The LeBron James All-NBA (2nd) and Luka Doncic - 24-25 Thread

[nzahir]

Max has value but I'm not trusting him over Butler when it matters.

Funyn enough can make the math work by keeping Max, but need to move Knecht (Vincent, Vando, Rui, Knecht, JHS, and Hayes)

6 for 1. Gonna need a 3rd team. Miami sends the 2nd(s) to 3rd/4th team to help transact. I dont see them getting 1 young prospect better than Knecht in a deal

We have 6m before 2nd apron

Reaves, Butler, DFS, Bron, AD
Milton, Christie, Cam, Wood
Bronny

Notable decent cheap names to get in trades with picks/swaps

PG: Nembhard, Jose Alvarado,
SG: TY Jerome, Keon Ellis, GTJ
Sf and PF Jovic, GG Jackson, Yabusele, Camara
C: Kessler

Best FAs:
Pgs: Fultz, DSJ
SG-PF: Justin Holiday, Bates Diop, RoCo, MArcus Morris
C: Biyombo

If you can snag 1-2 of the cheap names in a deal, then I would honestly do it. Not very realistic though

You need a minimum of 14 players on roster, don't think Lakers would have the cap to add the minimums required after the trade. About $1.6m per player would be $6.4m for 4 to make it to 14 players.

We have 11 guys left, so need 3 more no?

Also can sign some cheaper guys rather than old vets no?

And depends on the date of the trade rate? Prorated contracts

[nzahir]

Usually when a guy has one year left on his deal his agent can direct where his client goes via trade.

That's an off-season discussion anyways. i just think that Fox is good and realistic enough. So unless LAL can get a game changer or 2 rock solid role players, they probably should keep draft picks

Cant keep on waiting for the "right deal"

This team was stupid enough to not push in more chips in 2022-2023 at the deadline

Maybe we could have won the chip that year if we had another C to help vs Jokic and or if we got Conley instead of Dlo

If we can get Fox THIS deadline, sure. Rui, Knecht, Vincent, salary filler, 2 1sts, 3 swaps (26, 28, 30) for Fox and Len

Fox, Reaves, DFS, Bron, AD
Milton, Christie, Vando, Wood, Len

Does this even help us honestly? We got smaller and have very little depth

"The right deal" is their only hope because AD and Lebron aren't good enough anymore. People should face reality stop fooling yourself

I think Hou would outbid us, unless we threw in Reaves

Say KD was available, would you move AR for him?

AR, Rui, Vando, Gabe straight up

Still have JHS, Knecht, and min salaries to move if needed and picks and swaps

pg?, Christie, KD, Bron, AD
Milton, Knecht, DFS, Wood

[Mos_Heat]

Cant keep on waiting for the "right deal"

This team was stupid enough to not push in more chips in 2022-2023 at the deadline

Maybe we could have won the chip that year if we had another C to help vs Jokic and or if we got Conley instead of Dlo

If we can get Fox THIS deadline, sure. Rui, Knecht, Vincent, salary filler, 2 1sts, 3 swaps (26, 28, 30) for Fox and Len

Fox, Reaves, DFS, Bron, AD
Milton, Christie, Vando, Wood, Len

Does this even help us honestly? We got smaller and have very little depth

"The right deal" is their only hope because AD and Lebron aren't good enough anymore. People should face reality stop fooling yourself

I think Hou would outbid us, unless we threw in Reaves

Say KD was available, would you move AR for him?

AR, Rui, Vando, Gabe straight up

Still have JHS, Knecht, and min salaries to move if needed and picks and swaps

pg?, Christie, KD, Bron, AD
Milton, Knecht, DFS, Wood

If it's just Reaves and fillers then probably. Reaves is not consistent enough as a primary creator and would want 25M+ for his next deal

[Tracymcgoaty]

Usually when a guy has one year left on his deal his agent can direct where his client goes via trade.

