2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation

[Saberestar]

This isn't really relevant. Miami will trade him to the place that makes most sense to them depending on their return. I imagine a team like Memphis or maybe some others would give him another year or extension for maybe not as much money, but he will not have a ton of leverage unless he wants to try to test FA when only a few teams like Brooklyn and Washington have cap space (and I doubt they want any part of Jimmy). He does have the leverage of saying he won't re-sign there but that is only hurting himself. They could still S&T him.

It may be possible for another team to S&T him to us..not sure if that's allowed at the 2nd apron. But we'd have to make it worth their while. I can't see Memphis wanting Beal.

Memphis is probably offering Smart plus a pick and a couple more depth guys. They have a lot of guys/picks. They were willing to trade 4 for Bridges. A lineup of Ja/Bane/Butler/JJJ/Edey is a pretty damn good one to compete with OKC. Butler could even be the main guy when Ja is out, but JJJ had no problem filling that role against us.

The Grizzlies will no trade for Butler, he doesn't want to play for them.

No team is crazy enough to give up assets to get a player who is gonna be disgruntled on/off the court and go away at the end of the season.

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Yeah, I saw that after my comment and my post was in regards to us being the only ones to give him a really lucrative multi year offer (at least according to Sidery).

Then I saw that they had contacted Memphis. I don't think a team would trade for him if he's said he didn't want to go there, or at least not give up a lot. But he doesn't have a ton of leverage really. Unless he wants to lose out on a bunch of money. I don't know that Miami is the type of team to take less for him just because he's turned off other teams from going for him.

It's dumb he doesn't want to play in Memphis. His championship chances are a hell of a lot better there. Sure it's not the nice weather party area Phx/Scottsdale is, and maybe that's all he cares about given he wants to be in a big city like Dallas, Houston, Phx or the Bay area.

I really can't stand players that are acting like him. He's almost like Jae was with us at this point. I liked Butler as a player too, except for fantasy purposes since he rarely shoots 3s.

Yeah, I like Butler a lot but it's not a MUST to get him or anything like that. I would put a good offer on their table and just wait.

I wouldn't trade Dunn so I am not all in about Butler, but I think he would improve our team.

[mademan]

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Jimmy Butler is forcing his way to the Phoenix Suns.

That's what he wants. But there's 3 other parties here with a say (PHX, MIA, Beal). PHX might want him too, but does PHX want him at the cost of 31 1st/Dunn/Ighodaro? And that still leaves 2 other parties here

Butler wants. PHX wants. Beal wants.

It’s just the Heat accepting the best offer that they will have for Butler.

I doubt the Suns trade Dunn because he is showing huge impact in his rookie season, I wouldn't trade him for sure.

I would trade 2031 unprotected and our 3 2nds available. And I would be OK trading Oso Ighodaro if it's much needed to close the deal.

Beal wants Miami, Miami doesnt want Beal. Miami wants max cap space in 2026 and theyre not gonna forgo it for Beal and a 1st (i dont think even Dunn moves the needle for them). And thats just a problem that cant be overcome in a 2 way deal, which means a 3rd team needs to be involved. And its almost impossible with these lack of assets to both pay someone to take on Beal for contracts that dont run longer than next year while also paying Miami something for Butler.

Its not about Miami taking what they can. Its about Miami not taking on what interferes with their plans. Ultimately, i dont think its worth it for the Suns but i imagine Ishiba dgaf

[Saberestar]

That's what he wants. But there's 3 other parties here with a say (PHX, MIA, Beal). PHX might want him too, but does PHX want him at the cost of 31 1st/Dunn/Ighodaro? And that still leaves 2 other parties here

Butler wants. PHX wants. Beal wants.

It’s just the Heat accepting the best offer that they will have for Butler.

I doubt the Suns trade Dunn because he is showing huge impact in his rookie season, I wouldn't trade him for sure.

I would trade 2031 unprotected and our 3 2nds available. And I would be OK trading Oso Ighodaro if it's much needed to close the deal.

Beal wants Miami, Miami doesnt want Beal. Miami wants max cap space in 2026 and theyre not gonna forgo it for Beal and a 1st (i dont think even Dunn moves the needle for them). And thats just a problem that cant be overcome in a 2 way deal, which means a 3rd team needs to be involved. And its almost impossible with these lack of assets to both pay someone to take on Beal for contracts that dont run longer than next year while also paying Miami something for Butler.

