No Multiple All-NBA 1st Teams Draft SF2 - Fadeaway_J vs. Snakebites*

[Fadeaway_J]

Here is a quick list of what you need in your writeup.

1. Specific years for each player on your team
2. Rotations and minutes for each player
3. Reasoning as to why your team will win and/or why people should vote for you.

Do not vote in this thread until both managers have submitted their writeups. Once the writeups are posted, I will add a poll, and the team with the most votes after 24 hours will advance. EACH MANAGER SHOULD ALSO VOTE FOR THEIR OWN TEAM IN THE POLL - IF YOU FAIL TO DO THIS, YOU ARE SIMPLY GIVING AWAY A VOTE. If the votes are tied, we will decide the matchup via AI vote.

You are not required to state or explain your vote, but you are free to comment in the thread if you want to.

If writeups aren't posted within 24 hours, we will vote solely based on the players they have drafted (and any rotations they have posted on their roster page).

[Fadeaway_J]

Starters
C - Kristaps Porzingis (2023-24)

Spoiler:

20.1 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 2.0 apg, 0.7 spg, 1.9 bpg, .516 FG%, .375 3P%, .858 FT%, 110 3P (1.9 pg), .647 TS%
- NBA Champion

PF - Jalen Williams (2023-24)

Spoiler:

19.1 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 4.5 apg, 1.1 spg, 0.6 bpg, .540 FG%, .427 3P%, .814 FT%, 103 3P (1.5 pg), .621 TS%

SF - Jimmy Butler (2022-23)

Spoiler:

22.9 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 5.3 apg, 1.8 spg, 0.3 bpg, .539 FG%, .350 3P%, .850 FT%, 36 3P (0.6 pg), .647 TS%
- All-NBA Second Team

SG - Devin Booker (2023-24)

Spoiler:

27.1 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 6.9 apg, 0.9 spg, 0.4 bpg, .492 FG%, .364 3P%, .886 FT%, 152 3P (2.2 pg), .611 TS%
- NBA All-Star
- All-NBA Third Team

PG - Jrue Holiday (2023-24)

Spoiler:

12.5 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 4.8 apg, 0.9 spg, 0.8 bpg, .480 FG%, .429 3P%, .833 FT%, 138 3P (2.0 pg), .597 TS%
- All-Defensive Second Team

Bench
C - Andrew Bogut (2015-16)

Spoiler:

5.4 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 2.3 apg, 0.5 spg, 1.6 bpg, .627 FG%, .480 FT%, .623 TS%

F - P.J. Tucker (2017-18)

Spoiler:

6.1 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 0.9 apg, 1.0 spg, 0.3 bpg, .390 FG%, .371 3P%, .717 FT%, 115 3P (1.4 pg), .537 TS%

G - Patty Mills (2013-14)

Spoiler:

10.2 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 1.8 apg, 0.8 spg, 0.1 bpg, .464 FG%, .425 3P%, .890 FT%, 135 3P (1.7 pg), .588 TS%
- NBA Champion

Rotations
C - Porzingis (32), Bogut (16)
PF - Williams (24), Tucker (24)
SF - Butler (38), Williams (10)
SG - Booker (40), Holiday (8)
PG - Holiday (30), Mills (18)

FGA Per Player

Spoiler:

Jimmy Butler - 13.9
Kristaps Porzingis - 13.2
Devin Booker - 19.2
Jrue Holiday - 10.0
P.J. Tucker - 5.4
Jalen Williams - 14.0
Andrew Bogut - 4.0
Patty Mills - 8.2

Total: 87.9/88.0

The objective with this team was to build a fascimile of the OKC Thunder build, with a spread floor and five players who can handle, pass, and shoot. Despite the restrictions, we have two legit lead scorers in Butler and Booker, who can also play off the ball and create for others. J-Dub is our do-it-all third option on the perimeter, while Porzingis provides elite finishing in the post, as a roll man, or spotting up beyond the arc. Jrue slots into the lower-usage role he now enjoys in Boston, allowing him to focus on knocking down open threes and attacking the weakest perimeter defender. Mills gives us a dynamic creator to run the second unit.

Defensively, we have two elite drop bigs in Porzingis and Bogut, and then a bunch of rangy, versatile wings around them. Jrue has the primary POA duties, but any one of Butler, J-Dub, or Tucker can also switch onto the opponent's primary perimeter threat.

