DEN-GSW Trade

rambo_ortega · Post #1 » by **rambo_ortega** » Tue Jan 7, 2025 11:41 am

Nuggets Get:
Andrew Wiggins
Buddy Hield

They get solid rotation pieces that fits their roster

Jokic/Gordon/Wiggins/Hield/Murray
DJ/Watson/Braun/Strawther/Westbrook

Warriors Get:
Michael Porter Jr.

Dubs get a young borderline All Star who can shine in this system

Green/MPJ/Kuminga/Schroder/Curry
TJD/Anderson/Moody/GP3/Podziemski

nomansland · Post #2 » by **nomansland** » Tue Jan 7, 2025 12:53 pm

My gut said "no way!" but I wanted to check the numbers. It doesn't work on the ESPN trade machine. It works on the RealGM trade checker but the results are pretty disastrous for Denver in terms of production.

So I'll stick with "no way!"

Numbers aside, Denver would be crazy to send Porter to Golden State of all places. If they were to send him anywhere (which very probably won't happen), send him east.

Post #3 » by **gswhoops** » Tue Jan 7, 2025 3:11 pm

Wiggins is a straight up better player than MPJ. Easy pass.

xdrta+ · Post #4 » by **xdrta+** » Tue Jan 7, 2025 4:09 pm

Doesn't work for the Warriors. Taking back $800k more than they send out puts them over their hard cap, plus they have to add a player to get to 14.

BelgradeNugget · Post #5 » by **BelgradeNugget** » Tue Jan 7, 2025 4:30 pm

nomansland wrote:My gut said "no way!" but I wanted to check the numbers. It doesn't work on the ESPN trade machine. It works on the RealGM trade checker but the results are pretty disastrous for Denver in terms of production.

So I'll stick with "no way!"

Numbers aside, Denver would be crazy to send Porter to Golden State of all places. If they were to send him anywhere (which very probably won't happen), send him east.

Porter is having his best season and Wiggins and Buddy are Wiggins and Buddy. No thanks

DonaldSanders · Post #6 » by **DonaldSanders** » Tue Jan 7, 2025 5:44 pm

Both guys are having nice years so I am confused why either team would be motivated to do this?

The "Why" here needs to be hashed out more.

nomansland · Post #7 » by **nomansland** » Wed Jan 8, 2025 8:50 am

gswhoops wrote:Wiggins is a straight up better player than MPJ. Easy pass.

That's a take I never would have expected. :lol:

I'd love to hear what other people would say about that.

Post #8 » by **gswhoops** » Wed Jan 8, 2025 4:27 pm

nomansland wrote:
gswhoops wrote:Wiggins is a straight up better player than MPJ. Easy pass.

That's a take I never would have expected.

I'd love to hear what other people would say about that.

Defense is a thing, despite how much as MPJ pretends it isn't.

kobe_vs_jordan · Post #9 » by **kobe_vs_jordan** » Wed Jan 8, 2025 5:34 pm

nomansland wrote:
gswhoops wrote:Wiggins is a straight up better player than MPJ. Easy pass.

That's a take I never would have expected.

I'd love to hear what other people would say about that.

16 PPG with defense vs 19 PPG on higher efficiency meh defense but better rebounding. Per 100 possessions gives Wiggins the PPG advantage.

Think more playoffs teams would desire Wiggins defense than MPJ offense . Could make a case that MPJ has the higher ceiling if he a clear second option on a team.

nomansland · Post #10 » by **nomansland** » Wed Jan 8, 2025 5:35 pm

gswhoops wrote:
nomansland wrote:
gswhoops wrote:Wiggins is a straight up better player than MPJ. Easy pass.

That's a take I never would have expected.

I'd love to hear what other people would say about that.

Defense is a thing, despite how much as MPJ pretends it isn't.

Porter's defense was bad a few years ago but it's gotten a lot better. And it's not like Wiggins is some defensive menace.

