Trades and Transactions Thread - Preseason and Beyond

[dakomish23]

Tyus Jones, my FA target for last summer, 24-25 stats

12.4 PPG 2.6 RPG 6.2 APG 1.0 SPG
48.7% on 9.6 FGA
42.8% on 5.2 3PA
85.7% on 0.8 FTA
60.4% EFG 61.8% TS

Idgaf that he’s small and it won’t be ideal playing next to Brunson. Keep Jalen at 28-30 MPG & let Tyus rock the rest of the time. It would have made a world of difference to have 48 mins of good PG play. Could even give Jalen a few nights off w/o falling apart.

IDK if we even reached out to him, but obviously the starting gig on a high profile team (b/c of the stars) was a big selling point. Good thing is he is on the vet min & PHX is cratering. He makes the same amount as Cam Payne. Question is what picks would you trade to sure up this lineup?

[Jalen Bluntson]

3 team: Josh + Mitch for Jimmy... 3rd team sends a big contract to Miami we give them multiple 2nd rd picks

C - KAT
PF - Precious
SF - Mikal
SG - Jimmy
PG - JB

Deuce
Shamet
Sims
Cam
Huk
Kolek
Ryan
Pac

**** it we have been playing without Mitch anyway

WE BECOME FEARED !!!

Did OG explode in the trainers room during this trade? Jimmy makes 48 mil per. That trade is not only terrible but, it doesn't work. You're over 12 million short?

[GettinitDone]

3 team: Josh + Mitch for Jimmy... 3rd team sends a big contract to Miami we give them multiple 2nd rd picks

C - KAT
PF - Precious
SF - Mikal
SG - Jimmy
PG - JB

Deuce
Shamet
Sims
Cam
Huk
Kolek
Ryan
Pac

**** it we have been playing without Mitch anyway

WE BECOME FEARED !!!

Did OG explode in the trainers room during this trade? Jimmy makes 48 mil per. That trade is not only terrible but, it doesn't work. You're over 12 million short?

lol somehow forgot OG

that's why there's a 3rd team wanting to dump its own $12-15M and send it to Miami and we send multiple 2nd rds to it


C - KAT
PF - OG
SF - Mikal
SG - Jimmy
PG - JB

Precious
Deuce
Shamet
Sims
Cam
Huk
Kolek
Ryan
Pac


In playoffs when all healthy we're FEARED FEARED

Jimmy take over mode 1-2 games every series !!!

[douggood]

3 team: Josh + Mitch for Jimmy... 3rd team sends a big contract to Miami we give them multiple 2nd rd picks

C - KAT
PF - Precious
SF - Mikal
SG - Jimmy
PG - JB

Deuce
Shamet
Sims
Cam
Huk
Kolek
Ryan
Pac

**** it we have been playing without Mitch anyway

WE BECOME FEARED !!!

Did OG explode in the trainers room during this trade? Jimmy makes 48 mil per. That trade is not only terrible but, it doesn't work. You're over 12 million short?

lol somehow forgot OG

that's why there's a 3rd team wanting to dump its own $12-15M and send it to Miami and we send multiple 2nd rds to it


C - KAT
PF - OG
SF - Mikal
SG - Jimmy
PG - JB

Precious
Deuce
Shamet
Sims
Cam
Huk
Kolek
Ryan
Pac


In playoffs when all healthy we're FEARED FEARED

Jimmy take over mode 1-2 games every series !!!

the knicks cannot take more money back then they send. it will be legal from miami side, but not legal from knicks side.

[Jalen Bluntson]

3 team: Josh + Mitch for Jimmy... 3rd team sends a big contract to Miami we give them multiple 2nd rd picks

C - KAT
PF - Precious
SF - Mikal
SG - Jimmy
PG - JB

Deuce
Shamet
Sims
Cam
Huk
Kolek
Ryan
Pac

**** it we have been playing without Mitch anyway

WE BECOME FEARED !!!

Did OG explode in the trainers room during this trade? Jimmy makes 48 mil per. That trade is not only terrible but, it doesn't work. You're over 12 million short?

lol somehow forgot OG

that's why there's a 3rd team wanting to dump its own $12-15M and send it to Miami and we send multiple 2nd rds to it


C - KAT
PF - OG
SF - Mikal
SG - Jimmy
PG - JB

Precious
Deuce
Shamet
Sims
Cam
Huk
Kolek
Ryan
Pac


In playoffs when all healthy we're FEARED FEARED

Jimmy take over mode 1-2 games every series !!!

I think we have to match salary with apron rules. I'm not sure on this but, whatever. It won't happen but, I'm glad you didn't let OG die!