Its not about Miami taking what they can. Its about Miami not taking on what interferes with their plans. Ultimately, i dont think its worth it for the Suns but i imagine Ishiba dgaf

Yeah, that's why the Suns getting Butler has always been a long-shot but weird things happen in the NBA. We will see how this ends.

[bullsaficianado]

Looks like Butler knows what he is doing. No teams now are going to give up any significant assets for a Butler rental. He wants Phoenix and no other team. Since Miami does not want Beal and Beal will have to sign off on his NTC this likely just ends with the Heat keeping a disgruntled Butler.

[bwgood77]

That's what he wants. But there's 3 other parties here with a say (PHX, MIA, Beal). PHX might want him too, but does PHX want him at the cost of 31 1st/Dunn/Ighodaro? And that still leaves 2 other parties here

Butler wants. PHX wants. Beal wants.

It’s just the Heat accepting the best offer that they will have for Butler.

I doubt the Suns trade Dunn because he is showing huge impact in his rookie season, I wouldn't trade him for sure.

I would trade 2031 unprotected and our 3 2nds available. And I would be OK trading Oso Ighodaro if it's much needed to close the deal.

Beal wants Miami, Miami doesnt want Beal. Miami wants max cap space in 2026 and theyre not gonna forgo it for Beal and a 1st (i dont think even Dunn moves the needle for them). And thats just a problem that cant be overcome in a 2 way deal, which means a 3rd team needs to be involved. And its almost impossible with these lack of assets to both pay someone to take on Beal for contracts that dont run longer than next year while also paying Miami something for Butler.

Its not about Miami taking what they can. Its about Miami not taking on what interferes with their plans. Ultimately, i dont think its worth it for the Suns but i imagine Ishiba dgaf

Yeah, that's the problem with a 3rd team. How do both Miami AND the team that gets Beal both get enough to make it worth their while?

Miami might be better off waiting until the offseason and then looking at S&T deals and then they can really call Jimmy's bluff. If they agree to a S&T with another team, Butler can either take that or opt out of his contract and become a FA, which would cost him a lot of money, regardless of that next contract. No one with cap space will pay him. No teams he'd want to go to even have cap space. He would have to take a S&T. My guess is they are willing to bet that they will get a good deal in the summer when Jimmy's leverage disappears.

[mademan]

Looks like Butler knows what he is doing. No teams now are going to give up any significant assets for a Butler rental. He wants Phoenix and no other team. Since Miami does not want Beal and Beal will have to sign off on his NTC this likely just ends with the Heat keeping a disgruntled Butler.

Its also possible he just gets Kawhi'd. A team like Memphis gets him as a rental for a playoff run because it doesnt cost them too much.

[bwgood77]

Looks like Butler knows what he is doing. No teams now are going to give up any significant assets for a Butler rental. He wants Phoenix and no other team. Since Miami does not want Beal and Beal will have to sign off on his NTC this likely just ends with the Heat keeping a disgruntled Butler.

Its also possible he just gets Kawhi'd. A team like Memphis gets him as a rental for a playoff run because it doesnt cost them too much.

But in their case they'd be in a much better position than Toronto was in the offseason because I don't think any other contenders or wanna be contenders have cap space. I mean there may be ways for some teams to get it but it would probably be difficult to carve out THAT much completely under the cap to sign him since so many teams are a ways over it already.

Though they could still go the S&T route I believe. So Memphis could easily say "hey, we will have the leverage in the offseason...it's worth a gamble and we can get assets back if we do end up trading him".

[Ghost of Kleine]

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This isn't really relevant. Miami will trade him to the place that makes most sense to them depending on their return. I imagine a team like Memphis or maybe some others would give him another year or extension for maybe not as much money, but he will not have a ton of leverage unless he wants to try to test FA when only a few teams like Brooklyn and Washington have cap space (and I doubt they want any part of Jimmy). He does have the leverage of saying he won't re-sign there but that is only hurting himself. They could still S&T him.

It may be possible for another team to S&T him to us..not sure if that's allowed at the 2nd apron. But we'd have to make it worth their while. I can't see Memphis wanting Beal.

Memphis is probably offering Smart plus a pick and a couple more depth guys. They have a lot of guys/picks. They were willing to trade 4 for Bridges. A lineup of Ja/Bane/Butler/JJJ/Edey is a pretty damn good one to compete with OKC. Butler could even be the main guy when Ja is out, but JJJ had no problem filling that role against us.

