PG: Embarrassing loss to ORL

[Nicnac]

The Thibs injury arguments gets redundant, I'm not sure what else to add but I found stats that compare injuries with salary and the Knicks are 25th out of 30 teams in most injuries. https://www.spotrac.com/nba/injured/_/year/2024/view/team
Since Thibs has been here the Knicks are consistently one of the healthiest teams in the league, #1 healthiest in 2020. Last year they had the 10th most injuries and that was the outlier season. With that said Leon needs to get a better bench and Thibs can try to experiment more so the starters can be fresher in 4th quarters.

It isn't entirely about injuries though. This is where the strawman BS falls way short. We are losing games because we are gassed. Teams are actively waiting to attack us because they ALL KNOW we will lose steam. It's a big picture that has proven to be a detriment every single year when the playoffs roll around. It has happened to every team he has ever coached in almost every season. Injuries are only one part of the problem.

He needs to adjust or GTFO

Moving the goalposts from Thibs injures all his players every year to they are tired that's why we lose.

Other teams "injuries" are primarily rest and management. DUH!!!

if it is not obvious that other teams come to play now against these new knicks and turn up in the 4th to challenge their legs, then idk what you are looking at

[Nicnac]

Players will never say they are tired. The coaches job is to manage his roster. He chose this roster. He raves, or lies about his bench at times. His bench would be as good as most others. His bench is not the worse in the league. Yet we don't know how good they can be. To hear he doesn't have a bench bc he doesn't give them a chance is assinine

Yet. He wins to much to fire, during the season. And is doesn't have the gamemenship to win big games

When they go out in the first round this yr maybe management will put the team before the coach and give someone else a chance to manage it.

The only way he goes is if we go on a very bad losing streak, fall out of contention, and have fan revolt.

Most likely we will win more than 50 games. Lose one of these starters for a stretch from injury. Make a terrible trade thinking that's the solution, and continue to see 8. Sometimes 9 players per game.

We are like a middle of the pack team but with 70 pt per first half players.

[Nicnac]

No idea who that is or what this even means but if you think I share that opinion then explain to me why I keep asking for a trade to upgrade our depth? I can at least recognize that the bench sucks, you on the other hand want to pretend it’s actually good.

I never said the bench was good, I said it was net positive on the season, period. You're the one that is deflecting from the coach doing the same thing he's done for 15 years. You're ignoring a pattern, and you're using the same exact defenses present in that thread, it's comical at this point.


The bench didn't play much post Randle injury last season, he didn't even want to play Burks until there was no other option and the guy scored 15ppg on 50% in the playoffs. He maintained an 8 man rotation after we traded for Burks and Bojan, he simply swapped out Precious for Mitch. We've been using an 8 man rotation for months, the Wolves and Bulls used 8 man rotations, he is never going to change.

You're completely ignoring history of a man that is playing out yet again right in front of you.

So the bench is not good they are just good in stats that you choose to use to prove that they are actually good

I see what you are doing, it’s slick but I caught you

We haven’t had issues with rotation when we actually had something that resembled a bench

So you know the quality of the bench you haven't seen??? Lol. Are you at practice or something?? Do you listen to any game that is voiced by the other team? That's all that is said. Every night. When the Knicks where winning, " their starters are still on the floor!". EVERY GAME!

It's called blaming the victim when you say this bench can't play. I have yet to see ANY player that can perform or be judged sitting down. Smh

[Nicnac]

Players will never say they are tired. The coaches job is to manage his roster. He chose this roster. He raves, or lies about his bench at times. His bench would be as good as most others. His bench is not the worse in the league. Yet we don't know how good they can be. To hear he doesn't have a bench bc he doesn't give them a chance is assinine

Yet. He wins to much to fire, during the season. And is doesn't have the gamemenship to win big games

When they go out in the first round this yr maybe management will put the team before the coach and give someone else a chance to manage it.

The only way he goes is if we go on a very bad losing streak, fall out of contention, and have fan revolt.

Most likely we will win more than 50 games. Lose one of these starters for a stretch from injury. Make a terrible trade thinking that's the solution, and continue to see 8. Sometimes 9 players per game.

We are like a middle of the pack team but with 70 pt per first half players.

[Gravy]

It isn't entirely about injuries though. This is where the strawman BS falls way short. We are losing games because we are gassed. Teams are actively waiting to attack us because they ALL KNOW we will lose steam. It's a big picture that has proven to be a detriment every single year when the playoffs roll around. It has happened to every team he has ever coached in almost every season. Injuries are only one part of the problem.

He needs to adjust or GTFO

Moving the goalposts from Thibs injures all his players every year to they are tired that's why we lose.