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Did OG explode in the trainers room during this trade? Jimmy makes 48 mil per. That trade is not only terrible but, it doesn't work. You're over 12 million short?

lol somehow forgot OG

that's why there's a 3rd team wanting to dump its own $12-15M and send it to Miami and we send multiple 2nd rds to it


C - KAT
PF - OG
SF - Mikal
SG - Jimmy
PG - JB

Precious
Deuce
Shamet
Sims
Cam
Huk
Kolek
Ryan
Pac


In playoffs when all healthy we're FEARED FEARED

Jimmy take over mode 1-2 games every series !!!

I think we have to match salary with apron rules. I'm not sure on this but, whatever. It won't happen but, I'm glad you didn't let OG die!

Jesus.

In almost all of the scenarios scoped by espn today the Pistons end up with a player and some picks - because neither Miami nor the Knicks can send out less salary than they take in.

A reasonable trade for Jimmy would be OG plus Mitch with Burks going back to the Pistons and the Knicks signing a vet-min player - one would hope TJ. Picks to "balance" the trade I'll leave to the readers.

I don't like the trade that much - but I obviously overrate the possible impact of Mitch. On the current season for the Knicks it would be like swapping OG for Jimmy. Not a bad idea.

It would have some upside for Miami if they think that OG could replace Jimmy medium term and would give Bam some back up at the rim and an upgrade on KLove.

[Jalen Bluntson]

lol somehow forgot OG

that's why there's a 3rd team wanting to dump its own $12-15M and send it to Miami and we send multiple 2nd rds to it


C - KAT
PF - OG
SF - Mikal
SG - Jimmy
PG - JB

Precious
Deuce
Shamet
Sims
Cam
Huk
Kolek
Ryan
Pac


In playoffs when all healthy we're FEARED FEARED

Jimmy take over mode 1-2 games every series !!!

I think we have to match salary with apron rules. I'm not sure on this but, whatever. It won't happen but, I'm glad you didn't let OG die!

Jesus.

In almost all of the scenarios scoped by espn today the Pistons end up with a player and some picks - because neither Miami nor the Knicks can send out less salary than they take in.

A reasonable trade for Jimmy would be OG plus Mitch with Burks going back to the Pistons and the Knicks signing a vet-min player - one would hope TJ. Picks to "balance" the trade I'll leave to the readers.

I don't like the trade that much - but I obviously overrate the possible impact of Mitch. On the current season for the Knicks it would be like swapping OG for Jimmy. Not a bad idea.

It would have some upside for Miami if they think that OG could replace Jimmy medium term and would give Bam some back up at the rim and an upgrade on KLove.

We cannot afford him. He does not want to play for Thibs. It will never happen. Dude is done and wants another huge payday. No.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

I think we have to match salary with apron rules. I'm not sure on this but, whatever. It won't happen but, I'm glad you didn't let OG die!

Jesus.

In almost all of the scenarios scoped by espn today the Pistons end up with a player and some picks - because neither Miami nor the Knicks can send out less salary than they take in.

A reasonable trade for Jimmy would be OG plus Mitch with Burks going back to the Pistons and the Knicks signing a vet-min player - one would hope TJ. Picks to "balance" the trade I'll leave to the readers.

I don't like the trade that much - but I obviously overrate the possible impact of Mitch. On the current season for the Knicks it would be like swapping OG for Jimmy. Not a bad idea.

It would have some upside for Miami if they think that OG could replace Jimmy medium term and would give Bam some back up at the rim and an upgrade on KLove.

We cannot afford him. He does not want to play for Thibs. It will never happen. Dude is done and wants another huge payday. No.

I sway back and forth on whether he's done. The playoffs last year didn't look good. The stats this year look like he's fine. :shrug:

Agree with all of the things like he and Thibs would never work together again, the payday next year would be absurd, etc, etc. But there is a path to affording him. After all the Knicks survived with OG to close last year.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Jesus.

In almost all of the scenarios scoped by espn today the Pistons end up with a player and some picks - because neither Miami nor the Knicks can send out less salary than they take in.

A reasonable trade for Jimmy would be OG plus Mitch with Burks going back to the Pistons and the Knicks signing a vet-min player - one would hope TJ. Picks to "balance" the trade I'll leave to the readers.

I don't like the trade that much - but I obviously overrate the possible impact of Mitch. On the current season for the Knicks it would be like swapping OG for Jimmy. Not a bad idea.

It would have some upside for Miami if they think that OG could replace Jimmy medium term and would give Bam some back up at the rim and an upgrade on KLove.

