Ingram to Bulls, Brown to New Orleans, Ball to Raptors

[Bentley1225]

Ill offer this idea for
-Bulls to make a move to improve by adding Ingram with expirings and a distant 1st
-Raptors cash out of expirings contracts and get 2nds
-New Orleans gets out of tax while getting a 1st for Ingram if they can't agree on extension

To Chicago (Trade Ball, Carter, Duarte, Protected 1st, 2nd)
-Brandon Ingram (1 year, $36 million)

To New Orleans (Trade Ingram)
-Bruce Brown (1 year, $23 million)
-Jevon Carter (1 year, $6.5 million plus $6.8 million P.O.)
-2029 Chicago 1st round pick (lottery protected; 2030 lottery protected or 2030 and 2031 2nds)

To Toronto (Trade Brown)
-Lonzo Ball (1 year, $21.4 million) - buyout/waive
-Chris Duarte (1 year, $5.9 million)
-2029 Sacramento 2nd round pick via Chicago

Why?
-The Bulls use expirings and distant picks to add a starting SF and look to extend him in off-season once they find a deal for LaVine in the summer as they can build around White/Giddey/Ingram/Williams/Vucevic for 2025-26.

-The Pelicans get out of tax and get a 1st for Ingram as a pending UFA.

-The Raptors essentially swap Brown for Duarte, buyout Ball and get a pick for Brown

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[psman2]

Why is Toronto here? NO would not forgo any assets to turn Ball into Brown. And I think Ball is actually likely worth more than him in the trade market already.

[Godaddycurse]

I think Ball is actually likely worth more than him in the trade market already.

Wait, why?

[pipfan]

I hate to lose Ball (he's playing great and we hope to resign him cheap) but I think BI to Chi makes sense, since our FO doesn't want to tank

Ball/Carter/Duarte/Port 1st/ 2 seconds enough?

Ayo/White
Lavine/White
BI/Matas
PWill/Phillips
Vuc/Smith
THT/Terry on the deep bench

That's a decent team-could sneak into the 2nd round

I doubt NO would do it, but Bulls can't afford to send out another 1st

[psman2]

I think Ball is actually likely worth more than him in the trade market already.

Wait, why?

I think if healthy Ball is a higher impact player, of course the caveat is when healthy but with only a half season of risk I think a lot of teams would take the gamble on him the rest of the year and get his bird rights over Brown. Of course dependent on team needs.

[ChettheJet]

The Bulls, who have butchered the draft for the past 5 years are not going to give up another pick 2027 earliest, to get an expiring Ingram for an expiring Ball. They end up with the same cap space, where is ingram going to lead them to, the play in and the 11th slot so SAS get their pick? Have you seen what Lonzo Ball does for the Bulls, no it doesn't who up in the stats, try watching the games.

[Bentley1225]

Why is Toronto here? NO would not forgo any assets to turn Ball into Brown. And I think Ball is actually likely worth more than him in the trade market already.

Because Brown can play the 3 to replace losing Ingram positionally speaking. The Pelicans get under the tax and they’re not going to extend Ingram with a high 2025 1st and they’re not going to pay to dump McCollum.

[psman2]

Why is Toronto here? NO would not forgo any assets to turn Ball into Brown. And I think Ball is actually likely worth more than him in the trade market already.

Because Brown can play the 3 to replace losing Ingram positionally speaking. The Pelicans get under the tax and they’re not going to extend Ingram with a high 2025 1st and they’re not going to pay to dump McCollum.

The already have the SF covered with Murphy and Jones that is why the are willing to move on from Ingram. In a lost season I don't see any reason why they would trade for Brown who is making more money than Ball and give up a 2nd on top it. Just no reason for Toronto to be in this trade, find another team that would value Brown the 2nd half of the season.

Edit: Now if this was the only way for the money to work for both Chicago and NOP then the trade is fine. I did not look at the money as close versus just the Ball to Brown aspect. But the most likely solution is Duarte/2nd for a smaller contract from a 3rd team is the cleanest solution here or just less money from Chicago.

[Godaddycurse]

I think Ball is actually likely worth more than him in the trade market already.

Wait, why?

I think if healthy Ball is a higher impact player, of course the caveat is when healthy but with only a half season of risk I think a lot of teams would take the gamble on him the rest of the year and get his bird rights over Brown. Of course dependent on team needs.

I think its Brown is likely to be more impactful. Ball's ceiling is arguably higher but i seriously doubt he can get back to that level this year/if ever. Ball's knee injury is chronic/a time bomb imo

[Bentley1225]

Why is Toronto here? NO would not forgo any assets to turn Ball into Brown. And I think Ball is actually likely worth more than him in the trade market already.

Because Brown can play the 3 to replace losing Ingram positionally speaking. The Pelicans get under the tax and they’re not going to extend Ingram with a high 2025 1st and they’re not going to pay to dump McCollum.