Other teams "injuries" are primarily rest and management. DUH!!!

if it is not obvious that other teams come to play now against these new knicks and turn up in the 4th to challenge their legs, then idk what you are looking at

Sure, Zion is just resting 50 games every season and Hukporti is as good as Ihart if Thibs didnt hold him back lol

I thought most of the delusional fans left with Frank

[RHODEY]

Players will never say they are tired. The coaches job is to manage his roster. He chose this roster. He raves, or lies about his bench at times. His bench would be as good as most others. His bench is not the worse in the league. Yet we don't know how good they can be. To hear he doesn't have a bench bc he doesn't give them a chance is assinine

Yet. He wins to much to fire, during the season. And is doesn't have the gamemenship to win big games

When they go out in the first round this yr maybe management will put the team before the coach and give someone else a chance to manage it.

The only way he goes is if we go on a very bad losing streak, fall out of contention, and have fan revolt.

Most likely we will win more than 50 games. Lose one of these starters for a stretch from injury. Make a terrible trade thinking that's the solution, and continue to see 8. Sometimes 9 players per game.

We are like a middle of the pack team but with 70 pt per first half players.

Mostly agreed exceptfor the terrible trade part....we haven't made one of those in a very long while. I would like to add Valunchunis and Whitmore to our bench.

[Gravy]

"I've been doing this for years," Kerr says. "I took a lot of heat during the pandemic season because I was sticking to my guns and playing Steph 34 minutes a game, giving him about an eight-minute break in each half. And I used a line that became infamous around here when I said, 'We're not chasing wins.' And people were like, 'Then what the hell are you doing?' and the answer was, 'We're saving Steph. We're preserving him for his career.' I probably shouldn't have said the quiet part out loud, but I'm fine with admitting a big part of my job is not running Steph into the ground."

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/43313004/steph-curry-golden-state-warriors-career-nba-playoffs-hopes

That’s hilarious bc a part of the reason Warriors fans hate Kerr is because he ices Steph Curry to rest him.

Even funnier because the Warriors are listed as a roster with a consistently high amount of injuries in recent years
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/injured/_/year/2022/view/team

[Jalen Bluntson]

Moving the goalposts from Thibs injures all his players every year to they are tired that's why we lose.

Other teams "injuries" are primarily rest and management. DUH!!!

if it is not obvious that other teams come to play now against these new knicks and turn up in the 4th to challenge their legs, then idk what you are looking at

Sure, Zion is just resting 50 games every season and Hukporti is as good as Ihart if Thibs didnt hold him back lol

I thought most of the delusional fans left with Frank

Then why are you still here?

[HEZI]

I think opening up the bench to 3 to 4 more bodies in the mix each night with KAT/JB/OG/Mikal/Hart/Deuce will be way better than a .500 club. This team is way too talented for that.


I'm not asking for Payne, Shamet, Precious and Sims to even play as many minutes as they did last night. If the starters' mins can be capped to 32-36 at most (I think Josh and Mikal can handle 36mpg) i think that's a step in the right direction.

Yeah that sounds like a team that will be hovering around .500 basically around where the Pacers currently are

I disagree. No club with KAT/JB/OG/Mikal/Hart/Deuce is going to be bad or middling. Giving more than 6 guys minutes each night isn't gonna tank the team

You seem to forget the early season struggles. We were able to speed up the process by relying on the starters a lot which resulted in us developing chemistry sooner than later. I could definitely see us taking longer to build that familiarity and chemistry and hovering around .500 at this point in the season especially by relying on the weak bench and with a much tougher schedule coming up in the next few month we likely would be in a tougher spot

[HEZI]

I never said the bench was good, I said it was net positive on the season, period. You're the one that is deflecting from the coach doing the same thing he's done for 15 years. You're ignoring a pattern, and you're using the same exact defenses present in that thread, it's comical at this point.


The bench didn't play much post Randle injury last season, he didn't even want to play Burks until there was no other option and the guy scored 15ppg on 50% in the playoffs. He maintained an 8 man rotation after we traded for Burks and Bojan, he simply swapped out Precious for Mitch. We've been using an 8 man rotation for months, the Wolves and Bulls used 8 man rotations, he is never going to change.

You're completely ignoring history of a man that is playing out yet again right in front of you.

So the bench is not good they are just good in stats that you choose to use to prove that they are actually good

I see what you are doing, it’s slick but I caught you

We haven’t had issues with rotation when we actually had something that resembled a bench

So you know the quality of the bench you haven't seen??? Lol. Are you at practice or something?? Do you listen to any game that is voiced by the other team? That's all that is said. Every night. When the Knicks where winning, " their starters are still on the floor!". EVERY GAME!

