Bears 9.0: Thomas Brown HC audition, offseason/draft prep

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

So just to make clear on this, the objective of this thread is no longer to talk about what the Bears could or may do. It’s more so to join the media bash session about how they will screw this thing up. Am I right?

I'd say anything Bears is up for discussion no?

Poles should have it narrowed down by now. He is acting like a first time GM. Oh wait....

But how do we know that he doesn’t?!?!?! He can have as narrow of a list as he wants. But as of now, at least 6 teams have HC vacancies. You need to plan for if your short list doesn’t come through. Therefore, it’d make sense to request permission to speak with a wide array of candidates….even if you don’t necessarily plan to have to interview them all. Guys, we are 1 day into the off season and the piss and moan meter is already broken here.

Because he is wasting time on a dozen other bums. Those guys will be available anytime after you strike out with the big boys. But if you do strike out just get your cardboard box ready because you messed up.

[jnrjr79]

Yikes

Read on Twitter

I agree with him. It's not necessary. How many of the teams currently looking for HC's are also going to get a new GM, or extend their GM's to align with the coaches?

Do we know whether any teams with openings now have GMs entering a lame duck season? I don't off the top of my head, one way or the other.

[Dresden]

Yikes

Read on Twitter

I agree with him. It's not necessary. How many of the teams currently looking for HC's are also going to get a new GM, or extend their GM's to align with the coaches?

Do we know whether any teams with openings now have GMs entering a lame duck season? I don't off the top of my head, one way or the other.

This whole "alignment" thing just sounds like a bunch of nonsense to me. If a coach is that skittish about taking a job because he and the GM don't have contracts that run out at the same time, well, time to move on to the next candidate.

[Jcool0]

Yikes

Read on Twitter

I agree with him. It's not necessary. How many of the teams currently looking for HC's are also going to get a new GM, or extend their GM's to align with the coaches?

That is how you end up firing 3 GMs and 5 HCs in 13 years.

[Dresden]

Yikes

Read on Twitter

I agree with him. It's not necessary. How many of the teams currently looking for HC's are also going to get a new GM, or extend their GM's to align with the coaches?

That is how you end up firing 3 GMs and 5 HCs in 13 years.

They went through that many because they weren't winning. Not because contracts weren't aligned. At least that's my opinion. There's nothing about having contracts aligned that means you'll have better outcomes, IMO. They went through that many people because they kept picking the wrong guys. Hopefully this is a new regime, and they will get it right this time. I don't go in for all the hand wringing about "oh no, they're doing it again!". Let's let it play out and see what happens before we jump off the bridge.

[Betta Bulleavit]

I'd say anything Bears is up for discussion no?

Poles should have it narrowed down by now. He is acting like a first time GM. Oh wait....

But how do we know that he doesn’t?!?!?! He can have as narrow of a list as he wants. But as of now, at least 6 teams have HC vacancies. You need to plan for if your short list doesn’t come through. Therefore, it’d make sense to request permission to speak with a wide array of candidates….even if you don’t necessarily plan to have to interview them all. Guys, we are 1 day into the off season and the piss and moan meter is already broken here.

Because he is wasting time on a dozen other bums. Those guys will be available anytime after you strike out with the big boys. But if you do strike out just get your cardboard box ready because you messed up.

It’s important to note the difference between the guys that the Bears are interviewing versus those that they are requesting permission to speak with. They are interviewing Vrabel. They are going to interview Johnson as examples. Just because they are requesting permission to talk to guys doesn’t mean they plan to interview all of them.

[Betta Bulleavit]

I agree with him. It's not necessary. How many of the teams currently looking for HC's are also going to get a new GM, or extend their GM's to align with the coaches?

That is how you end up firing 3 GMs and 5 HCs in 13 years.

They went through that many because they weren't winning. Not because contracts weren't aligned. At least that's my opinion. There's nothing about having contracts aligned that means you'll have better outcomes, IMO. They went through that many people because they kept picking the wrong guys. Hopefully this is a new regime, and they will get it right this time. I don't go in for all the hand wringing about "oh no, they're doing it again!". Let's let it play out and see what happens before we jump off the bridge.

+1000.

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

But how do we know that he doesn’t?!?!?! He can have as narrow of a list as he wants. But as of now, at least 6 teams have HC vacancies. You need to plan for if your short list doesn’t come through. Therefore, it’d make sense to request permission to speak with a wide array of candidates….even if you don’t necessarily plan to have to interview them all. Guys, we are 1 day into the off season and the piss and moan meter is already broken here.

Because he is wasting time on a dozen other bums. Those guys will be available anytime after you strike out with the big boys. But if you do strike out just get your cardboard box ready because you messed up.