That's an off-season discussion anyways. i just think that Fox is good and realistic enough. So unless LAL can get a game changer or 2 rock solid role players, they probably should keep draft picks

Cant keep on waiting for the "right deal"

This team was stupid enough to not push in more chips in 2022-2023 at the deadline

Maybe we could have won the chip that year if we had another C to help vs Jokic and or if we got Conley instead of Dlo

If we can get Fox THIS deadline, sure. Rui, Knecht, Vincent, salary filler, 2 1sts, 3 swaps (26, 28, 30) for Fox and Len

Fox, Reaves, DFS, Bron, AD
Milton, Christie, Vando, Wood, Len

Does this even help us honestly? We got smaller and have very little depth

"The right deal" is their only hope because AD and Lebron aren't good enough anymore. People should face reality stop fooling yourself

The only dude that needs to know this is pelinka. If he's smart he doesn't trade any assets. There are no trades out there that move the needle of this team to contender status. So far he's been smart about it. Will it piss off Lebron and AD if he doesn't make trades? Probably but at this point their words shouldnt hold the same weight as it once did.

[nzahir]

Cant keep on waiting for the "right deal"

This team was stupid enough to not push in more chips in 2022-2023 at the deadline

Maybe we could have won the chip that year if we had another C to help vs Jokic and or if we got Conley instead of Dlo

If we can get Fox THIS deadline, sure. Rui, Knecht, Vincent, salary filler, 2 1sts, 3 swaps (26, 28, 30) for Fox and Len

Fox, Reaves, DFS, Bron, AD
Milton, Christie, Vando, Wood, Len

Does this even help us honestly? We got smaller and have very little depth

"The right deal" is their only hope because AD and Lebron aren't good enough anymore. People should face reality stop fooling yourself

The only dude that needs to know this is pelinka. If he's smart he doesn't trade any assets. There are no trades out there that move the needle of this team to contender status. So far he's been smart about it. Will it piss off Lebron and AD if he doesn't make trades? Probably but at this point their words shouldnt hold the same weight as it once did.

What about Fox or Durant?

You think any of those push us to contenders?

Other idea is even less realistic I think, but trade for Lavine and Kessler. Give up AR (get value for him to get Kessler), Vando, Rui, Vincent and get back those 2 and some sort of wing or guard (depends what team gets AR)

Lavine, Christie, DFS, Bron, AD,
???, Wood, Kessler

[zimpy27]

Funyn enough can make the math work by keeping Max, but need to move Knecht (Vincent, Vando, Rui, Knecht, JHS, and Hayes)

6 for 1. Gonna need a 3rd team. Miami sends the 2nd(s) to 3rd/4th team to help transact. I dont see them getting 1 young prospect better than Knecht in a deal

We have 6m before 2nd apron

Reaves, Butler, DFS, Bron, AD
Milton, Christie, Cam, Wood
Bronny

Notable decent cheap names to get in trades with picks/swaps

PG: Nembhard, Jose Alvarado,
SG: TY Jerome, Keon Ellis, GTJ
Sf and PF Jovic, GG Jackson, Yabusele, Camara
C: Kessler

Best FAs:
Pgs: Fultz, DSJ
SG-PF: Justin Holiday, Bates Diop, RoCo, MArcus Morris
C: Biyombo

If you can snag 1-2 of the cheap names in a deal, then I would honestly do it. Not very realistic though

You need a minimum of 14 players on roster, don't think Lakers would have the cap to add the minimums required after the trade. About $1.6m per player would be $6.4m for 4 to make it to 14 players.

We have 11 guys left, so need 3 more no?

Also can sign some cheaper guys rather than old vets no?

And depends on the date of the trade rate? Prorated contracts

You traded 6 to get 1. Meaning we are down to 11. But anyway I don't think it's possible without Christie.

[zimpy27]

Seriously GG Rob for not touching those picks. Dude saw what it took a whle for me to see.

Keep the picks and move on from AD and Lebron.

The narrative where Rob Pelinka gets credit long-term and never leaves the Lakers is the worst possible outcome for Lakers fans.

[zimpy27]

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I'm starting to think that maybe Murray is in the cards.

