1/7: Game 36 -Heat (17-17) @ Warriors (18-17) 7pm PST

[Onus]

When you can run a Schroeder based offense instead of a curry based offense you have to choose Schroeder.

Amongst all the satire here (we have to laugh), this is an important point. Schroeder should be Steph's backup. He should not be starting with Steph and he should not be running the point, making Curry play off the ball exclusively. Curry has had back to back 0 assist games. The Warriors offense is best when Steph has the ball and creates easy shots for others. Yes, usually they can't make the shots but it's their best hope.

Again, this is a BAD decision by Steve Kerr.

yup its pretty obvious, especially when he is -15 every game....when he plays with Curry for 20 mins, thats 20 mins we will never be ahead.

They brought Schroeder in to be melton but melton is an off ball player while Schroeder is an on ball player. They are different archetypes and Schroeder is actually killing the team.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Looking at the line up data fir 5 man units, it actually looks better than I thought. As in very fixable.

Schroeder/tjd combo kills every unit they are on.

They are a part of 6 of our 10 most used 5 man units. They are an average of -20.47 net rtg

If you take them off (the remaining 4/10 used 5 man groups)

+46.5 net rtg

So, basically we have a +66.87 net difference ...Absolutely huge.

[ILOVEIT]

I look at the box scores and I'm SHOCKED that a big man from the other team had another career night (((

Sabonis dominates. Nikola Jovic dominates. Every time we play the Clippers their center absolutely feasts on us.

If the Warriors don't solve the size problem, DUNLEAVY should be fired. Forget about Steve Kerr. What's he supposed to do when choosing between a 6'9" sloth or a second round 6'9" second year player - neither of which can score from beyond 10 feet. Oh wait, I forgot, they have another 6'6" guy that should be able to defend guys bigger and stronger than him - most of which can also shoot.

This is not rocket science. It's almost insulting to evaluate any of the Warriors games and worry about anything other than solving the lack of size and shooting in the 4 and 5 position.

[Mambomuziki]

Looking at the line up data fir 5 man units, it actually looks better than I thought. As in very fixable.

Schroeder/tjd combo kills every unit they are on.

They are a part of 6 of our 10 most used 5 man units. They are an average of -20.47 net rtg

If you take them off (the remaining 4/10 used 5 man groups)

+46.5 net rtg

So, basically we have a +66.87 net difference ...Absolutely huge.

Where do you get the data from?

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[cpower]

Looking at the line up data fir 5 man units, it actually looks better than I thought. As in very fixable.

Schroeder/tjd combo kills every unit they are on.

They are a part of 6 of our 10 most used 5 man units. They are an average of -20.47 net rtg

If you take them off (the remaining 4/10 used 5 man groups)

+46.5 net rtg

So, basically we have a +66.87 net difference ...Absolutely huge.

Where do you get the data from?

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https://www.fantasylabs.com/nba/on-off/
select the two players and you will see. its all negative

[Crazy-Canuck]

Looking at the line up data fir 5 man units, it actually looks better than I thought. As in very fixable.

Schroeder/tjd combo kills every unit they are on.

They are a part of 6 of our 10 most used 5 man units. They are an average of -20.47 net rtg

If you take them off (the remaining 4/10 used 5 man groups)

+46.5 net rtg

So, basically we have a +66.87 net difference ...Absolutely huge.

Where do you get the data from?

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https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612744/lineups-advanced?LastNGames=7&GroupQuantity=5

[Crazy-Canuck]

Looking at the line up data fir 5 man units, it actually looks better than I thought. As in very fixable.

Schroeder/tjd combo kills every unit they are on.

They are a part of 6 of our 10 most used 5 man units. They are an average of -20.47 net rtg

If you take them off (the remaining 4/10 used 5 man groups)

+46.5 net rtg

So, basically we have a +66.87 net difference ...Absolutely huge.

Where do you get the data from?

Sent from my Pixel 7a using RealGM mobile app

https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612744/lineups-advanced?LastNGames=7&GroupQuantity=5

Just to add. The only time those 2 were a positive was in the grizz game without steph where we relied less on motion. Everything else is all negative.

If dray can be a full time C, might be time to start jk again at the 4.

[Mambomuziki]

Thanks guys

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[Crazy-Canuck]

And in that same span; steph,heild, wiggs, and dray are a +23 net rtg with a whopping 126 offensive rating. No problems with offense there. I can't believe we don't have access to basic stats.

[whatisacenter]

Most embarrassing loss of the season.

Before the season started I thought this roster would be fighting for a play-in spot then they started off 12-3 and I was happy to be wrong. Now they have gone on to play worse than I thought they could and the play-in seems to be slipping away.

This team has lacked length and athleticism for the past two seasons and they have done nothing to address it. Slomo? Really?

