Lavine to Det now

[oldncreaky]

It's true that Detroit seems to want to make the playoffs and needs a guard, but there are options other than Lavine.

D-Lo is a good regular season innings-eater who can do an Ivey impression and can probably be had for free or near free.

Sexton and Ant Simons can probably be had for expirings and a protected 1st or a bushel of 2nds.

No reason to focus on Lavine.

I agree DET wants to make the playoffs -- but not by trading young assets or picks for vets

I disagree that DET "needs a guard" -- even with Ivey's injury, our needs are mostly on the front-line, especially if we are assuming Ivey returns next year.

I'm fine rolling with Beasley as the starting SG this season -- as another poster noted Beasley gives 80% of Lavine's production for 1/7 the cost. I'd like a better backup PG, but I'm not burning a FRP for it.

[oldncreaky]

Anybody we pick up should have no more than one more year left after the current season, not be ridiculously overpaid, and even better, potentially re-flippable for a better return if they ball out with a bigger scoring role in Detroit. We don’t need a potential all-star and can’t afford to pay for one anyway.

Personally, Simons looks like a good fit (I already thought that before he torched us tonight). 25.9 mil now and 27.7 mil next year is a little rough, but not terribly so.

The question is, what’s the price? We’re absolutely not paying a first. It’s looking more and more likely Minnesota at least got a decent pick out of the KAT deal, but that’s still up in the air, so we can’t trade anything this year or next anyway. Distant future picks are completely off the table — we’ve imploded before, though it seems less likely with Cade around.

Thompson and Holland are each individually too much to give up. Not selling low on Ivey just because he’s out for the year. We have no ability to trade a big with our current depth. Giving up Beasley to get Simons solves no problems.

That leaves what, THJ and Sasser? I think we have a juicy Toronto 2nd that could be used. Still, slim pickins.

Our major asset is DET's cap sheet (plenty of room to take back unwanted contracts). Half the league will be taxpayers at the TDL, and at least a half-dozen teams should be looking to cut their tax bills because they are far out of contention. We can afford to take on $14M under the salary cap, and have a further $30M we could take on under the luxury tax. We can also afford up to $40M in salary next year.

I don't think we should consider trades where we send out more talent on rookie-contracts or FRPs than we receive back

[OutsidetheNBA]

It's true that Detroit seems to want to make the playoffs and needs a guard, but there are options other than Lavine.

D-Lo is a good regular season innings-eater who can do an Ivey impression and can probably be had for free or near free.

Sexton and Ant Simons can probably be had for expirings and a protected 1st or a bushel of 2nds.

No reason to focus on Lavine.

I agree DET wants to make the playoffs -- but not by trading young assets or picks for vets

I disagree that DET "needs a guard" -- even with Ivey's injury, our needs are mostly on the front-line, especially if we are assuming Ivey returns next year.

I'm fine rolling with Beasley as the starting SG this season -- as another poster noted Beasley gives 80% of Lavine's production for 1/7 the cost. I'd like a better backup PG, but I'm not burning a FRP for it.

I think Detroit is going to miss Ivey's secondary creation and Beasley doesn't do that -- guys like Lavine, Simons, Sexton, and D-Lo do.

That said, I agree Detroit shouldn't give up a FRP or their better young assets for any of those guys (maybe Sasser, no one else).

As I noted in a previous post, Simons and Sexton might be available for some good 2nds and D-Lo might be practically free (THJ + meh 2nd?). IMO, Pistons should go after D-Lo, Simons, Sexton in that order and they shouldn't even think about Lavine because of his age and salary.

Finally, I've seen you say that cap space is Detroit's greatest asset, etc. on multiple threads and I disagree. I doubt a team is paying more than 2nds for any of that space and Detroit isn't in the first year of its rebuild -- it has a decent coach and some good young players. Much better to pay a little bit (2nds, Sasser, maaaaybe a protected swap) to get solid young players or vet fill-ins who can help establish a winning culture and get Cade some playoff experience.

[OutsidetheNBA]

Paul Reed+2nd for D-Lo or Sexton works
THJR+2nd for Ant works

I don't think we can trade Reed this season after the earlier cap maneuvers.

