Suns unload Beal to Bucks with (and without) Miami

[slos]

- With Miami

Bucks in Beal, Dunn, Ighodaro, PHX 2031 FRP
Bucks out Middleton, Portis, Connaughton, Beauchamp, Wright, 2031 SRP

Phoenix in Butler, Wright
Phoenix out Beal, Dunn, Ighodaro, 2031 FRP

Miami in Middleton, Portis, Beauchamp
Miami out Butler

Detroit in Connaughton, MIL 2031 SRP
Detroit out nada

- Without Miami

Bucks in Beal, Dunn, Ighodaro, PHX 2031 FRP
Bucks out Middleton, Portis, Connaughton, Beauchamp, Wright, 2031 SRP

Phoenix in Middleton, Portis, Beauchamp, Wright
Phoenix out Beal, Dunn, Ighodaro, 2031 FRP

Detroit in Connaughton, MIL 2031 SRP
Detroit out nada

Why Bucks? They trade Middleton's 2/70 for Beal's 3/161 contract and get compansated with Dunn and Oso while cashing in Bobby with another juicy 2031 FRP to play moving forward along with their own. Milwaukee also skips the 2nd apron (with the Detroit part) and will have 425k available which I guess is enough to convert Rollins at some point into a standard contract and fill the 14th spot.

Lillard......Green.......Johnson
Beal.........Trent........Rollins
Dunn........Jackson
Giannis.....Prince.......Livingston
Lopez.......Ighodaro....Smith

Why Suns? In the Miami scenario they use the rest of their amo to turn Beal into Butler. If Riley is not OK they just keep the Milwaukee players. Bud got a championship with Midds and Bobby, who will definetely balance their roster.

Why Miami? At this point if Riley insists on a win now package for Butler, Midds and Bobby could be the best he gets. I'm not sure better players are on the table right now for the Heat, who just can't take Beal with Herro on board.

Why Detroit? Lots of minutes to cover after Ivey going down and Pat can cover some. Good locker room guy with lots of playoff experience. That's also a cheap tradable contract for the Pistons moving forward while picking up another SRP.

[Skybox]

If I’m MIL…I take Butler and win a ring.

[Mavrelous]

0 reasons Bucks should get PHX 1st here.
Pistons are selling 2 years cap space for 1 2nd.

[jayjaysee]

Maybe im missing some version. But Milwaukee can’t get under the second apron here unless Lopez is involved.

They need to trim 6.5 mil and get the roster back up to 14 men. So about 3~ million more in savings than the OP once you fill the last roster spot with a vet
min.

[jayjaysee]

Counter would be something like

Brolo to Det
Simone, Connaughton, Middleton to Phoenix
Beal, Klintman and “?” To Milwaukee

Maybe that’s a 2031 first. Maybe it’s Dunn. Maybe swap, 2nds, Okogie, etc.. Whatever you think one year of Beal’s salary is worth to Phoenix or Miami.

But Det should sell their current cap space to take on Brolo’s expiring and get the vet leader for this play-in run. Feels too good for them to me really and they owe a couple seconds or so..

[slos]

Maybe im missing some version. But Milwaukee can’t get under the second apron here unless Lopez is involved.

They need to trim 6.5 mil and get the roster back up to 14 men. So about 3~ million more in savings than the OP once you fill the last roster spot with a vet
min.

I did the math. You are missing that Middleton counts for 34 mil against the 2nd apron with his unlikely incentives, which means that along with Bobby and Pat the Bucks are sending out 56 mil.

That’s already 5.8 mil less than Beal alone. Then you have the Marjon/Wright for Dunn/Oso part which leaves Milwaukee 425K for the 14th spot. I think that’s enough to convert a two way into a standard contract. I just don’t know when.

Obviously no money then available for a 15th. Injured Thanasis will be willing to take that role for free!

[slos]

If I’m MIL…I take Butler and win a ring.

Maybe you are right and the Miami part is pointless since if Midds and Bobby are enough for Riley Bucks obviously cut Phoenix. But there is a strong possibility Jimmy himself burns that bridge for Milwaukee. That’s why I put there both versions.

[jayjaysee]

Maybe im missing some version. But Milwaukee can’t get under the second apron here unless Lopez is involved.

They need to trim 6.5 mil and get the roster back up to 14 men. So about 3~ million more in savings than the OP once you fill the last roster spot with a vet
min.

I did the math. You are missing that Middleton counts for 34 mil against the 2nd apron with his unlikely incentives, which means that along with Bobby and Pat the Bucks are sending out 56 mil.

That’s already 5.8 mil less than Beal alone. Then you have the Marjon/Wright for Dunn/Oso part which leaves Milwaukee 425K for the 14th spot. I think that’s enough to convert a two way into a standard contract. I just don’t know when.

Obviously no money then available for a 15th. Injured Thanasis will be willing to take that role for free!

Honestly, I always forget about two ways.

No idea if they do drop that low, but seems possible.. if not, maybe there’s wiggle room in dumping one of the actual vet mins left in room and signing two rest of season contracts.

[Scoot McGroot]

Maybe im missing some version. But Milwaukee can’t get under the second apron here unless Lopez is involved.

They need to trim 6.5 mil and get the roster back up to 14 men. So about 3~ million more in savings than the OP once you fill the last roster spot with a vet
min.

I did the math. You are missing that Middleton counts for 34 mil against the 2nd apron with his unlikely incentives, which means that along with Bobby and Pat the Bucks are sending out 56 mil.

That’s already 5.8 mil less than Beal alone. Then you have the Marjon/Wright for Dunn/Oso part which leaves Milwaukee 425K for the 14th spot. I think that’s enough to convert a two way into a standard contract. I just don’t know when.