The Grizzlies will no trade for Butler, he doesn't want to play for them.

No team is crazy enough to give up assets to get a player who is gonna be disgruntled on/off the court and go away at the end of the season.

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Has he actually said this somewhere though or put out a statement saying this? Honestly curious as I'm trying to catch up on the situation.

[Slim Charless]

I thought Butler said he's okay to play anywhere except Miami? Now, he's telling team not to trade for him.

**** this. He see that Ishbia is the only one stupid enough to pay him so he's trying to force a deal here. I hope Beal holds strong and doesn't open his NTC so they can't make this stupid trade

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Jimmy Butler is forcing his way to the Phoenix Suns.

That's what he wants. But there's 3 other parties here with a say (PHX, MIA, Beal). PHX might want him too, but does PHX want him at the cost of 31 1st/Dunn/Ighodaro? And that still leaves 2 other parties here

I would not give up Dunn and the 2031 st under any circumstances! Giving up that much for Butler in the context of this situation would just be idiotic and asinine.

My limit would be the 2031 1st ONLY WITH (TOP 4 PROTECTION). But Dunn absolutely no way!! The true value of trading for Butter and giving up the last of our assets to get him would be in that:

1- He allows us to get off of Beals' NO TRADE CLAUSE. Meaning we can try to go "all in" for one more season or maybe even two ( if things go well? And then we could actually trade him and begin our long overdue proper rebuild if it doesn't work well for us.

2- Butler would be the ideal mentor to Dunn to take over when he leaves, is traded, or retires, etc. But Dunn is a key integral piece to our future. And as good as Butler is, it'd be a huge mistake to give Dunn away on top of a very likely top 5 lotto pick in 31. They can have the pick, but not Dunn on top of the pick!

[Ghost of Kleine]

The Grizzlies will no trade for Butler, he doesn't want to play for them.

No team is crazy enough to give up assets to get a player who is gonna be disgruntled on/off the court and go away at the end of the season.

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Yeah, I saw that after my comment and my post was in regards to us being the only ones to give him a really lucrative multi year offer (at least according to Sidery).

Then I saw that they had contacted Memphis. I don't think a team would trade for him if he's said he didn't want to go there, or at least not give up a lot. But he doesn't have a ton of leverage really. Unless he wants to lose out on a bunch of money. I don't know that Miami is the type of team to take less for him just because he's turned off other teams from going for him.

It's dumb he doesn't want to play in Memphis. His championship chances are a hell of a lot better there. Sure it's not the nice weather party area Phx/Scottsdale is, and maybe that's all he cares about given he wants to be in a big city like Dallas, Houston, Phx or the Bay area.

I really can't stand players that are acting like him. He's almost like Jae was with us at this point. I liked Butler as a player too, except for fantasy purposes since he rarely shoots 3s.

Yeah, I like Butler a lot but it's not a MUST to get him or anything like that. I would put a good offer on their table and just wait.

I wouldn't trade Dunn so I am not all in about Butler, but I think he would improve our team.

This X 10000000! No more giving up excessive value for aging injury prone players that won't significantly change our trajectory.

[SunsRback4Good]

How good would the Suns be if they no only got Butler but Vucivic as well. That might mean we’d possibly lose Dunn to the trade.

Vuc/KD/Butler/Booker/Jones

Bench: O'Neal/Allen/Morris/Okogie

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[Slim Charless]

People with Twitter:

You guys need to get in Beals mentions and tags and say that we want him here. He might be the only one that can stop Ishbia from making this moronic move.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Orlando Robinson is actually a very talented mobile lanky young center with a lot of skill versatility and potential. He'd honestly be a great pickup as a 3rd string center and honestly could allow us to move Ighodaro to the 4 in some situations off the bench because of his ability to hit the 3, make midrange shots and still block shots too. Or he could play at the 4 next to Ighodaro interchangeably?

He moves really well for a 7 footer, has some smooth offensive moves and can dribble/drive with a decent faceup game and some encouraging ISO creation ability already, he has a solid motor, he's an underrated passer out of the post, he is long, physical and energetic. And he's nearly free after being waived.

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/orlando-robinson/
( Nikola Vucevic comp)

https://www.detroitbadboys.com/2022/6/22/23178504/2022-nba-draft-orlando-robinson-breakdown
( More physical Kelly Olynyk comp).