It’s important to note the difference between the guys that the Bears are interviewing versus those that they are requesting permission to speak with. They are interviewing Vrabel. They are going to interview Johnson as examples. Just because they are requesting permission to talk to guys doesn’t mean they plan to interview all of them.

I mean what do you do in an interview? You talk to a guy.

I wish I had the same opinion on this as you but unfortunately I can't lie to myself

Hopefully it all just works out and we get our guy before someone else does.

[Jcool0]

I agree with him. It's not necessary. How many of the teams currently looking for HC's are also going to get a new GM, or extend their GM's to align with the coaches?

That is how you end up firing 3 GMs and 5 HCs in 13 years.

They went through that many because they weren't winning. Not because contracts weren't aligned. At least that's my opinion. There's nothing about having contracts aligned that means you'll have better outcomes, IMO. They went through that many people because they kept picking the wrong guys. Hopefully this is a new regime, and they will get it right this time. I don't go in for all the hand wringing about "oh no, they're doing it again!". Let's let it play out and see what happens before we jump off the bridge.

Um its not. This is the GM who picked the last coach and the ownership that has been here since the early 80s and the current managing owner since 2011.

[Dresden]

Matt LaFleur takes some blame:

“At the end of the game, that’s squarely on me. Got caught in a situation where we were planning on going for it. They felt like Brandon could make that field goal. Hindsight is 20/20, I wish I wouldn’t have taken that timeout. It gave them way too much time to go down and operate. Like I told the team, that’s on me, that can’t happen.”

[Dresden]

That is how you end up firing 3 GMs and 5 HCs in 13 years.

They went through that many because they weren't winning. Not because contracts weren't aligned. At least that's my opinion. There's nothing about having contracts aligned that means you'll have better outcomes, IMO. They went through that many people because they kept picking the wrong guys. Hopefully this is a new regime, and they will get it right this time. I don't go in for all the hand wringing about "oh no, they're doing it again!". Let's let it play out and see what happens before we jump off the bridge.

Um its not. This is the GM who picked the last coach and the ownership that has been here since the early 80s and the current managing owner since 2011.

Kevin Warren is new, and this is Poles first chance to truly pick his HC. Even if he did have input on Eberflus, I think a GM is allowed one mistake. I'm just willing to wait and see what happens before declaring it's another disaster.

[Jcool0]

They went through that many because they weren't winning. Not because contracts weren't aligned. At least that's my opinion. There's nothing about having contracts aligned that means you'll have better outcomes, IMO. They went through that many people because they kept picking the wrong guys. Hopefully this is a new regime, and they will get it right this time. I don't go in for all the hand wringing about "oh no, they're doing it again!". Let's let it play out and see what happens before we jump off the bridge.

Um its not. This is the GM who picked the last coach and the ownership that has been here since the early 80s and the current managing owner since 2011.

Kevin Warren is new, and this is Poles first chance to truly pick his HC. Even if he did have input on Eberflus, I think a GM is allowed one mistake. I'm just willing to wait and see what happens before declaring it's another disaster.

Kevin "no thanks Harbaugh" Warren brought in the build a new stadium and has made zero progress on that other then to say "shovels in dirt in 2025". If that is your hope... Good luck...

[Betta Bulleavit]

Because he is wasting time on a dozen other bums. Those guys will be available anytime after you strike out with the big boys. But if you do strike out just get your cardboard box ready because you messed up.

It’s important to note the difference between the guys that the Bears are interviewing versus those that they are requesting permission to speak with. They are interviewing Vrabel. They are going to interview Johnson as examples. Just because they are requesting permission to talk to guys doesn’t mean they plan to interview all of them.

I mean what do you do in an interview? You talk to a guy.

I wish I had the same opinion on this as you but unfortunately I can't lie to myself

Hopefully it all just works out and we get our guy before someone else does.

No, what I’m saying is that it’s smart to preemptively request to speak to with certain potential candidates so that if your short list doesn’t pan out for whatever reason, you can quickly pivot to the guys that you already have permission to talk to.

Poles may have a list of 4-5 guys that he’s REALLY interested in. But given the number of vacancies, anything could happen and if it does, the search has to continue. I’m other words, requesting permission to speak to a candidate doesn’t instantly make them a top priority.

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

It’s important to note the difference between the guys that the Bears are interviewing versus those that they are requesting permission to speak with. They are interviewing Vrabel. They are going to interview Johnson as examples. Just because they are requesting permission to talk to guys doesn’t mean they plan to interview all of them.

I mean what do you do in an interview? You talk to a guy.