Lakers get Murray, Theis
Pelicans get Rui, Vincent, JHS, LAL28swap, LAL29FRP

Murray, Reaves, DFS, LeBron, Davis
Christie, Knecht, Vando, Wood, Theis

[nzahir]

Seriously GG Rob for not touching those picks. Dude saw what it took a whle for me to see.

Keep the picks and move on from AD and Lebron.

The narrative where Rob Pelinka gets credit long-term and never leaves the Lakers is the worst possible outcome for Lakers fans.

Dont worry theyll trade some picks in 2060

Theres no point in being in the middle or a play in team again

Either push in some god damn chips or blow it up

Trade assets for a young guy preferably so you can recoup assets or have as a rotation guy for years to come

For ex: AD can be traded now for assets and honestly he may get back a lot of the value, even with being 5 years older and having more injuries and Lakers got a ring out of it

[nzahir]

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I'm starting to think that maybe Murray is in the cards.

Lakers get Murray, Theis
Pelicans get Rui, Vincent, JHS, LAL28swap, LAL29FRP

Murray, Reaves, DFS, LeBron, Davis
Christie, Knecht, Vando, Wood, Theis

Meh, not sure that moves the needle, but we are buying low (Not sure Pels sell low on him in 1 year, thinking BI goes out realistically)

Also our floor spacing is meh

DJM is actually playing decent defensively this years, offense has been horrific, but had a very good game tonight with Zion back

I would want to keep Rui and swap Vando out if possible, not enough shooting without him

Also this forces DJM or Reaves to guard the bigger guard, not ideal. Max has been playing good defense and hustling for us

[Tracymcgoaty]

Seriously GG Rob for not touching those picks. Dude saw what it took a whle for me to see.

Keep the picks and move on from AD and Lebron.

The narrative where Rob Pelinka gets credit long-term and never leaves the Lakers is the worst possible outcome for Lakers fans.

Rob would stay regardless as long as jeanie is the owner. Keep the team you got maybe trade AD för a haul. When the picks we owe are no more start a rebuild.

[Tracymcgoaty]

Seriously GG Rob for not touching those picks. Dude saw what it took a whle for me to see.

Keep the picks and move on from AD and Lebron.

The narrative where Rob Pelinka gets credit long-term and never leaves the Lakers is the worst possible outcome for Lakers fans.

Dont worry theyll trade some picks in 2060

Theres no point in being in the middle or a play in team again

Either push in some god damn chips or blow it up

Trade assets for a young guy preferably so you can recoup assets or have as a rotation guy for years to come

For ex: AD can be traded now for assets and honestly he may get back a lot of the value, even with being 5 years older and having more injuries and Lakers got a ring out of it

If AD wants to get traded all he needs to do is request it. Hopefully Rob doesnt waste anymore assets. No trade out there that moves this team to legit contenders. Not when the duo consists of a 40 year old and an inconsistent 1st option. Timeline for contending with this team is ovah.

Main thing needs to be avoiding giving up a great pick to the teams we owe. Keep the assets and tell lebron and AD to deal with what they have.

Could pick up Dwight we wont have to give up anything for him

[Ian Scuffling]

As a Lebron fan, I have to echo Tracymcgoaty's comments regarding the Lakers. A Lakers fan will look at this from a different perspective, I think, than most "just" Lebron fans. The Lakers are toast. I don't see a deal that makes them a legitimate contender out there. And the fact of the matter is that their two best players are a 40 year old, who while still is a top 10 offensive player in the league is just not that guy anymore. That's not a disparagement on him, either. He's 40. The greatest 40 year old ever. Especially, for a wing. It's no contest. But, again, he's 40 and it shows its ugly head on the defensive side of the court every game. The other best player is so inconsistent and soft it boggles the mind. He's not a number one and it's fairly obvious. The support players are just not that good and as usual overrated by fans. This team is about where it should be. A middling play-in team. My advice is just to enjoy Lebron's play (and dunks like that one last night) and not worry about champsionships. He seems to have done this, so...