Simons for THJ + like 3 seconds would be a great deal for us

Ah yes.
Does Portland just want to get off his contract? I sure liked what I saw last night outta him

Don't want to hijack this Lavine thread, but...

I think most Portland fans would trade Simons for THJ + 2-3 2nds if that's the best offer we get at the deadline. (I like Sasser so I would do THJ + Sasser + 2nd, but most PDX fans don't value Sasser).

That said, Simons makes a lot of sense for Orlando and at least some of their fans on here have offered Expiring + Worse of DEN/ORL 2025 FRP earlier this season. Obviously that's a better deal, but who knows what ORL's front office is thinking. They seem very patient and might favor someone like Sexton at that price.

[chrbal]

It's true that Detroit seems to want to make the playoffs and needs a guard, but there are options other than Lavine.

D-Lo is a good regular season innings-eater who can do an Ivey impression and can probably be had for free or near free.

Sexton and Ant Simons can probably be had for expirings and a protected 1st or a bushel of 2nds.

No reason to focus on Lavine.

I agree DET wants to make the playoffs -- but not by trading young assets or picks for vets

I disagree that DET "needs a guard" -- even with Ivey's injury, our needs are mostly on the front-line, especially if we are assuming Ivey returns next year.

I'm fine rolling with Beasley as the starting SG this season -- as another poster noted Beasley gives 80% of Lavine's production for 1/7 the cost. I'd like a better backup PG, but I'm not burning a FRP for it.

I think Detroit is going to miss Ivey's secondary creation and Beasley doesn't do that -- guys like Lavine, Simons, Sexton, and D-Lo do.

That said, I agree Detroit shouldn't give up a FRP or their better young assets for any of those guys (maybe Sasser, no one else).

As I noted in a previous post, Simons and Sexton might be available for some good 2nds and D-Lo might be practically free (THJ + meh 2nd?). IMO, Pistons should go after D-Lo, Simons, Sexton in that order and they shouldn't even think about Lavine because of his age and salary.

1- Simons as long as it doesn’t cost too much
2- Russell, Nets might just want to move him to manipulate the tank. Don’t think he’d cost too much, and I think he’d make a great 6th man.
3- I feel like Sexton would cost too much/Ainge would charge too much
4- after that I’d like to see them bring in a project wing, but not as bad as JHS off the Lakers or Washington’s Johnny Davis

But we honestly need help up front more.

[zeebneeb]

I don't think we can trade Reed this season after the earlier cap maneuvers.

Simons for THJ + like 3 seconds would be a great deal for us

Ah yes.
Does Portland just want to get off his contract? I sure liked what I saw last night outta him

Don't want to hijack this Lavine thread, but...

I think most Portland fans would trade Simons for THJ + 2-3 2nds if that's the best offer we get at the deadline. (I like Sasser so I would do THJ + Sasser + 2nd, but most PDX fans don't value Sasser).

That said, Simons makes a lot of sense for Orlando and at least some of their fans on here have offered Expiring + Worse of DEN/ORL 2025 FRP earlier this season. Obviously that's a better deal, but who knows what ORL's front office is thinking. They seem very patient and might favor someone like Sexton at that price.

Last time I checked, the Pistons have like 9 2nd round picks or more, so trading 2nds isn't a problem.

Man I really cannot remember.

[oldncreaky]

It's true that Detroit seems to want to make the playoffs and needs a guard, but there are options other than Lavine.

D-Lo is a good regular season innings-eater who can do an Ivey impression and can probably be had for free or near free.

Sexton and Ant Simons can probably be had for expirings and a protected 1st or a bushel of 2nds.

No reason to focus on Lavine.

I agree DET wants to make the playoffs -- but not by trading young assets or picks for vets

I disagree that DET "needs a guard" -- even with Ivey's injury, our needs are mostly on the front-line, especially if we are assuming Ivey returns next year.

I'm fine rolling with Beasley as the starting SG this season -- as another poster noted Beasley gives 80% of Lavine's production for 1/7 the cost. I'd like a better backup PG, but I'm not burning a FRP for it.