If you want to talk about contracts, that's one thing, but to say Wiggins is a straight up better player is crazy.

Post #11 » by **gswhoops** » Wed Jan 8, 2025 6:10 pm

nomansland wrote:
gswhoops wrote:
nomansland wrote:
That's a take I never would have expected.

I'd love to hear what other people would say about that.

Defense is a thing, despite how much as MPJ pretends it isn't.

Porter's defense was bad a few years ago but it's gotten a lot better. And it's not like Wiggins is some defensive menace.

If you want to talk about contracts, that's one thing, but to say Wiggins is a straight up better player is crazy.

And yet somehow Wiggins is ahead of MPJ in most advanced metrics (BPM, VORP, WS/48, tied in PER despite PER not factoring in defense).

BelgradeNugget · Post #12 » by **BelgradeNugget** » Wed Jan 8, 2025 7:17 pm

GSW players netrtg

Stephen Curry 6.9
Draymond Green 4.2
Brandin Podziemski 2.1
Gary Payton II 1.9
Jonathan Kuminga 1.6
Kevon Looney 1.4
Buddy Hield 1.3
Andrew Wiggins -0.6

Nuggets players netrtg

Nikola Jokić 11.0
Aaron Gordon 8.0
Christian Braun 7.3
Michael Porter Jr. 6.1
Jamal Murray 4.8
Peyton Watson 0.1
Russell Westbrook -0.4

MPJ playes like Nuggets 4th best player. Wiggins playes like GSW's 8th best player. No thanks

Post #13 » by **gswhoops** » Wed Jan 8, 2025 7:20 pm

BelgradeNugget wrote:GSW players netrtg

Stephen Curry 6.9
Draymond Green 4.2
Brandin Podziemski 2.1
Gary Payton II 1.9
Jonathan Kuminga 1.6
Kevon Looney 1.4
Buddy Hield 1.3
Andrew Wiggins -0.6

Nuggets players netrtg

Nikola Jokić 11.0
Aaron Gordon 8.0
Christian Braun 7.3
Michael Porter Jr. 6.1
Jamal Murray 4.8
Peyton Watson 0.1
Russell Westbrook -0.4

MPJ playes like Nuggets 4th best player. Wiggins playes like GSW's 8th best player. No thanks

Net rating is an absolutely useless stat to compare players across teams.

Caris LeVert leads the league in net rating. Do you think that's because (1) he's the best player in the league, or (2) he plays for a very good team

BelgradeNugget · Post #14 » by **BelgradeNugget** » Wed Jan 8, 2025 7:31 pm

gswhoops wrote:
BelgradeNugget wrote:GSW players netrtg

Stephen Curry 6.9
Draymond Green 4.2
Brandin Podziemski 2.1
Gary Payton II 1.9
Jonathan Kuminga 1.6
Kevon Looney 1.4
Buddy Hield 1.3
Andrew Wiggins -0.6

Nuggets players netrtg

Nikola Jokić 11.0
Aaron Gordon 8.0
Christian Braun 7.3
Michael Porter Jr. 6.1
Jamal Murray 4.8
Peyton Watson 0.1
Russell Westbrook -0.4

MPJ playes like Nuggets 4th best player. Wiggins playes like GSW's 8th best player. No thanks

Net rating is an absolutely useless stat to compare players across teams.

Caris LeVert leads the league in net rating. Do you think that's because (1) he's the best player in the league, or (2) he plays for a very good team

I wasn't comparing players across teams. I'm comparing players in the same team. Read again. MPJ has 4th best netrtg of Nuggets players. Wiggins is 8th among GSW players. Sometimes netrtg can be too good or too bad for certain players (depending on rotations) but if your team is winning minutes with Podziemski, Payton II, Kuminga, Looney even Hield but losing minutes when Wiggins is on court does that says something?
BTW MPJ is better in EPM and Lebron.