[1993Playoffs]

Losing to the Luka and Kyrie - less Maverick is a complete joke

[zimpy27]

The narrative where Rob Pelinka gets credit long-term and never leaves the Lakers is the worst possible outcome for Lakers fans.

Dont worry theyll trade some picks in 2060

Theres no point in being in the middle or a play in team again

Either push in some god damn chips or blow it up

Trade assets for a young guy preferably so you can recoup assets or have as a rotation guy for years to come

For ex: AD can be traded now for assets and honestly he may get back a lot of the value, even with being 5 years older and having more injuries and Lakers got a ring out of it

If AD wants to get traded all he needs to do is request it. Hopefully Rob doesnt waste anymore assets. No trade out there that moves this team to legit contenders. Not when the duo consists of a 40 year old and an inconsistent 1st option. Timeline for contending with this team is ovah.

Main thing needs to be avoiding giving up a great pick to the teams we owe. Keep the assets and tell lebron and AD to deal with what they have.

Could pick up Dwight we wont have to give up anything for him

Lakers can use a pick on a young guy that willing be there anyway in 2028-29 season. Don't think Lakers need to bottom out.

I think Lakers have enough talent to win a championship but there are a couple things:
- Davis and LeBron played Olympics and it was expected that they have a down RS, at least to begin.
- The team has lacked crispness and focus, they could get that by seasons end, who knows.
- They need another playmaker who can defend.

[mademan]

Dont worry theyll trade some picks in 2060

Theres no point in being in the middle or a play in team again

Either push in some god damn chips or blow it up

Trade assets for a young guy preferably so you can recoup assets or have as a rotation guy for years to come

For ex: AD can be traded now for assets and honestly he may get back a lot of the value, even with being 5 years older and having more injuries and Lakers got a ring out of it

If AD wants to get traded all he needs to do is request it. Hopefully Rob doesnt waste anymore assets. No trade out there that moves this team to legit contenders. Not when the duo consists of a 40 year old and an inconsistent 1st option. Timeline for contending with this team is ovah.

Main thing needs to be avoiding giving up a great pick to the teams we owe. Keep the assets and tell lebron and AD to deal with what they have.

Could pick up Dwight we wont have to give up anything for him

Lakers can use a pick on a young guy that willing be there anyway in 2028-29 season. Don't think Lakers need to bottom out.

I think Lakers have enough talent to win a championship but there are a couple things:
- Davis and LeBron played Olympics and it was expected that they have a down RS, at least to begin.
- The team has lacked crispness and focus, they could get that by seasons end, who knows.
- They need another playmaker who can defend.

The Lakers just arent good enough defensively and dont have the players to be good enough defensively to win a championship. The rotation has like 3-4 guys who play D...thats just not enough. They can probably beat most teams in the West if things go their way, but thats something you can say about 6-7 different squads

I see no way they can put up a challenge against OKC tho. OKC has problems scoring at times, so a strong defense and a strong offensive pairing like Luka/Kyrie or Ja/Bane might be able to push them on games where both teams score under 100. A bad defense like the Lakers cant grind out those wins tho

[Tracymcgoaty]

Dont worry theyll trade some picks in 2060

Theres no point in being in the middle or a play in team again

Either push in some god damn chips or blow it up

Trade assets for a young guy preferably so you can recoup assets or have as a rotation guy for years to come

For ex: AD can be traded now for assets and honestly he may get back a lot of the value, even with being 5 years older and having more injuries and Lakers got a ring out of it

If AD wants to get traded all he needs to do is request it. Hopefully Rob doesnt waste anymore assets. No trade out there that moves this team to legit contenders. Not when the duo consists of a 40 year old and an inconsistent 1st option. Timeline for contending with this team is ovah.

Main thing needs to be avoiding giving up a great pick to the teams we owe. Keep the assets and tell lebron and AD to deal with what they have.

Could pick up Dwight we wont have to give up anything for him

Lakers can use a pick on a young guy that willing be there anyway in 2028-29 season. Don't think Lakers need to bottom out.