We cannot afford him. He does not want to play for Thibs. It will never happen. Dude is done and wants another huge payday. No.

I sway back and forth on whether he's done. The playoffs last year didn't look good. The stats this year look like he's fine. :shrug:

Agree with all of the things like he and Thibs would never work together again, the payday next year would be absurd, etc, etc. But there is a path to affording him. After all the Knicks survived with OG to close last year.

We can't afford him without losing way more impactful players like OG. His defense far outweighs anything Jimmy would bring to this team. He's a cancer everywhere he goes. No thanks.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

We cannot afford him. He does not want to play for Thibs. It will never happen. Dude is done and wants another huge payday. No.

I sway back and forth on whether he's done. The playoffs last year didn't look good. The stats this year look like he's fine. :shrug:

Agree with all of the things like he and Thibs would never work together again, the payday next year would be absurd, etc, etc. But there is a path to affording him. After all the Knicks survived with OG to close last year.

We can't afford him without losing way more impactful players like OG. His defense far outweighs anything Jimmy would bring to this team. He's a cancer everywhere he goes. No thanks.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing (tho' a bit harsh to say he's been cancer in either Chicago or Miami - his main stays, imo), just spending a little time thinking about the idea. One would deludedly hope that Dadiet would pick up some of OG's minutes, thus reducing the load on Bridges and Hart if Jimmy was in the rotation too.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I sway back and forth on whether he's done. The playoffs last year didn't look good. The stats this year look like he's fine. :shrug:

Agree with all of the things like he and Thibs would never work together again, the payday next year would be absurd, etc, etc. But there is a path to affording him. After all the Knicks survived with OG to close last year.

We can't afford him without losing way more impactful players like OG. His defense far outweighs anything Jimmy would bring to this team. He's a cancer everywhere he goes. No thanks.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing (tho' a bit harsh to say he's been cancer in either Chicago or Miami - his main stays, imo), just spending a little time thinking about the idea. One would deludedly hope that Dadiet would pick up some of OG's minutes, thus reducing the load on Bridges and Hart if Jimmy was in the rotation too.

He has been a problem in Miami since last year. He was a douche in Minny. He's one of those douche bags that never know when to STFU. The idea of adding him is not a bad one but, it's not gonna happen and the trade would never make sense.

[8516knicks]

Tyus Jones, my FA target for last summer, 24-25 stats

12.4 PPG 2.6 RPG 6.2 APG 1.0 SPG
48.7% on 9.6 FGA
42.8% on 5.2 3PA
85.7% on 0.8 FTA
60.4% EFG 61.8% TS

Idgaf that he’s small and it won’t be ideal playing next to Brunson. Keep Jalen at 28-30 MPG & let Tyus rock the rest of the time. It would have made a world of difference to have 48 mins of good PG play. Could even give Jalen a few nights off w/o falling apart.

IDK if we even reached out to him, but obviously the starting gig on a high profile team (b/c of the stars) was a big selling point. Good thing is he is on the vet min & PHX is cratering. He makes the same amount as Cam Payne. Question is what picks would you trade to sure up this lineup?

I like it. Would our Frenchman and one of our 8,000 second rounders be enough?

[8516knicks]

Jesus.

In almost all of the scenarios scoped by espn today the Pistons end up with a player and some picks - because neither Miami nor the Knicks can send out less salary than they take in.

A reasonable trade for Jimmy would be OG plus Mitch with Burks going back to the Pistons and the Knicks signing a vet-min player - one would hope TJ. Picks to "balance" the trade I'll leave to the readers.

I don't like the trade that much - but I obviously overrate the possible impact of Mitch. On the current season for the Knicks it would be like swapping OG for Jimmy. Not a bad idea.

It would have some upside for Miami if they think that OG could replace Jimmy medium term and would give Bam some back up at the rim and an upgrade on KLove.

We cannot afford him. He does not want to play for Thibs. It will never happen. Dude is done and wants another huge payday. No.

I sway back and forth on whether he's done. The playoffs last year didn't look good. The stats this year look like he's fine. :shrug:

Agree with all of the things like he and Thibs would never work together again, the payday next year would be absurd, etc, etc. But there is a path to affording him. After all the Knicks survived with OG to close last year.

So you want to get rid of OG?

[BowlRips]

I don't envy Leon's position now.
He needs to solve for:
a) having a rim protector to in order to sure up a potential significant hole in the lineup come playoff time
AND
b) getting a backup wing that Thibs can trust to play 20-24 mins a night.

