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Re: Alex Sarr 

Post#541 » by nate33 » Sun Jan 5, 2025 2:36 pm

Despy wrote:Think Atlanta didn't pick Sarr was because he wouldn't work out for them and he vocally stated he wanted to play with the wizards (because of bilial)

The wizards are never getting a wemby (whose probably a top 10 all time) and if that's your definition of a franchise player go root for the spurs.

Also I enjoy you constantly putting a ceiling on a 19 year old. Could he be the best player on a championship team? who the hell knows he's a teenager ffs.

Is this directed at me?

Are you so confident that Sarr is our likely MVP superstar that you really think that the Wizards should add a bunch of vets and try and win as many games as possible immediately?
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Re: Alex Sarr 

Post#542 » by gambitx777 » Sun Jan 5, 2025 4:07 pm

I was a die hard Sheppard guy and man look at that now lol. She's he's log jammed but Sar looks like the way better pick .

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Post#543 » by DCZards » Sun Jan 5, 2025 5:28 pm

gambitx777 wrote:I was a die hard Sheppard guy and man look at that now lol. She's he's log jammed but Sar looks like the way better pick .

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It wasn’t even close between Sarr and Sheppard for me. You HAVE to take a chance on a young, long, 7 footer with amazing athleticism and a ton of raw potential…especially one that was widely seen as the best player in the draft.
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Post#544 » by pcbothwel » Sun Jan 5, 2025 5:50 pm

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gambitx777 wrote:I was a die hard Sheppard guy and man look at that now lol. She's he's log jammed but Sar looks like the way better pick .

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It wasn’t even close between Sarr and Sheppard for me. You HAVE to take a chance on a young, long, 7 footer with amazing athleticism and a ton of raw potential…especially one that was widely seen as the best player in the draft.

I had Sheppard and Castle as my next two guys, but a lot of that had to do with me being throughly unimpressed by the other guys as top 3 picks (Holland, Williams, Clingan, Risacher, Dillingham).
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Re: Alex Sarr 

Post#545 » by The Consiglieri » Sun Jan 5, 2025 7:38 pm

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LyricalRico wrote:Agree, I also think as his confidence grows we'll see a lot more. Winning some games would definitely help with that.

Obviously not a 1-to-1 comparison but we saw the Spurs go all in on vets to get Wemby to the playoffs in year 2. Again...not comparing Sarr to Wemby...just saying good organizations know you can't just let young players lose for years and years. I don't want them to mortgage the future to win 37 games (again) but incremental improvement will be important this offseason IMO.

The big difference is that Wemby is clearly a franchise player with MVP potential. They can try to win now because they have their superstar.

Sarr isn’t at that level. The Wizards absolutely should not shift to a win now stance because of Sarr. They need to find their actual franchise player first.

1000%. This team is gonna rise or fall based on the talent they extract from the '25-'27 classes and trades. Losing culture is a thing we shouldn't even consider thinking about for another 2-3 draft classes.
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Re: Alex Sarr 

Post#546 » by gambitx777 » Sun Jan 5, 2025 10:30 pm

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gambitx777 wrote:I was a die hard Sheppard guy and man look at that now lol. She's he's log jammed but Sar looks like the way better pick .

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It wasn’t even close between Sarr and Sheppard for me. You HAVE to take a chance on a young, long, 7 footer with amazing athleticism and a ton of raw potential…especially one that was widely seen as the best player in the draft.

I had Sheppard and Castle as my next two guys, but a lot of that had to do with me being throughly unimpressed by the other guys as top 3 picks (Holland, Williams, Clingan, Risacher, Dillingham).
I can admit when I'm wrong lol ! Man was I wrong about Sheppard. He might end up being ok, but **** me he's not gonna be Steph curry light, like I thought.

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Post#547 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sun Jan 5, 2025 11:23 pm

Despy wrote:Think Atlanta didn't pick Sarr was because he wouldn't work out for them and he vocally stated he wanted to play with the wizards (because of bilial)

The wizards are never getting a wemby (whose probably a top 10 all time) and if that's your definition of a franchise player go root for the spurs.

Also I enjoy you constantly putting a ceiling on a 19 year old. Could he be the best player on a championship team? who the hell knows he's a teenager ffs.
Risacher looks like he'll become a very good player to me.
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Post#548 » by LyricalRico » Wed Jan 8, 2025 2:59 am

nate33 wrote:Sarr isn’t at that level. The Wizards absolutely should not shift to a win now stance because of Sarr. They need to find their actual franchise player first.


Of course, definitely not saying it's the same. I would also not want to...for example, trade a billion first round picks for Jimmy Butler just to miss the play-in. I'm talking incremental improvement.