I think Lakers have enough talent to win a championship but there are a couple things:
- Davis and LeBron played Olympics and it was expected that they have a down RS, at least to begin.
- The team has lacked crispness and focus, they could get that by seasons end, who knows.
- They need another playmaker who can defend.

Dont think there's been one instance or even flash this season where we looked like a legit team so i dont know where people get us being able to win a chip comes from.

Majority of laker fans know this team has too many holes to plug. I think people are still stuck on Lebron/AD being good enough to be that difference and they're just not.

[zimpy27]

If AD wants to get traded all he needs to do is request it. Hopefully Rob doesnt waste anymore assets. No trade out there that moves this team to legit contenders. Not when the duo consists of a 40 year old and an inconsistent 1st option. Timeline for contending with this team is ovah.

Main thing needs to be avoiding giving up a great pick to the teams we owe. Keep the assets and tell lebron and AD to deal with what they have.

Could pick up Dwight we wont have to give up anything for him

Lakers can use a pick on a young guy that willing be there anyway in 2028-29 season. Don't think Lakers need to bottom out.

I think Lakers have enough talent to win a championship but there are a couple things:
- Davis and LeBron played Olympics and it was expected that they have a down RS, at least to begin.
- The team has lacked crispness and focus, they could get that by seasons end, who knows.
- They need another playmaker who can defend.

The Lakers just arent good enough defensively and dont have the players to be good enough defensively to win a championship. The rotation has like 3-4 guys who play D...thats just not enough. They can probably beat most teams in the West if things go their way, but thats something you can say about 6-7 different squads

I see no way they can put up a challenge against OKC tho. OKC has problems scoring at times, so a strong defense and a strong offensive pairing like Luka/Kyrie or Ja/Bane might be able to push them on games where both teams score under 100. A bad defense like the Lakers cant grind out those wins tho

PG: Reaves (38) | LeBron (10)
SG: Christie (32) | DFS (16)
SF: DFS (22) | Rui (18) | Vando (10)
PF: LeBron (28) | Rui (10) | Vando (8)
C : Davis (40) | Rui (8)

12 mins: Reaves, Christie, DFS, LeBron, Davis
10 mins: Reaves, Christie, Rui, Vando, Davis
10 mins: LeBron, Christie, DFS, Rui, Davis
8 mins: Reaves, DFS, Rui, LeBron, Davis
8 mins: Reaves, DFS, Vando, LeBron, Rui

In a tight playoff rotation, if the above guys are all healthy, I think Lakers have more than enough dynamic size and defense mixed with scoring to be a true contender. I'd have them as 4th most likely after OKC, BOS, CLE


Lakers are struggling gin RS because LeBron and Davis are low motor in RS, they will turn it up in playoffs.
Lakers also don't have great players beyond the above 7 you'd have in a playoff rotation.

The backups are Vincent, Milton, Reddish, Knecht, Wood, Hayes. They can play spot minutes but none of them are particularly impactful. Wood has best chance to be an impact piece when he is healthy.

I'd be happy to turn Vincent, JHS, Knecht in to an 8th man in the playoffs rotation. Doesn't need FRPs.

[trickshot]

20-16 isn't actually horrible and matches the eyetest. It's not some juggernaut team. It's a team built around playing an elimination game lineup for 82 games when you know Lebron/AD are low motor for better and let's be honest, mostly worse. I think it's a bad idea but even the best case was never going to be a top 3 seed. Best case flow is now win 5 lose 3, then if you trade lucky drop the 3 to 2, get to the playoffs as a mid seed and getting lucky with matchups in a very mid-league.

[zimpy27]

I think Lakers could get the Cavs 2025 FRP from the Jazz if they unprotected the 2027 FRP.

I think maybe that's an asset Lakers could add to Vincent+JHS to get someone decent.


Or a trade like Vincent+JHS+unprotecting2027FRP for Jordan Clarkson. I think Clarkson as a 6th man for the Lakers could make sense, that's the sort of move I'm expecting to actually happen.