I think Detroit is going to miss Ivey's secondary creation and Beasley doesn't do that -- guys like Lavine, Simons, Sexton, and D-Lo do.

That said, I agree Detroit shouldn't give up a FRP or their better young assets for any of those guys (maybe Sasser, no one else).

As I noted in a previous post, Simons and Sexton might be available for some good 2nds and D-Lo might be practically free (THJ + meh 2nd?). IMO, Pistons should go after D-Lo, Simons, Sexton in that order and they shouldn't even think about Lavine because of his age and salary.

Finally, I've seen you say that cap space is Detroit's greatest asset, etc. on multiple threads and I disagree. I doubt a team is paying more than 2nds for any of that space and Detroit isn't in the first year of its rebuild -- it has a decent coach and some good young players. Much better to pay a little bit (2nds, Sasser, maaaaybe a protected swap) to get solid young players or vet fill-ins who can help establish a winning culture and get Cade some playoff experience.

I'll concede that DET's cap space being an asset is an assumption, and that it may turn out to be worthless.

But I keep my eye on the list of taxpayers. There are 10 teams set to pay more than $15M in taxes, and it is likely at least half of them will be out of the running by the TDL. If any of those teams decide they want to offload more than $12M to duck the tax, their options will be
- cobble together multiple trades with CHO, TOR and WAS
- deal with Ainge, who has $27M under the tax line but few expirings, and take back some 2025-26 money like Clarkston or Collins
- deal with Detroit, who has both tons of room this year and next, and palatable expiring contracts

My best guess: If only 1 or 2 teams are looking to duck the tax, DET's space will have little value (as you predict). OTOH if you get 2 or more teams looking to dump significant money, DET will be the one-eyed King in the Kingdom of the blind.

We'll see on Feb 6.

[DetroitSho]

I agree DET wants to make the playoffs -- but not by trading young assets or picks for vets

I disagree that DET "needs a guard" -- even with Ivey's injury, our needs are mostly on the front-line, especially if we are assuming Ivey returns next year.

I'm fine rolling with Beasley as the starting SG this season -- as another poster noted Beasley gives 80% of Lavine's production for 1/7 the cost. I'd like a better backup PG, but I'm not burning a FRP for it.

I think Detroit is going to miss Ivey's secondary creation and Beasley doesn't do that -- guys like Lavine, Simons, Sexton, and D-Lo do.

That said, I agree Detroit shouldn't give up a FRP or their better young assets for any of those guys (maybe Sasser, no one else).

As I noted in a previous post, Simons and Sexton might be available for some good 2nds and D-Lo might be practically free (THJ + meh 2nd?). IMO, Pistons should go after D-Lo, Simons, Sexton in that order and they shouldn't even think about Lavine because of his age and salary.

Finally, I've seen you say that cap space is Detroit's greatest asset, etc. on multiple threads and I disagree. I doubt a team is paying more than 2nds for any of that space and Detroit isn't in the first year of its rebuild -- it has a decent coach and some good young players. Much better to pay a little bit (2nds, Sasser, maaaaybe a protected swap) to get solid young players or vet fill-ins who can help establish a winning culture and get Cade some playoff experience.

I'll concede that DET's cap space being an asset is an assumption, and that it may turn out to be worthless.

But I keep my eye on the list of taxpayers. There are 10 teams set to pay more than $15M in taxes, and it is likely at least half of them will be out of the running by the TDL. If any of those teams decide they want to offload more than $12M to duck the tax, their options will be
- cobble together multiple trades with CHO, TOR and WAS
- deal with Ainge, who has $27M under the tax line but few expirings, and take back some 2025-26 money like Clarkston or Collins
- deal with Detroit, who has both tons of room this year and next, and palatable expiring contracts

My best guess: If only 1 or 2 teams are looking to duck the tax, DET's space will have little value (as you predict). OTOH if you get 2 or more teams looking to dump significant money, DET will be the one-eyed King in the Kingdom of the blind.

We'll see on Feb 6.

One-eyed king in the kingdom of the blind lol

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