The Consiglieri wrote:This team is gonna rise or fall based on the talent they extract from the '25-'27 classes and trades. Losing culture is a thing we shouldn't even consider thinking about for another 2-3 draft classes.


They went the whole month of November without winning a single game. Do we really want to have 2-3 more seasons like that, "trust the process" style? I just feel like winning 15 games, then 25, then 30+ as guys are growing is the path I'd most like to see. Not 15...15...15...then cross our fingers that we hit on every pick and suddenly jump to 45+.
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Post#549 » by nate33 » Wed Jan 8, 2025 3:05 am

LyricalRico wrote:
nate33 wrote:Sarr isn’t at that level. The Wizards absolutely should not shift to a win now stance because of Sarr. They need to find their actual franchise player first.


Of course, definitely not saying it's the same. I would also not want to...for example, trade a billion first round picks for Jimmy Butler just to miss the play-in. But they went the whole month of November without winning a single game. Do we really want to have 2-3 more seasons like that, "trust the process" style?

I think Sarr's psyche can handle at least one more year of The Process. Maybe after the 2026 draft, we can add a couple of vets via free agency. But I wouldn't do it this summer. I want a top 5 pick in both 2025 and 2026.

Also factor the protected pick we owe to NY. We can't afford to mess around and finish outside the bottom 8 next year.
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Post#550 » by LyricalRico » Wed Jan 8, 2025 3:18 am

nate33 wrote:I think Sarr's psyche can handle at least one more year of The Process. Maybe after the 2026 draft, we can add a couple of vets via free agency. But I wouldn't do it this summer. I want a top 5 pick in both 2025 and 2026.

Also factor the protected pick we owe to NY. We can't afford to mess around and finish outside the bottom 8 next year.


We might be saying the same thing lol (made some edits to my post above). Right now we have the worst win pct in the league at .176 and the current 8th worst seems to be Philly at .412. If we wanted to be safe and shoot for 6th worst, that's currently Portland at .343.

Going from absolute worst to sixth-worst is pretty much the kind of "incremental" improvement I'm talking about. I believe that extrapolates to doubling wins from 14 to 28, which I think is perfectly fine for showing the rebuild is progressing and still accumulating assets.
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Post#551 » by doclinkin » Wed Jan 8, 2025 4:10 am

LyricalRico wrote:Going from absolute worst to sixth-worst is pretty much the kind of "incremental" improvement I'm talking about. I believe that extrapolates to doubling wins from 14 to 28, which I think is perfectly fine for showing the rebuild is progressing and still accumulating assets.


Except if we climb to say the 7th worst we still have a 14% chance of falling to pick 9-11. About the same as the chance we have of winning the #1 overall pick this year.

To guarantee we don't give away the NY pick in '26 we have to be no better than the 4th worst in the league. Yeah at #6 the odds are against it, but come on man, these are the Wizards, is that a thing you really want to risk?
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Re: Alex Sarr 

Post#552 » by Despy » Wed Jan 8, 2025 10:40 am

nate33 wrote:
Despy wrote:Think Atlanta didn't pick Sarr was because he wouldn't work out for them and he vocally stated he wanted to play with the wizards (because of bilial)

The wizards are never getting a wemby (whose probably a top 10 all time) and if that's your definition of a franchise player go root for the spurs.

Also I enjoy you constantly putting a ceiling on a 19 year old. Could he be the best player on a championship team? who the hell knows he's a teenager ffs.

Is this directed at me?

Are you so confident that Sarr is our likely MVP superstar that you really think that the Wizards should add a bunch of vets and try and win as many games as possible immediately?


Yes nothing screams confidence like ending a post on "Who the hell knows". My point being that putting him into a little box with "ceilings" and "regression" is a tad premature
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Post#553 » by LyricalRico » Thu Jan 9, 2025 12:26 am

doclinkin wrote:To guarantee we don't give away the NY pick in '26 we have to be no better than the 4th worst in the league. Yeah at #6 the odds are against it, but come on man, these are the Wizards, is that a thing you really want to risk?


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Post#554 » by BearlyBallin » Fri Jan 10, 2025 5:39 pm

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Sarr ends 2024 as eastern rookie of the month and then starts the new year 2025 on top of the Rookie Ladder.

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Re: Alex Sarr 

Post#555 » by closg00 » Fri Jan 10, 2025 6:14 pm

gambitx777 wrote:
pcbothwel wrote:
DCZards wrote:It wasn’t even close between Sarr and Sheppard for me. You HAVE to take a chance on a young, long, 7 footer with amazing athleticism and a ton of raw potential…especially one that was widely seen as the best player in the draft.