Now this conversation would be simple if 1 of the below would be true:
a) Mitch Robinson is our backup big once he returns from injury and there should be no concerns.
OR
b) Precious Achiuwa is a sufficent backup big for this team and provides enough of the Rim Protection that we need

If:
a) was true, then swapping Achiuwa/Dadiet/Payne for a backup wing making $8-10m could be the answer to our problems.
b) was true, then Achiuwa and Sims hold down the fort and you look at moving Mitch for a wing.

Now because we know that a) we can't rely on Mitch and b) relying on Achiuwa as the backup center could be problematic, Leon is stuck in no mans land.

And maybe the only way to correct the issue is to trade both Mitch and Achiuwa for a wing and a backup center within their $20+ combined salaries.

Looking at the available centers, there are only 3 names that stick out, where acquiring 1 of them would leave enough room to also acquire a wing:
Jonas Val (10), Nick Richards (5), Kevon Looney (8), Walker Kessler (4), Robert Will (12.4)

Now you need to combine that with a wing making between 10-15m. Names in that range:
Garry Harris, Cody Martin, Josh Okogie, Royce O'Neal, Isaac Okoro, Aaron Wiggins, Jared Vanderbilt, Aaron Nesmith, Thybule, Terrance Mann, PJ Tucker

Not a very deep list.

Do you go to Portland and offer Achiuwa Robinson and Dadiet for Rob Will and Thybulle?
Can you swing a 3 team trade trying to acquire Val and either Nesmith or Wiggins as the extra salary from the eventual Cam Johnson trade? Washington would surely want their 2026 and 2027 seconds back.
Is Cody Martin and Nick Richards just way too much of a potential downgrade?

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

We cannot afford him. He does not want to play for Thibs. It will never happen. Dude is done and wants another huge payday. No.

I sway back and forth on whether he's done. The playoffs last year didn't look good. The stats this year look like he's fine. :shrug:

Agree with all of the things like he and Thibs would never work together again, the payday next year would be absurd, etc, etc. But there is a path to affording him. After all the Knicks survived with OG to close last year.

So you want to get rid of OG?

I particularly don't think the Knicks would be wise to trade Mitch.

I'm kinda agnostic on Jimmy x OG for one year.

I mean if KAT is seriously hurt it makes no sense at all. Otherwise it might be worth a punt. Idk. Is that so unlikely? Might this be the Knicks _one time_ ?

In the west there is OKC and the Nuggets to match up with.

In the east it's basically Boston if you can handle the bigs? Can a Mitch-less Knicks do that?

[Jalen Bluntson]

I don't envy Leon's position now.
He needs to solve for:
a) having a rim protector to in order to sure up a potential significant hole in the lineup come playoff time
AND
b) getting a backup wing that Thibs can trust to play 20-24 mins a night.

Now this conversation would be simple if 1 of the below would be true:
a) Mitch Robinson is our backup big once he returns from injury and there should be no concerns.
OR
b) Precious Achiuwa is a sufficent backup big for this team and provides enough of the Rim Protection that we need

If:
a) was true, then swapping Achiuwa/Dadiet/Payne for a backup wing making $8-10m could be the answer to our problems.
b) was true, then Achiuwa and Sims hold down the fort and you look at moving Mitch for a wing.

Now because we know that a) we can't rely on Mitch and b) relying on Achiuwa as the backup center could be problematic, Leon is stuck in no mans land.

And maybe the only way to correct the issue is to trade both Mitch and Achiuwa for a wing and a backup center within their $20+ combined salaries.

Looking at the available centers, there are only 3 names that stick out, where acquiring 1 of them would leave enough room to also acquire a wing:
Jonas Val (10), Nick Richards (5), Kevon Looney (8), Walker Kessler (4), Robert Will (12.4)

Now you need to combine that with a wing making between 10-15m. Names in that range:
Garry Harris, Cody Martin, Josh Okogie, Royce O'Neal, Isaac Okoro, Aaron Wiggins, Jared Vanderbilt, Aaron Nesmith, Thybule, Terrance Mann, PJ Tucker

Not a very deep list.

Do you go to Portland and offer Achiuwa Robinson and Dadiet for Rob Will and Thybulle?
Can you swing a 3 team trade trying to acquire Val and either Nesmith or Wiggins as the extra salary from the eventual Cam Johnson trade? Washington would surely want their 2026 and 2027 seconds back.
Is Cody Martin and Nick Richards just way too much of a potential downgrade?

I agree it's a tightrope they are walking for sure. IMO we have a very solid core 1-6 + HEALTHY Mitch. We really only need to tighten up the bench with a little more size and scoring power. We have limited space to operate and the market will also dictate exactly what we can do.