I have no idea what's up with Draymond's defensively but he stinks right now....injury or old, it ain't good.

[CDM_Stats]

Thanks guys

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cleaningtheglass.com also a good one for basic lineup data, specifically groupings with certain people off court

[Crazy-Canuck]

The more you dig into the 4 man grouping of steph, heild, Wiggins, and dray, the more upset u get.

For a team that struggles to score, we have a whopper on the bench that doesn't get minutes.

On the season, they are a +21.4 net rtg while averaging about only 3 minutes per game of court time.

[Mambomuziki]

The more you dig into the 4 man grouping of steph, heild, Wiggins, and dray, the more upset u get.

For a team that struggles to score, we have a whopper on the bench that doesn't get minutes.

On the season, they are a +21.4 net rtg while averaging about only 3 minutes per game of court time.

Someone has to be on hot seat If this data is available and they ignoring it this much without a valid reason.

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[jozef]

I look at the box scores and I'm SHOCKED that a big man from the other team had another career night (((
Sabonis dominates. Nikola Jovic dominates. Every time we play the Clippers their center absolutely feasts on us.
If the Warriors don't solve the size problem, DUNLEAVY should be fired. Forget about Steve Kerr. What's he supposed to do when choosing between a 6'9" sloth or a second round 6'9" second year player - neither of which can score from beyond 10 feet. Oh wait, I forgot, they have another 6'6" guy that should be able to defend guys bigger and stronger than him - most of which can also shoot.
This is not rocket science. It's almost insulting to evaluate any of the Warriors games and worry about anything other than solving the lack of size and shooting in the 4 and 5 position.

Even the lack of size in backcourt positions makes the frontcourt vulnerable. Period.
For this game the rotation should be:
PG Curry 34, Schroeder 14
SG Hield 28, Waters 10, Moody 10
SF Wiggins 34, Moody 14
PF Green 34, Anderson 14
C Jackson-Davis 28, Looney 20
and if Looney is DNP to be saved for soon coming trade then
PF Green 28, Anderson 20
C Jackson-Davis 32, Green 6, Post 10

[WarriorGM]

The more you dig into the 4 man grouping of steph, heild, Wiggins, and dray, the more upset u get.

For a team that struggles to score, we have a whopper on the bench that doesn't get minutes.

On the season, they are a +21.4 net rtg while averaging about only 3 minutes per game of court time.

That's why I think there is nothing wrong with the players and it is Kerr and the coaching staff that is at fault.

Kerr keeps playing units that show no promise while ignoring all the ones that look promising and he's been like that the previous two years too. I thought with Klay and CP3 gone he wouldn't have to play politics which might explain why he's playing the dismal lineups but he's still at it.

I like Lindy and he has his uses but playing with Steph isn't working. Theoretically it was worth a shot but in practice unfortunately we're not seeing chemistry. Time to stop that experiment.

On the other hand I've said before I'm intrigued with the lineup that has Steph and Draymond being mirrored by Hield and Anderson. Those 4 are positive playing together and once again in this game but they've barely been given any minutes. Hield and Anderson actually have played in various other lineups and the results have generally been bad so maybe this isn't that promising.

I'm also still waiting for Steph and Spencer to have any minutes together probably in vain. But as I see it that might be a chance to be something like the Steph and Jason Richards duo from Davidson. I want to see the two legends on the court play with one another.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Update

Last night's results

Steph, heild, wiggs, and dray + 62.5 net rtg with a 162 off rtg. (Slomo was the 5th member) in 4 minutes.

This isn't a coincidence. Even in losses, this group is blitzing opponents.

[EvanZ]

lmao I just realized there was a game last night. Oh well. Hardly matters at this point.

[Onus]

The more you dig into the 4 man grouping of steph, heild, Wiggins, and dray, the more upset u get.

For a team that struggles to score, we have a whopper on the bench that doesn't get minutes.

On the season, they are a +21.4 net rtg while averaging about only 3 minutes per game of court time.

Someone has to be on hot seat If this data is available and they ignoring it this much without a valid reason.

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If only Kerr was held accountable for his record, he might actually have to try to win games rather than letting politics decide who plays.

[Onus]

Update

Last night's results

Steph, heild, wiggs, and dray + 62.5 net rtg with a 162 off rtg. (Slomo was the 5th member) in 4 minutes.

This isn't a coincidence. Even in losses, this group is blitzing opponents.

They play 2 min a half together.

It’s like Kerr is so close to getting it that he’s playing it but for only 2 min. The only way this group gets to play more together is if they start. Every other lineup only plays 2 min together at a time. And the closing lineup is just on Kerr’s whim which is terrible.

[Crazy-Canuck]

lmao I just realized there was a game last night. Oh well. Hardly matters at this point.

Im going to pretend there isn't a game on and not watch if I see Schroeder and tjd starting again.