Obviously no money then available for a 15th. Injured Thanasis will be willing to take that role for free!

You have to do it within 2 weeks.

But grand scheme, I’m a believer that whomever takes Beal and his long term deal is owed value. However, if Mikwaukee is sending out Middleton, Portis, and Connaughton contracts, then they’re not owed MUCH value, based on the contracts. They’d be offsetting a ton of salary owed. So, Milwaukee getting the 1st, Dunn, and Oso is entirely an overpay.

But also, Beal/Dame seems destined to conflict/fail as much as Beal/Booker has conflicted/failed, right?

[Skybox]

If I’m MIL…I take Butler and win a ring.

Maybe you are right and the Miami part is pointless since if Midds and Bobby are enough for Riley Bucks obviously cut Phoenix. But there is a strong possibility Jimmy himself burns that bridge for Milwaukee. That’s why I put there both versions.

Could be. I wonder what is the basis of Butler’s list- contender? Willingness to overpay on a new deal for an old guy? Weather?

…but I mostly like Butler’s fit with Dame & Giannis (more than Beal’s)…Beal’s contract is also terrifying to me. I prefer Butler’s flight risk vs re-upping over being saddled with Beal.

[jayjaysee]

I think of all the options, I go with Ingram. No value coming back like in a Beal trade. And he’s not as good as this season’s Butler. But he is also will last through Giannis’ prime..

[drchaos]

I don't think Miami gives up Jimmy Butler for an expiring Middleton (33 years old with player option), and expiring Portis (29 years old with player option), and Beauchamp (unrestricted free agent) without any draft compensation coming back.

I understand that Butler has requested a trade but Miami is 17-17 and I don't see how they are going all in this year with these guys.

[BBallFreak]

I don't think Miami gives up Jimmy Butler for an expiring Middleton (33 years old with player option), and expiring Portis (29 years old with player option), and Beauchamp (unrestricted free agent) without any draft compensation coming back.

I understand that Butler has requested a trade but Miami is 17-17 and I don't see how they are going all in this year with these guys.

Yeah, this doesn't move the needle for us as is. We deserve actual compensation, not just a neutral package.

[buckboy]

This is so so bad for Milwaukee.

Beal has the worst contract in the NBA or close to it.

[JMAC3]

Yeah, this doesn't move the needle for us as is. We deserve actual compensation, not just a neutral package.

It is too late for that, Riley should have moved him the moment he decided not to pay him. Terrible management of the situation by them. You don't get to wait for the situation to run itself into the ground and then expect full payment for the damaged asset.

[BBallFreak]

Yeah, this doesn't move the needle for us as is. We deserve actual compensation, not just a neutral package.

It is too late for that, Riley should have moved him the moment he decided not to pay him. Terrible management of the situation by them. You don't get to wait for the situation to run itself into the ground and then expect full payment for the damaged asset.

We're not expecting full payment. We're expecting... Something! This isn't even that. This is nothing...

[JMAC3]

Yeah, this doesn't move the needle for us as is. We deserve actual compensation, not just a neutral package.

It is too late for that, Riley should have moved him the moment he decided not to pay him. Terrible management of the situation by them. You don't get to wait for the situation to run itself into the ground and then expect full payment for the damaged asset.

We're not expecting full payment. We're expecting... Something! This isn't even that. This is nothing...

Lol please tell us what a reasonable return is then... something as in an NBA Allstar like Damian Lillard?

You haven't had a reasonable counter offer yet.

[BBallFreak]

It is too late for that, Riley should have moved him the moment he decided not to pay him. Terrible management of the situation by them. You don't get to wait for the situation to run itself into the ground and then expect full payment for the damaged asset.

We're not expecting full payment. We're expecting... Something! This isn't even that. This is nothing...

Lol please tell us what a reasonable return is then... something as in an NBA Allstar like Damian Lillard?

You haven't had a reasonable counter offer yet.

I loved the rumored Memphis trade.

And all I'm asking for here is a real first from a good team. Not a lotto pick, just a first. Outside of that, if that's too much of an ask, a player who can help us get to the playoffs. Not an all-star, not a star, just a solid player. Middleton can't stay healthy and Portis is just okay. We're due some damned value.

[chrbal]

- With Miami

Bucks in Beal, Dunn, Ighodaro, PHX 2031 FRP
Bucks out Middleton, Portis, Connaughton, Beauchamp, Wright, 2031 SRP

Phoenix in Butler, Wright
Phoenix out Beal, Dunn, Ighodaro, 2031 FRP

Miami in Middleton, Portis, Beauchamp
Miami out Butler

Detroit in Connaughton, MIL 2031 SRP
Detroit out nada

- Without Miami

Bucks in Beal, Dunn, Ighodaro, PHX 2031 FRP
Bucks out Middleton, Portis, Connaughton, Beauchamp, Wright, 2031 SRP

Phoenix in Middleton, Portis, Beauchamp, Wright
Phoenix out Beal, Dunn, Ighodaro, 2031 FRP

Detroit in Connaughton, MIL 2031 SRP
Detroit out nada.

Why Detroit? Lots of minutes to cover after Ivey going down and Pat can cover some. Good locker room guy with lots of playoff experience. That's also a cheap tradable contract for the Pistons moving forward while picking up another SRP.

Pats’ game is starting to slide down. 3 point percentage has been below 35% for 3 seasons a (including this one). A second round pick 7 drafts from now is not enough to take his contract on. This feels similar to when the Pistons took on Joe Harris

[JayMKE]

Hell to the naw, Beal is a nonstarter for the Bucks and would have all the same issues as Phoenix. He’d be even worse fit next to Dame than he would Booker. Bucks would just take Jimmy or not be involved. Bucks would be fine risking him opting out.