[Ghost of Kleine]

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I wonder how this might affect things towards him wanting to bee here?

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We'll see how this plays out.

[garrick]

This isn't really relevant. Miami will trade him to the place that makes most sense to them depending on their return. I imagine a team like Memphis or maybe some others would give him another year or extension for maybe not as much money, but he will not have a ton of leverage unless he wants to try to test FA when only a few teams like Brooklyn and Washington have cap space (and I doubt they want any part of Jimmy). He does have the leverage of saying he won't re-sign there but that is only hurting himself. They could still S&T him.

It may be possible for another team to S&T him to us..not sure if that's allowed at the 2nd apron. But we'd have to make it worth their while. I can't see Memphis wanting Beal.

Memphis is probably offering Smart plus a pick and a couple more depth guys. They have a lot of guys/picks. They were willing to trade 4 for Bridges. A lineup of Ja/Bane/Butler/JJJ/Edey is a pretty damn good one to compete with OKC. Butler could even be the main guy when Ja is out, but JJJ had no problem filling that role against us.

The Grizzlies will no trade for Butler, he doesn't want to play for them.

No team is crazy enough to give up assets to get a player who is gonna be disgruntled on/off the court and go away at the end of the season.

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Has he actually said this somewhere though or put out a statement saying this? Honestly curious as I'm trying to catch up on the situation.

My god how stupid is Ishbia?

He wants to continue to dig in and be a 2nd apron team which takes away all flexibility and a chance at higher draft picks.

I'm only onboard with a Butler trade without an extension or if there is an extension it has to be an affordable one not a max contract.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Not sure if everyone has already heard these key details from the full Beal interview about coming off the bench:
(Julia Stumbaugh-
January 7, 2025
Bleacher report/NBA rumors)
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10149973-bradley-beal-100-surprised-he-was-benched-had-no-indication-amid-nba-rumors

Phoenix Suns Bradley Beal said he received no indication that he was going to be benched for the first time in nine years ahead of Sunday's matchup with the Philadelphia 76ers. Beal scored 25 points off the bench, including 20 in the second half, to help the Suns end a four-game losing streak with a 109-99 win over the Sixers. Beal said after the game that he hadn't heard from the Suns regarding a potential trade, which he would need to sign off on thanks to the no-trade clause in his contract.

The star guard, who waived the clause in order to facilitate his trade from the Wizards to the Suns in 2023, would need to do the same in order for Phoenix to move him ahead of the Feb. 6 deadline. "I need to be addressed because I hold the cards," Beal said Monday. "Until I'm addressed and somebody says something different, then I'll be a Sun."

Head coach Mike Budenholzer said after the game the decision to bench Beal and Jusuf Nurkić was made because the Suns "needed to make a change" after a four-game losing streak.

"They're two important players for us, two very good players for us," Budenholzer said, adding: "They're pros. I talked to each of them individually. They want what's best for the team." Adding Beal and Nurkić to the reserves allowed the Suns' bench to outscore the Sixers' bench 54-7 in the comeback victory.

But Beal made it clear after the game that he considers himself a starter. Where the Suns place him in the lineup going forward could potentially influence his willingness to consider a trade if Phoenix looks to move him.

The highlighted part sounds like a threat to me that IF the Suns keep him on the bench, he'll utilize his no-trade clause to block trades! Good thing he's not trying to be an azz**** or anything ......right?? I guess what's best for the team doesn't really matter to him!

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Orlando Robinson is actually a very talented mobile lanky young center with a lot of skill versatility and potential. He'd honestly be a great pickup as a 3rd string center and honestly could allow us to move Ighodaro to the 4 in some situations off the bench because of his ability to hit the 3, make midrange shots and still block shots too. Or he could play at the 4 next to Ighodaro interchangeably?

He moves really well for a 7 footer, has some smooth offensive moves and can dribble/drive with a decent faceup game and some encouraging ISO creation ability already, he has a solid motor, he's an underrated passer out of the post, he is long, physical and energetic. And he's nearly free after being waived.

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/orlando-robinson/
( Nikola Vucevic comp)

https://www.detroitbadboys.com/2022/6/22/23178504/2022-nba-draft-orlando-robinson-breakdown
( More physical Kelly Olynyk comp).

We should waive D.Lee since he hasn't been good at all and we have too many guards, we need a couple big bodies at the end of the bench not a bunch of guards.