Matchup
- Defensive assignments will be Booker-Lowry, Jrue-Allen, Booker-Bridges, J-Dub-Lewis, Porzingis-Zo. We switch off-ball options 1 through 4 to deny open threes to Snake's shooters.
- Our starting lineups are somewhat similar in construction, but I think we have a few offensive advantages. First, we have two premium offensive engines in Butler and Booker, compared to one in Allen. Second, all four perimeter players can create not only for themselves but for others, which allows to keep the churn going until we find an opening. Lastly, Porzingis spaces Zo out in a way that isn't true in reverse, compromising Snake's rim protection while Porzingis can remain in position around the basket.
- While both teams have solid benches, I feel like Mills with his off-the-dribble creation and Bogut with his passing give our second unit an additional offensive dimension, compared to McMillan/OG/Birdman.

Good luck Snake.

[Snakebites]

PG: 2017-18 Kyle Lowry 12.1 FGA- All Star
SG: 2000-01 Ray Allen 16.0 FGA- All NBA Third
SF: 2022-23 Mikal Bridges 15.3 FGA
PF: 2008-09 Rashard Lewis 13.8 FGA- All Star
C: 1998-99 Alonzo Mourning 13.8 FGA- All NBA First, DPOY, 2nd in MVP Vote

B: 1993-94 Nate McMillain 5.4 FGA- All Defensive 2nd, 2nd in 6MOY Vote
B: 2019-20 OG Anunoby 8.2 FGA- 3 and D Swing
B: 2012-13 Chris Andersen 3.0 FGA

Rotation:

Lowry (38)/Nate (10)
Allen (38)/Nate (10)
Bridges (38)/OG (10)
Lewis (36)/OG (12)
Mourning (38)/Andersen (10)

Alrighty, don’t really have time for a big song and dance here as I’m quite busy today. I’ll just make a few points:

1) Once again I think my offense can outpace most opponents due to proficiency from beyond the arc- 4 of my five starters are volume 3-point shooters in the chosen seasons. Fade has proficient shooting as well, but he’s met his match here.

2) Porzingis doesn’t have the durability to bang with Zo down low for this many minutes, and he’ll be doing it solo thanks to my spacing.

3) Bridges is an elite wing defender, and prime Kyle Lowry, while standing a relatively short 6 foot, was always strong enough to take on larger players. These together with my high end rim protection from DPOY Zo give me a strong network of defense to contain an admittedly formidable opponent. OG is also an effective secret weapon off the bench.

GL Fade

[Fadeaway_J]

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Ready for votes. Snake, please vote for yourself as well.

[MadNESS]

So what do we do in a 5-5 tie

[wackbone]

So what do we do in a 5-5 tie

Leave it to AI? Not sure how else to do it tbh

[Fadeaway_J]

So what do we do in a 5-5 tie

AI vote

[durantbird]

Fade asked to query ChatGPT for the matchup

ChatGPT vote Snakebites

Spoiler:

Here's a comparison and analysis of the two teams:


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Fadeaway_J Team

Strengths:

1. Dynamic Scoring Options: Devin Booker and Jimmy Butler provide elite scoring and playmaking. Booker is a sharpshooter and primary scorer, while Butler is versatile with defense and clutch ability.


2. Defensive Versatility: Jrue Holiday is one of the best perimeter defenders, and P.J. Tucker adds toughness and physicality. Porzingis provides shot-blocking.


3. Spacing: Porzingis at center stretches the floor with his shooting, and Booker, Butler, and Jalen Williams provide solid spacing as well.



Weaknesses:

1. Interior Defense: While Porzingis blocks shots, he’s not as effective against physical centers like Mourning. Bogut adds some defensive presence off the bench but lacks mobility.


2. Bench Scoring: The bench lacks consistent offensive punch, relying heavily on Patty Mills.




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Snakebites Team

Strengths:

1. Elite Defense: Alonzo Mourning is a dominant defensive anchor, backed by versatile defenders like Mikal Bridges, OG Anunoby, and Nate McMillan.


2. Balanced Scoring: Ray Allen provides elite shooting and scoring, while Rashard Lewis adds stretch-4 capabilities. Kyle Lowry and Allen also contribute as ball-handlers and decision-makers.


3. Depth: The bench has defensive specialists and energy players like Nate McMillan and Chris Andersen to maintain intensity.



Weaknesses:

1. Limited Interior Scoring: Mourning is the only reliable interior scorer, and the team may rely too heavily on perimeter shooting from Allen, Lewis, and Bridges.