It's called blaming the victim when you say this bench can't play. I have yet to see ANY player that can perform or be judged sitting down. Smh

This is true, ever since Deuce went out we haven’t seen the bench. Agreed

[HEZI]

The Thibs injury arguments gets redundant, I'm not sure what else to add but I found stats that compare injuries with salary and the Knicks are 25th out of 30 teams in most injuries. https://www.spotrac.com/nba/injured/_/year/2024/view/team
Since Thibs has been here the Knicks are consistently one of the healthiest teams in the league, #1 healthiest in 2020. Last year they had the 10th most injuries and that was the outlier season. With that said Leon needs to get a better bench and Thibs can try to experiment more so the starters can be fresher in 4th quarters.

[Gravy]

Other teams "injuries" are primarily rest and management. DUH!!!

if it is not obvious that other teams come to play now against these new knicks and turn up in the 4th to challenge their legs, then idk what you are looking at

Sure, Zion is just resting 50 games every season and Hukporti is as good as Ihart if Thibs didnt hold him back lol

I thought most of the delusional fans left with Frank

Then why are you still here?

How you quoting me when you told me to carry on. I was carrying on...

[Jalen Bluntson]

Sure, Zion is just resting 50 games every season and Hukporti is as good as Ihart if Thibs didnt hold him back lol

I thought most of the delusional fans left with Frank

Then why are you still here?

How you quoting me when you told me to carry on. I was carrying on...

Like a child. Have at it hoss. Sorry to interrupt.

[Adelheid]

the captain said it himself...the team is tired

how much proof do y'all need?

[Jalen Bluntson]

the captain said it himself...the team is tired

what else proof do you all need?

Shh. People will hear you making sense. KAT said it too the night before he was hurt. Josh beat around the bush with it. Our announcers mention it every game it seems. The two time Thibs emptied the bench this season they were shocked and laughed about it.

It's not all about the injuries but, it adds to the risk exponentially. We are the worst 4th qtr team in the league with the least amount of bench minutes in the last 20 years. Players limping around and missing games after two and a half months. Nothing to see here. Thibs is a genius.

[Clyde_Style]

Read on Twitter

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Their gut?

Most meaningless quote of the season award goes to GA

[whocares1]

the captain said it himself...the team is tired

what else proof do you all need?

Shh. People will hear you making sense. KAT said it too the night before he was hurt. Josh beat around the bush with it. Our announcers mention it every game it seems. The two time Thibs emptied the bench this season they were shocked and laughed about it.

It's not all about the injuries but, it adds to the risk exponentially. We are the worst 4th qtr team in the league with the least amount of bench minutes in the last 20 years. Players limping around and missing games after two and a half months. Nothing to see here. Thibs is a genius.

I’m less worried about injuries and more annoyed with the most obvious reason not to play 40 minutes in an NBA game, which is just general fatigue. Guys like Brunson and Hart and Mikal are running around all game. It’s insane to expect someone to give their all on both sides of the court and then expect them to be their best in crunch time when you are playing these guys over 40 minutes.

[thebuzzardman]

Trade Brundle

[Jalen Bluntson]

the captain said it himself...the team is tired

what else proof do you all need?

Shh. People will hear you making sense. KAT said it too the night before he was hurt. Josh beat around the bush with it. Our announcers mention it every game it seems. The two time Thibs emptied the bench this season they were shocked and laughed about it.

It's not all about the injuries but, it adds to the risk exponentially. We are the worst 4th qtr team in the league with the least amount of bench minutes in the last 20 years. Players limping around and missing games after two and a half months. Nothing to see here. Thibs is a genius.

I’m less worried about injuries and more annoyed with the most obvious reason not to play 40 minutes in an NBA game, which is just general fatigue. Guys like Brunson and Hart and Mikal are running around all game. It’s insane to expect someone to give their all on both sides of the court and then expect them to be their best in crunch time when you are playing these guys over 40 minutes.

Injuries are the added risk. Like KAT in the closing minutes of a loss after playing 42 the night before. That's what really sent me off the reservation but, it really is also about general fatigue and how they will feel after 6 mos of this before the playoffs even begin. It's foolish and irresponsible. We also need to work the bench chemistry in as well. That will help keep them fresh and keep the players ready in case an injury happens.

It's not a good plan no matter how you look at it. Fatigue also could lead to injuries quite often as well though. People have a difficult time grasping that concept.

[HarthorneWingo]

Start Precious at PF and bring Hart off the bench.

In the Sixers “Fo! Fo! Fo!” Championship season, Marc Iavaroni started and All Star Bobby Jones came off the bench.

Precious should play less, not more. He’s awful.

While I like Precious and have thought the same before (Hart off the bench), I agree that Achiuwa has not played too well. He missed some rotations here and there and also hasn’t shown the greatest hands around the rim, fumbling many passes. Given how good he looked last year, I thought he’d be better tbh…