squarepimpin · Post #15 » by **squarepimpin** » Thu Jan 9, 2025 12:20 am

Kerr Will probably play him at center

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Post #16 » by **jbk1234** » Thu Jan 9, 2025 5:33 am

gswhoops wrote:
BelgradeNugget wrote:GSW players netrtg

Stephen Curry 6.9
Draymond Green 4.2
Brandin Podziemski 2.1
Gary Payton II 1.9
Jonathan Kuminga 1.6
Kevon Looney 1.4
Buddy Hield 1.3
Andrew Wiggins -0.6

Nuggets players netrtg

Nikola Jokić 11.0
Aaron Gordon 8.0
Christian Braun 7.3
Michael Porter Jr. 6.1
Jamal Murray 4.8
Peyton Watson 0.1
Russell Westbrook -0.4

MPJ playes like Nuggets 4th best player. Wiggins playes like GSW's 8th best player. No thanks

Net rating is an absolutely useless stat to compare players across teams.

Caris LeVert leads the league in net rating. Do you think that's because (1) he's the best player in the league, or (2) he plays for a very good team

He's the best player in the league, obviously. The Cavs will listen to offers though.

BigGargamel · Post #17 » by **BigGargamel** » Fri Jan 10, 2025 8:16 am

This isn't the worst MPJ trade I've seen, but he's Denver's really only valuable trade chip, so I'd rather them aim higher or just keep him. Denver needs his offense bad right now. Other than Jokic, he's really their only dependable shooter at the moment.

I'd rank MPJ a bit higher than Wiggins, so I wouldn't make that move 1 for 1. Not interested in Buddy Hield at all. I'd hate to see him take minutes away from Strawther.

daoneandonly · Post #18 » by **daoneandonly** » Fri Jan 10, 2025 12:42 pm

Interesting concept, but I cant see GS taking on MPJ's deal given what he does and does not bring to the table

SkyHook · Post #19 » by **SkyHook** » Fri Jan 10, 2025 3:04 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
gswhoops wrote:
BelgradeNugget wrote:GSW players netrtg

Stephen Curry 6.9
Draymond Green 4.2
Brandin Podziemski 2.1
Gary Payton II 1.9
Jonathan Kuminga 1.6
Kevon Looney 1.4
Buddy Hield 1.3
Andrew Wiggins -0.6

Nuggets players netrtg

Nikola Jokić 11.0
Aaron Gordon 8.0
Christian Braun 7.3
Michael Porter Jr. 6.1
Jamal Murray 4.8
Peyton Watson 0.1
Russell Westbrook -0.4

MPJ playes like Nuggets 4th best player. Wiggins playes like GSW's 8th best player. No thanks

Net rating is an absolutely useless stat to compare players across teams.

Caris LeVert leads the league in net rating. Do you think that's because (1) he's the best player in the league, or (2) he plays for a very good team

He's the best player in the league, obviously. The Cavs will listen to offers though.

This is the best response.

Post #20 » by **gswhoops** » Fri Jan 10, 2025 6:27 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
gswhoops wrote:
BelgradeNugget wrote:GSW players netrtg

Stephen Curry 6.9
Draymond Green 4.2
Brandin Podziemski 2.1
Gary Payton II 1.9
Jonathan Kuminga 1.6
Kevon Looney 1.4
Buddy Hield 1.3
Andrew Wiggins -0.6

Nuggets players netrtg

Nikola Jokić 11.0
Aaron Gordon 8.0
Christian Braun 7.3
Michael Porter Jr. 6.1
Jamal Murray 4.8
Peyton Watson 0.1
Russell Westbrook -0.4

MPJ playes like Nuggets 4th best player. Wiggins playes like GSW's 8th best player. No thanks

Net rating is an absolutely useless stat to compare players across teams.

Caris LeVert leads the league in net rating. Do you think that's because (1) he's the best player in the league, or (2) he plays for a very good team

He's the best player in the league, obviously. The Cavs will listen to offers though.

How many firsts would we need to add to Curry to get LeVert