I had Sheppard and Castle as my next two guys, but a lot of that had to do with me being throughly unimpressed by the other guys as top 3 picks (Holland, Williams, Clingan, Risacher, Dillingham).
I can admit when I'm wrong lol ! Man was I wrong about Sheppard. He might end up being ok, but **** me he's not gonna be Steph curry light, like I thought.

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How can you be so certain either way on Reed, it's way too-early to know.
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Post#556 » by pcbothwel » Fri Jan 10, 2025 6:43 pm

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gambitx777 wrote:
pcbothwel wrote:I had Sheppard and Castle as my next two guys, but a lot of that had to do with me being throughly unimpressed by the other guys as top 3 picks (Holland, Williams, Clingan, Risacher, Dillingham).
I can admit when I'm wrong lol ! Man was I wrong about Sheppard. He might end up being ok, but **** me he's not gonna be Steph curry light, like I thought.

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How can you be so certain either way on Reed, it's way too-early to know.


Agreed. Im still high on Sheppard. People need to relax when talking about 19/20 y/o players. Go look at Suggs, Cade, Deni, Garland, RJ Barrett, Herro, SGA, Fox, Markannen, Ingram, etc...
All pretty bad/underwhelming in the 1st year or 2 and then turned the corner.

People need to stop looking at stat lines and watch tape for projecting their skills forward. These guys are too young with small sample sizes.
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Post#557 » by DCZards » Fri Jan 10, 2025 9:01 pm

pcbothwel wrote:
Agreed. Im still high on Sheppard. People need to relax when talking about 19/20 y/o players.

Go look at Suggs, Cade, Deni, Garland, RJ Barrett, Herro, SGA, Fox, Markannen, Ingram, etc...
All pretty bad/underwhelming in the 1st year or 2 and then turned the corner.

People need to stop looking at stat lines and watch tape for projecting their skills forward. These guys are too young with small sample sizes.

A lot of truth here. Pretty much all of the players you mentioned have consistently improved from year-to year.

19 and 20 yr olds need to be given at least 2-3 years in the league to prove that they belong.

But that means being more patient than most of us care to be.

It only took 2-3 SL games for some here to label Sarr a bust. :D
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Post#558 » by nate33 » Sat Jan 11, 2025 4:01 pm

pcbothwel wrote:
closg00 wrote:
gambitx777 wrote:I can admit when I'm wrong lol ! Man was I wrong about Sheppard. He might end up being ok, but **** me he's not gonna be Steph curry light, like I thought.

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How can you be so certain either way on Reed, it's way too-early to know.


Agreed. Im still high on Sheppard. People need to relax when talking about 19/20 y/o players. Go look at Suggs, Cade, Deni, Garland, RJ Barrett, Herro, SGA, Fox, Markannen, Ingram, etc...
All pretty bad/underwhelming in the 1st year or 2 and then turned the corner.

People need to stop looking at stat lines and watch tape for projecting their skills forward. These guys are too young with small sample sizes.

I've said all along that I didn't think Sheppard would be very good his rookie season. He has the deadly jumper that will ultimately be his biggest weapon, but he currently lacks the handle to get good looks. Teams can switch freely on the high screen because he can't blow past a big man either. Once he hones his handle to get better separation, teams won't be able to switch the high screen, and that will open everything else up.

I think his career will be a lot like Garland, only Sheppard appears to have a slightly bigger frame and better defensive instincts, so he'll probably be a better defender.

I'd be calling Houston about trading for Sheppard, but Houston probably isn't listening. I assume they haven't given up on him yet either and are still grooming him to be the replacement for VanVleet when his contract expires.
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Post#559 » by Frichuela » Sat Jan 11, 2025 8:19 pm

Back to Sarr, can they hire former NBA bigs to teach him how to convert around the basket? He misses so many bunnies at the rim…
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Post#560 » by TheBlackCzar » Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:16 pm

CntOutSmrtCrazy wrote:Sarr already showing to be the big red flag that he was from the get go. Prima donna who wouldn't do workouts with other teams, mealy mouthed about playing center, international stats were pretty putrid, doesn't bang or rebound, but hey he's real long and likes to shoot three, so maybe it's a 1-20 chance he turns out to be some unicorn.

The moment I heard Dawkins had a close connection to him, I began to worry that much more.

My proverbial money is going to be on this being a terrible pick in hindsight that Dawkins let a relationship cloud his "vision."

I laugh at these blanketed "he'll be fine post." This is a big that doesn't want to play anything close to being a big (not even a modern-day interpretation of one). A guy that wants to be Kevin Durant, but isn't on the same planet as said player in natural ability there. But, but, he went coast-to-coast in SL, so he'll be fine.

Would have taken Sheppard easily over this guy. Classic example of overthinking and getting cute with draft picks.



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