I wish I had the same opinion on this as you but unfortunately I can't lie to myself

Hopefully it all just works out and we get our guy before someone else does.

No, what I’m saying is that it’s smart to preemptively request to speak to with certain potential candidates so that if your short list doesn’t pan out for whatever reason, you can quickly pivot to the guys that you already have permission to talk to.

Poles may have a list of 4-5 guys that he’s REALLY interested in. But given the number of vacancies, anything could happen and if it does, the search has to continue. I’m other words, requesting permission to speak to a candidate doesn’t instantly make them a top priority.

Pivot to guys who are equivalent to hiring Eberflus? If you miss out on the top options don't worry there will be plenty of coordinators that will speak to you about the Bears coaching vacancy. No need to waste time on them now.

[jnrjr79]

Matt LaFleur takes some blame:

“At the end of the game, that’s squarely on me. Got caught in a situation where we were planning on going for it. They felt like Brandon could make that field goal. Hindsight is 20/20, I wish I wouldn’t have taken that timeout. It gave them way too much time to go down and operate. Like I told the team, that’s on me, that can’t happen.”

LaFleur showing what accountability looks like. A stark contrast to Flus defending his poor late-game decision-making rather than just saying "that's on me."

[jnrjr79]

Um its not. This is the GM who picked the last coach and the ownership that has been here since the early 80s and the current managing owner since 2011.

Kevin Warren is new, and this is Poles first chance to truly pick his HC. Even if he did have input on Eberflus, I think a GM is allowed one mistake. I'm just willing to wait and see what happens before declaring it's another disaster.

Kevin "no thanks Harbaugh" Warren brought in the build a new stadium and has made zero progress on that other then to say "shovels in dirt in 2025". If that is your hope... Good luck...

Honestly, the stadium is not on Warren. The Bears have only offered to finance the project if they get public money, and the state has consistently rejected public money. If ownership won't cut the check, there is nothing Warren can do about it.

[jnrjr79]

It’s important to note the difference between the guys that the Bears are interviewing versus those that they are requesting permission to speak with. They are interviewing Vrabel. They are going to interview Johnson as examples. Just because they are requesting permission to talk to guys doesn’t mean they plan to interview all of them.

I mean what do you do in an interview? You talk to a guy.

I wish I had the same opinion on this as you but unfortunately I can't lie to myself

Hopefully it all just works out and we get our guy before someone else does.

No, what I’m saying is that it’s smart to preemptively request to speak to with certain potential candidates so that if your short list doesn’t pan out for whatever reason, you can quickly pivot to the guys that you already have permission to talk to.

Poles may have a list of 4-5 guys that he’s REALLY interested in. But given the number of vacancies, anything could happen and if it does, the search has to continue. I’m other words, requesting permission to speak to a candidate doesn’t instantly make them a top priority.

Other than McCarthy, the Bears don't need "permission" to interview the other candidates.

[Jcool0]

Kevin Warren is new, and this is Poles first chance to truly pick his HC. Even if he did have input on Eberflus, I think a GM is allowed one mistake. I'm just willing to wait and see what happens before declaring it's another disaster.

Kevin "no thanks Harbaugh" Warren brought in the build a new stadium and has made zero progress on that other then to say "shovels in dirt in 2025". If that is your hope... Good luck...

Honestly, the stadium is not on Warren. The Bears have only offered to finance the project if they get public money, and the state has consistently rejected public money. If ownership won't cut the check, there is nothing Warren can do about it.

That is the only reason he was brought in, because he got the Viking stadium built. It may not be his money being spent. But it is his job to get it built. Hes not a "football guy" he is a business guy.

[patryk7754]

Apparently schefter said teams will be calling about trading for tomlin. We should be the first in line and not let anyone else’s call go through

[Betta Bulleavit]

I mean what do you do in an interview? You talk to a guy.

I wish I had the same opinion on this as you but unfortunately I can't lie to myself

Hopefully it all just works out and we get our guy before someone else does.

No, what I’m saying is that it’s smart to preemptively request to speak to with certain potential candidates so that if your short list doesn’t pan out for whatever reason, you can quickly pivot to the guys that you already have permission to talk to.

Poles may have a list of 4-5 guys that he’s REALLY interested in. But given the number of vacancies, anything could happen and if it does, the search has to continue. I’m other words, requesting permission to speak to a candidate doesn’t instantly make them a top priority.

Other than McCarthy, the Bears don't need "permission" to interview the other candidates.

They would if they are under contract as coordinators for other teams. Please feel free to correct me if I’m wrong. I thought that was the reason that we had to request permission to talk to Johnson, Glenn, Flores etc.