Bears 9.0: Thomas Brown HC audition, offseason/draft prep

[Betta Bulleavit]

Good point- but apparently he rubbed the commish the wrong way and he was involved in several controversies while there. I know here in SF they couldn't wait to get rid of him, even though he was winning.

As a 49ers fan. No the fans did not want to get rid of him. Jed York (the owner) was like 35 and new to being in charge and was super immature about things. I think even he said he handled everything wrong at the time. Is he always easy to get along with no. But its overstated in wearing out his welcome. Ironically York sided with Trent Baalke (current hated Jacksonville GM) over Harbaugh.

From reports I read in the papers here, even the players wanted Harbaugh out at the end of his time in SF. "everyone in the building" was tired of him, was how I think one of the beat reporters put it.

I recall this as well. They felt like he handled the Kap situation poorly and that he also had the tendency to mismanage in critical moments. It wasn’t all of the players. But there was a fracture in that locker room and it was believed that Harbaugh was a major factor in that.

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Good point- but apparently he rubbed the commish the wrong way and he was involved in several controversies while there. I know here in SF they couldn't wait to get rid of him, even though he was winning.

As a 49ers fan. No the fans did not want to get rid of him. Jed York (the owner) was like 35 and new to being in charge and was super immature about things. I think even he said he handled everything wrong at the time. Is he always easy to get along with no. But its overstated in wearing out his welcome. Ironically York sided with Trent Baalke (current hated Jacksonville GM) over Harbaugh.

From reports I read in the papers here, even the players wanted Harbaugh out at the end of his time in SF. "everyone in the building" was tired of him, was how I think one of the beat reporters put it.

That was a down year for the team kind of like this season. The deep playoff runs caught up to them and they finished 8-8 and that current team was completely done after that going 5-11 and 2-14 with one and done coaches. It was a messy organization with the GM and Ownership not helping in the slightest. Jed said he was gone even if he won the Superbowl, pretty dumb thing to say but that's where they were. He was tweeting after every game about how they needed to do better. Just wasn't a good situation for anyone.

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As a 49ers fan. No the fans did not want to get rid of him. Jed York (the owner) was like 35 and new to being in charge and was super immature about things. I think even he said he handled everything wrong at the time. Is he always easy to get along with no. But its overstated in wearing out his welcome. Ironically York sided with Trent Baalke (current hated Jacksonville GM) over Harbaugh.

From reports I read in the papers here, even the players wanted Harbaugh out at the end of his time in SF. "everyone in the building" was tired of him, was how I think one of the beat reporters put it.

I recall this as well. They felt like he handled the Kap situation poorly and that he also had the tendency to mismanage in critical moments. It wasn’t all of the players. But there was a fracture in that locker room and it was believed that Harbaugh was a major factor in that.

FYI Harbaugh was not the HC when Kap started Kneeling.

[Betta Bulleavit]

From reports I read in the papers here, even the players wanted Harbaugh out at the end of his time in SF. "everyone in the building" was tired of him, was how I think one of the beat reporters put it.

I recall this as well. They felt like he handled the Kap situation poorly and that he also had the tendency to mismanage in critical moments. It wasn’t all of the players. But there was a fracture in that locker room and it was believed that Harbaugh was a major factor in that.

FYI Harbaugh was not the HC when Kap started Kneeling.

Yep, I stand corrected there. There was an nfl.com article that I had read and I thought it mentioned the kneeling part. But that was after Harbaugh’s time. However, there were players that felt a type of way about Jim and thought he was a factor in what was considered a fractured locker room at the time.

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I mean they've gotten it wrong time after time. Why now would they make the right choice?

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Raiders are now in the market for a head coach as well.

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I mean they've gotten it wrong time after time. Why now would they make the right choice?

If they can avoid the media and fan machine and simply trust in their own processes and evaluation, I actually have faith that they will get this right.

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I mean they've gotten it wrong time after time. Why now would they make the right choice?

If they can avoid the media and fan machine and simply trust in their own processes and evaluation, I actually have faith that they will get this right.

I wish I felt the same way, not sure how you have that faith in them lol. Hopefully they get it right. And to add to the conversation we had earlier, I'm not a big Herd fan, but he just expressed how I feel about this process better than I did.

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I mean they've gotten it wrong time after time. Why now would they make the right choice?

If they can avoid the media and fan machine and simply trust in their own processes and evaluation, I actually have faith that they will get this right.

I wish I felt the same way, not sure how you have that faith in them lol. Hopefully they get it right. And to add to the conversation we had earlier, I'm not a big Herd fan, but he just expressed how I feel about this process better than I did.

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Right now, the Bears are a team that’s easy to mash on because we have gotten so many things wrong over the past decade plus.