2. Playmaking Depth: Outside of Lowry and Allen, the team lacks secondary playmakers, which could lead to stagnation in offensive sets.




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Head-to-Head Matchup

1. Star Power:

Fadeaway_J leans on Booker and Butler as the main offensive engines.

Snakebites relies on Allen, Mourning, and Lowry, with a more balanced overall attack.



2. Defense:

Snakebites has a clear edge with Mourning as the defensive anchor and versatile defenders like Bridges and McMillan.

Fadeaway_J’s defense is strong on the perimeter with Holiday and Tucker but weaker inside.



3. Bench Contributions:

Snakebites’ bench adds defense and energy but little scoring.

Fadeaway_J’s bench offers shooting (Mills) and some physicality (Bogut), though it is also limited offensively.



4. Fit and Chemistry:

Snakebites’ roster seems more balanced, with defined roles for scorers, defenders, and energy players.

Fadeaway_J’s team may rely too heavily on Booker and Butler for offense, with limited help from the bench.





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Verdict:

Snakebites Team has the edge due to better defensive balance, versatility, and a more consistent interior presence with Mourning. While Fadeaway_J’s team has star power and shooting, the lack of interior defense and bench scoring may prove costly in a head-to-head matchup.

[Fadeaway_J]

Fade asked to query ChatGPT for the matchup

ChatGPT vote Snakebites

Spoiler:

Here's a comparison and analysis of the two teams:


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Fadeaway_J Team

Strengths:

1. Dynamic Scoring Options: Devin Booker and Jimmy Butler provide elite scoring and playmaking. Booker is a sharpshooter and primary scorer, while Butler is versatile with defense and clutch ability.


2. Defensive Versatility: Jrue Holiday is one of the best perimeter defenders, and P.J. Tucker adds toughness and physicality. Porzingis provides shot-blocking.


3. Spacing: Porzingis at center stretches the floor with his shooting, and Booker, Butler, and Jalen Williams provide solid spacing as well.



Weaknesses:

1. Interior Defense: While Porzingis blocks shots, he’s not as effective against physical centers like Mourning. Bogut adds some defensive presence off the bench but lacks mobility.


2. Bench Scoring: The bench lacks consistent offensive punch, relying heavily on Patty Mills.




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Snakebites Team

Strengths:

1. Elite Defense: Alonzo Mourning is a dominant defensive anchor, backed by versatile defenders like Mikal Bridges, OG Anunoby, and Nate McMillan.


2. Balanced Scoring: Ray Allen provides elite shooting and scoring, while Rashard Lewis adds stretch-4 capabilities. Kyle Lowry and Allen also contribute as ball-handlers and decision-makers.


3. Depth: The bench has defensive specialists and energy players like Nate McMillan and Chris Andersen to maintain intensity.



Weaknesses:

1. Limited Interior Scoring: Mourning is the only reliable interior scorer, and the team may rely too heavily on perimeter shooting from Allen, Lewis, and Bridges.


2. Playmaking Depth: Outside of Lowry and Allen, the team lacks secondary playmakers, which could lead to stagnation in offensive sets.




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Head-to-Head Matchup

1. Star Power:

Fadeaway_J leans on Booker and Butler as the main offensive engines.

Snakebites relies on Allen, Mourning, and Lowry, with a more balanced overall attack.



2. Defense:

Snakebites has a clear edge with Mourning as the defensive anchor and versatile defenders like Bridges and McMillan.

Fadeaway_J’s defense is strong on the perimeter with Holiday and Tucker but weaker inside.



3. Bench Contributions:

Snakebites’ bench adds defense and energy but little scoring.

Fadeaway_J’s bench offers shooting (Mills) and some physicality (Bogut), though it is also limited offensively.



4. Fit and Chemistry:

Snakebites’ roster seems more balanced, with defined roles for scorers, defenders, and energy players.

Fadeaway_J’s team may rely too heavily on Booker and Butler for offense, with limited help from the bench.





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Verdict:

Snakebites Team has the edge due to better defensive balance, versatility, and a more consistent interior presence with Mourning. While Fadeaway_J’s team has star power and shooting, the lack of interior defense and bench scoring may prove costly in a head-to-head matchup.

So, I wasn't clear in my request to durantbird that I wanted the query done if we were still tied when the poll closed.

We'll just wait until 10:37, and if it's still tied than this vote will be the decider. It's been stuck at 5-5 for a while so I don't expect a change at this point.

Thanks durantbird.

[Fadeaway_J]

Snake advances