The already have the SF covered with Murphy and Jones that is why the are willing to move on from Ingram. In a lost season I don't see any reason why they would trade for Brown who is making more money than Ball and give up a 2nd on top it. Just no reason for Toronto to be in this trade, find another team that would value Brown the 2nd half of the season.

What is worth more to the Pelicans: Getting out of the tax or getting a 2029 2nd?.

[psman2]

Because Brown can play the 3 to replace losing Ingram positionally speaking. The Pelicans get under the tax and they’re not going to extend Ingram with a high 2025 1st and they’re not going to pay to dump McCollum.

The already have the SF covered with Murphy and Jones that is why the are willing to move on from Ingram. In a lost season I don't see any reason why they would trade for Brown who is making more money than Ball and give up a 2nd on top it. Just no reason for Toronto to be in this trade, find another team that would value Brown the 2nd half of the season.

What is worth more to the Pelicans: Getting out of the tax or getting a 2029 2nd?.

Sure if the only choice was to do the trade as you have it then that is any easy choice. But just have Chicago send less salary is a solution here for NOH tax issues as well. What is most likely to happen is just NOP takes the Chicago offer and used that 2nd to dump one of their smaller contracts somewhere.

[Bentley1225]

The already have the SF covered with Murphy and Jones that is why the are willing to move on from Ingram. In a lost season I don't see any reason why they would trade for Brown who is making more money than Ball and give up a 2nd on top it. Just no reason for Toronto to be in this trade, find another team that would value Brown the 2nd half of the season.

What is worth more to the Pelicans: Getting out of the tax or getting a 2029 2nd?.

Sure if the only choice was to do the trade as you have it then that is any easy choice. But just have Chicago send less salary is a solution here for NOH tax issues as well. What is most likely to happen is just NOP takes the Chicago offer and used that 2nd to dump one of their smaller contracts somewhere.

Good point and my apologies my previous point isn’t applicable because with Ball/Carter/Duarte the Pelicans still get under the tax and can cut Raps out and take the 2nd.

To Bulls
-Ingram

To Pelicans (would have to waive someone)
-Ball
-Duarte
-Carter
-2029 protected Bulls 1st
-2029 Kings 2nd

[Texas Chuck]

I think Ball is actually likely worth more than him in the trade market already.

Wait, why?

I think if healthy Ball is a higher impact player, of course the caveat is when healthy but with only a half season of risk I think a lot of teams would take the gamble on him the rest of the year and get his bird rights over Brown. Of course dependent on team needs.

Yeah he's the better player and well this year you can't argue health as favoring Brown. But set that aside, just no reason to punt even a small asset to swap the two. Toronto not at all needed.

[Godaddycurse]

Wait, why?

I think if healthy Ball is a higher impact player, of course the caveat is when healthy but with only a half season of risk I think a lot of teams would take the gamble on him the rest of the year and get his bird rights over Brown. Of course dependent on team needs.

Yeah he's the better player and well this year you can't argue health as favoring Brown. But set that aside, just no reason to punt even a small asset to swap the two. Toronto not at all needed.

He was the better player... 4 years ago. I am much more confident in Brown return to his pre injury form. Lonzos knee injury isnt going away/i doubt he can return to form

[Texas Chuck]

I think if healthy Ball is a higher impact player, of course the caveat is when healthy but with only a half season of risk I think a lot of teams would take the gamble on him the rest of the year and get his bird rights over Brown. Of course dependent on team needs.

Yeah he's the better player and well this year you can't argue health as favoring Brown. But set that aside, just no reason to punt even a small asset to swap the two. Toronto not at all needed.

He was the better player... 4 years ago. I am much more confident in Brown return to his pre injury form. Lonzos knee injury isnt going away/i doubt he can return to form

I mean I think Brown got really overrated because he fit great next to a trio of stars in Brooklyn and then next to Joker and Co. I think he's got almost no value to a mediocre team and even if you think he's marginally better than Lonzo for the 20 games or whatever either might play, its not worth any asset from New Orleans this year.

[Godaddycurse]

Yeah he's the better player and well this year you can't argue health as favoring Brown. But set that aside, just no reason to punt even a small asset to swap the two. Toronto not at all needed.

He was the better player... 4 years ago. I am much more confident in Brown return to his pre injury form. Lonzos knee injury isnt going away/i doubt he can return to form

I mean I think Brown got really overrated because he fit great next to a trio of stars in Brooklyn and then next to Joker and Co. I think he's got almost no value to a mediocre team and even if you think he's marginally better than Lonzo for the 20 games or whatever either might play, its not worth any asset from New Orleans this year.

For sure not worth it to NOP. But to a contender brown is a much safer bet to make than Lonzo is my point