is if bucks trade for butler n ge bolts did the bucks just save 49 million on the cap n that isnt counting lopez either

[pifhluk23]

If the recent reports that Mia is getting trash offers is true, the type of things Ron here has been theorizing would likely be the top offer as of now

Even if Riley got a great deal, I'd wager he'd leak "all offers are trash" first.

In terms of the Heat making the playoffs, our offer has to be close to the best. Middleton/Portis/Lopez/AJJ/Green/GTJ/Prince whatever combo of that I'd imagine is better than whatever PHX can put together.

[raferfenix]

Finding a team to take Beal period even aside from whether he'd agree to go is the biggest impediment I'm seeing for the Suns.

They'd have to give up players / contracts Miami wants too.

Is there a bigger albatross in the NBA?

Zach LaVine is paid less, two years younger and doesn't have a no-trade clause.

[-Jragon-]

If you are trying to force yourself to one team, it makes perfect sense to get word out that you wont re sign with anyone (provided you can relay to that one team that youll do a deal w them)

Can we stop and just think about something though?

I like Jimmy more than Khris at the moment simply because hes more healthy and can theoretically play better defense. But is Jimmy a good fit between Dame and Giannis? I know hes not heliocentric but can he play off ball?

Butler has grown into a glue guy that sets up his teammates to their strengths like LBJ.. Dame is trying to get there rn. Because of that, Butler wont be a bad fit on any team and also still can dominate parts of games and get to the line at will -- which is important in winning playoff games. Also, he's not settling for bad shots and won't let his teammates take bad shots.