However, if you listen to what Greeny said, it’s actually a bit contradictory. He claims that he sees this as a good team. He claims Williams to be an enormous talent. Here’s the thing, everything about what this roster is can be directly attributed to Poles. So if you believe in the team that he’s built, perhaps you can believe in his ability to hire the right coach to lead his team.

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Half of those names should not be there.
Poles
King
Warren

The other three need to GTFO of the room. Hell, I'm iffy on Warren being there.

The Bears still think their methods are sound.

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Ryan Poles didn’t know his team culture sucked. Ryan Poles didn’t understand the disruption and stress on his rookie quarterback this season. BTW which was Poles’ work. Or he is playing dumb. Hard to believe this is the guy that’s going to fix the teamwreck he was the captain of.

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If they can avoid the media and fan machine and simply trust in their own processes and evaluation, I actually have faith that they will get this right.

I wish I felt the same way, not sure how you have that faith in them lol. Hopefully they get it right. And to add to the conversation we had earlier, I'm not a big Herd fan, but he just expressed how I feel about this process better than I did.

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Right now, the Bears are a team that’s easy to mash on because we have gotten so many things wrong over the past decade plus.

However, if you listen to what Greeny said, it’s actually a bit contradictory. He claims that he sees this as a good team. He claims Williams to be an enormous talent. Here’s the thing, everything about what this roster is can be directly attributed to Poles. So if you believe in the team that he’s built, perhaps you can believe in his ability to hire the right coach to lead his team.

Poles has done a decent job with the roster,. But why would I trust his coach hiring after what I've seen the last couple seasons? And its not even just him. Its those other guys who might be meddling with the process.

Anyways, I just don't like how they are going about this process. Doesn't inspire much confidence in me.

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So just to make clear on this, the objective of this thread is no longer to talk about what the Bears could or may do. It’s more so to join the media bash session about how they will screw this thing up. Am I right?

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So just to make clear on this, the objective of this thread is no longer to talk about what the Bears could or may do. It’s more so to join the media bash session about how they will screw this thing up. Am I right?

I'd say anything Bears is up for discussion no?

Poles should have it narrowed down by now. He is acting like a first time GM. Oh wait....

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I mean they've gotten it wrong time after time. Why now would they make the right choice?

If they can avoid the media and fan machine and simply trust in their own processes and evaluation, I actually have faith that they will get this right.

I wish I felt the same way, not sure how you have that faith in them lol. Hopefully they get it right. And to add to the conversation we had earlier, I'm not a big Herd fan, but he just expressed how I feel about this process better than I did.

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Faith: A firm belief even in the absence of proof.

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I found this pretty notable. When asked what would happen if the Bears' desired head coach wanted a different GM, Poles said that he believed he should not respond to that "hypothetical," but he didn't say so in the way people often dodge by saying "I'm not going to answer hypotheticals" because they are hypothetical, but seemingly more like he realized he just shouldn't answer that question.

It sure seems like it's not 100% ruled out, and it shouldn't be, but that's gotta be a tough response for Poles. You have to remember Poles is not Warren's guy, so it sure seems possible Warren might make a recommendation to McCaskey to fire Poles if it got them the right head coach. And now that's out there before the Bears start interviewing.

[Betta Bulleavit]

So just to make clear on this, the objective of this thread is no longer to talk about what the Bears could or may do. It’s more so to join the media bash session about how they will screw this thing up. Am I right?

I'd say anything Bears is up for discussion no?

Poles should have it narrowed down by now. He is acting like a first time GM. Oh wait....

But how do we know that he doesn’t?!?!?! He can have as narrow of a list as he wants. But as of now, at least 6 teams have HC vacancies. You need to plan for if your short list doesn’t come through. Therefore, it’d make sense to request permission to speak with a wide array of candidates….even if you don’t necessarily plan to have to interview them all. Guys, we are 1 day into the off season and the piss and moan meter is already broken here.

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So just to make clear on this, the objective of this thread is no longer to talk about what the Bears could or may do. It’s more so to join the media bash session about how they will screw this thing up. Am I right?

I'd say anything Bears is up for discussion no?

Poles should have it narrowed down by now. He is acting like a first time GM. Oh wait....

But how do we know that he doesn’t?!?!?! He can have as narrow of a list as he wants. But as of now, at least 6 teams have HC vacancies. You need to plan for if your short list doesn’t come through. Therefore, it’d make sense to request permission to speak with a wide array of candidates….even if you don’t necessarily plan to have to interview them all. Guys, we are 1 day into the off season and the piss and moan meter is already broken here.

Who are you, Elon Musk?

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I agree with him. It's not necessary. How many of the teams currently looking for HC's are also going to get a new GM, or extend their GM's to align with the coaches?