Mitch's health is the biggest concern for me. That's a risky move trying to depend on him but, he is exactly what we need in a backup 5.

I would love to upgrade Payne/Shamet with another PG and a bigger wing player. Provided Mitch can stay healthy.

It appears the team was aiming to do so in the draft but, well, we haven't seen enough of these kids to know if they can fill any of those spots. The McCullar kid hasn't even played in g league yet either.

This next 4 weeks are going to be anxious waiting and seeing. I have faith in this FO so, I'll just let them sift through the market and wait to see what they do. There is a lot to work around with the new apron and it's not gonna be easy. Hopefully they have some luck and the missing pieces magically appear.

[dakomish23]

Tyus Jones, my FA target for last summer, 24-25 stats

12.4 PPG 2.6 RPG 6.2 APG 1.0 SPG
48.7% on 9.6 FGA
42.8% on 5.2 3PA
85.7% on 0.8 FTA
60.4% EFG 61.8% TS

Idgaf that he’s small and it won’t be ideal playing next to Brunson. Keep Jalen at 28-30 MPG & let Tyus rock the rest of the time. It would have made a world of difference to have 48 mins of good PG play. Could even give Jalen a few nights off w/o falling apart.

IDK if we even reached out to him, but obviously the starting gig on a high profile team (b/c of the stars) was a big selling point. Good thing is he is on the vet min & PHX is cratering. He makes the same amount as Cam Payne. Question is what picks would you trade to sure up this lineup?

I like it. Would our Frenchman and one of our 8,000 second rounders be enough?

Let’s hope!

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

I don't envy Leon's position now.
He needs to solve for:
a) having a rim protector to in order to sure up a potential significant hole in the lineup come playoff time
AND
b) getting a backup wing that Thibs can trust to play 20-24 mins a night.

Now this conversation would be simple if 1 of the below would be true:
a) Mitch Robinson is our backup big once he returns from injury and there should be no concerns.
OR
b) Precious Achiuwa is a sufficent backup big for this team and provides enough of the Rim Protection that we need

If:
a) was true, then swapping Achiuwa/Dadiet/Payne for a backup wing making $8-10m could be the answer to our problems.
b) was true, then Achiuwa and Sims hold down the fort and you look at moving Mitch for a wing.

Now because we know that a) we can't rely on Mitch and b) relying on Achiuwa as the backup center could be problematic, Leon is stuck in no mans land.

And maybe the only way to correct the issue is to trade both Mitch and Achiuwa for a wing and a backup center within their $20+ combined salaries.

Looking at the available centers, there are only 3 names that stick out, where acquiring 1 of them would leave enough room to also acquire a wing:
Jonas Val (10), Nick Richards (5), Kevon Looney (8), Walker Kessler (4), Robert Will (12.4)

Now you need to combine that with a wing making between 10-15m. Names in that range:
Garry Harris, Cody Martin, Josh Okogie, Royce O'Neal, Isaac Okoro, Aaron Wiggins, Jared Vanderbilt, Aaron Nesmith, Thybule, Terrance Mann, PJ Tucker

Not a very deep list.

Do you go to Portland and offer Achiuwa Robinson and Dadiet for Rob Will and Thybulle?
Can you swing a 3 team trade trying to acquire Val and either Nesmith or Wiggins as the extra salary from the eventual Cam Johnson trade? Washington would surely want their 2026 and 2027 seconds back.
Is Cody Martin and Nick Richards just way too much of a potential downgrade?

Great post. I don't really see the value of any of these.

I guess Timelord would be meh ok as a straight up trade for Mitch. But why? You'd be downgrading.

Thybulle would be ok. I'd prefer to persist with Dadiet.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Tyus Jones, my FA target for last summer, 24-25 stats

12.4 PPG 2.6 RPG 6.2 APG 1.0 SPG
48.7% on 9.6 FGA
42.8% on 5.2 3PA
85.7% on 0.8 FTA
60.4% EFG 61.8% TS

Idgaf that he’s small and it won’t be ideal playing next to Brunson. Keep Jalen at 28-30 MPG & let Tyus rock the rest of the time. It would have made a world of difference to have 48 mins of good PG play. Could even give Jalen a few nights off w/o falling apart.

IDK if we even reached out to him, but obviously the starting gig on a high profile team (b/c of the stars) was a big selling point. Good thing is he is on the vet min & PHX is cratering. He makes the same amount as Cam Payne. Question is what picks would you trade to sure up this lineup?

I like it. Would our Frenchman and one of our 8,000 second rounders be enough?

Let’s hope!

No. It just doesn't work like that.

[thebuzzardman]

Trade Brundle for Butler