Is there a single Beal trade that makes sense?

[JMAC3]

I really cant find a trade that moves deals that expire by 2026 to MIA (Much less an asset), Beal to team X and Butler to PHX. I just cant find it. And this doesnt even take into account Beal and his NTC.

This is going to hit an impasse and if Butler wont get off his PHX only stance - he is going to end the season w/ Miami IMO.

Why do the contracts have to expire by 2026? This isn't 2012 anymore where cap space is required to sign for guys. Majority of the big moves are done as trades or sign and trades.

Because that's what Miami wants. They're not asking for a lot. The least that could be done is that could be respected.

But that isn't what you are you asking for lol...

You want good players who can help you win, with perfect contracts that align with 2026 bs and a 1st rounder.
While also expecting a 3rd team to take Beal, but the Suns first still to end up with Heat.

So yeah I would say the majority of the times you are asking for a lot and why none of the realistic offers can do that. Unless there is some patsy in the trade that eats a **** sandwich so the Heat get what they want

[BBallFreak]

PDX OUT - Jerami Grant + Anfernee Simons
PDX IN - Bradley Beal + 2031 PHX UNP FRP + 2027 SAC LP FRP

MIA OUT - Jimmy Butler
MIA IN - Anfernee Simons + Kevin Huerter + Trey Lyles + 1 PHX SRP

SAC OUT - Kevin Huerter + Trey Lyles + 2027 SAC LP FRP
SAC IN - Jerami Grant + 2 PHX SRP

PHX OUT - Bradley Beal + 2031 UNP FRP + 3 PHX SRP
PHX IN - Jimmy Butler

Granted Beal never waives that NTC for PDX.

That's a deal I probably do, tbh. I'm not sure Simon's fits with Herro (I'd probably try and flip Simon's) and we have no use for Huerter, but it's at least fair value.

[BBallFreak]

Why do the contracts have to expire by 2026? This isn't 2012 anymore where cap space is required to sign for guys. Majority of the big moves are done as trades or sign and trades.

Because that's what Miami wants. They're not asking for a lot. The least that could be done is that could be respected.

But that isn't what you are you asking for lol...

You want good players who can help you win, with perfect contracts that align with 2026 bs and a 1st rounder.
While also expecting a 3rd team to take Beal, but the Suns first still to end up with Heat.

So yeah I would say the majority of the times you are asking for a lot and why none of the realistic offers can do that. Unless there is some patsy in the trade that eats a **** sandwich so the Heat get what they want

What in the actual F are you talking about?

You sent us a contract we don't want. I asked you to flip it for a shorter contract and value. Obviously I would take a shorter contract of a player who helps us win.

Get out of your feelings and listen to what's actually being said.

[JMAC3]

Because that's what Miami wants. They're not asking for a lot. The least that could be done is that could be respected.

But that isn't what you are you asking for lol...

You want good players who can help you win, with perfect contracts that align with 2026 bs and a 1st rounder.
While also expecting a 3rd team to take Beal, but the Suns first still to end up with Heat.

So yeah I would say the majority of the times you are asking for a lot and why none of the realistic offers can do that. Unless there is some patsy in the trade that eats a **** sandwich so the Heat get what they want

What in the actual F are you talking about?

You sent us a contract we don't want. I asked you to flip it for a shorter contract and value. Obviously I would take a shorter contract of a player who helps us win.

Get out of your feelings and listen to what's actually being said.

LOL your right you saying no to 97/100 proposals seems like you are being reasonable and have fine expectations. The 3 you said yes to absolutely another team if not more would say no to, but hey makes sense for you so they can hold the **** as I said.

Example being you would say yes to Ryan Dunn, 1st round pick and expiring's. Tell me a deal where that is possible?

[BBallFreak]

But that isn't what you are you asking for lol...

You want good players who can help you win, with perfect contracts that align with 2026 bs and a 1st rounder.
While also expecting a 3rd team to take Beal, but the Suns first still to end up with Heat.

So yeah I would say the majority of the times you are asking for a lot and why none of the realistic offers can do that. Unless there is some patsy in the trade that eats a **** sandwich so the Heat get what they want

What in the actual F are you talking about?

You sent us a contract we don't want. I asked you to flip it for a shorter contract and value. Obviously I would take a shorter contract of a player who helps us win.

Get out of your feelings and listen to what's actually being said.

LOL your right you saying no to 97/100 proposals seems like you are being reasonable and have fine expectations. The 3 you said yes to absolutely another team if not more would say no to, but hey makes sense for you so they can hold the **** as I said.

Example being you would say yes to Ryan Dunn, 1st round pick and expiring's. Tell me a deal where that is possible?

So Miami should just take the shaft because the other teams want it? Is that really how this works to you? Bradley Beal has to be in this trade and the sun's have no assets. That means someone isn't going to be happy. Why in the hell would I want that team to be Miami?

And even in your trade, all I asked was that you flip Barrett for a shorter useful contract! Is that really that much to ask? Someone will be happy to give up a two year deal for Barrett if he's as great as you claim he is! Why is asking for that adjustment a bridge too far for you? I'm not asking for more value! I'm asking you to flip Barrett and Barrett, alone! Hell, want us to give some value for a better player that fits our requirements? Sure!

Just flip Barrett! That's all!

[MasterIchiro]

The answer to this question is no.

There are similar contracts that can't be moved like LaVine.

The Blazers have 3 smaller contracts that won't be moved (Ayton, J. Grant, Simons). They've already listened to offers for RWIII and said they're prepared to keep him.

Suns, like the Bulls and Blazers are surely prepared to be stuck with the big contracts they want to move.

There are multiple huge contracts ahead of Beal's that are hard to move for useful players on short deals. That's what Pat Riley is asking for for Butler. The buyers and payers of these contracts just have to come up with money, because they're out of picks. Hell, they're out of useful players on short term deals that match salary for the likes of Beal.

How long have the Bulls been shopping LaVine? Even with Vuc, they're broadcasting they just want 2nd round picks.

Beal is going nowhere because the Suns don't have the assets to move that contract.

[MasterIchiro]

Suns are in quicksand with their roster.

They may listen on Devin Booker this summer, and here they have us all thinking Beal is the focus, someone they're stuck with. They say they want to upgrade because of course they do. But they've fully mortgaged their drafts and role players for maximum upgrades and they're tapped out with a top-heavy old roster and no way to get better.

Pump the stock before you dump the stock.

I want to see Devin Booker thread not Bradley Beal thread.

It's more in touch with the Suns reality.

[JMAC3]

What in the actual F are you talking about?

You sent us a contract we don't want. I asked you to flip it for a shorter contract and value. Obviously I would take a shorter contract of a player who helps us win.

Get out of your feelings and listen to what's actually being said.

LOL your right you saying no to 97/100 proposals seems like you are being reasonable and have fine expectations. The 3 you said yes to absolutely another team if not more would say no to, but hey makes sense for you so they can hold the **** as I said.

Example being you would say yes to Ryan Dunn, 1st round pick and expiring's. Tell me a deal where that is possible?

So Miami should just take the shaft because the other teams want it? Is that really how this works to you? Bradley Beal has to be in this trade and the sun's have no assets. That means someone isn't going to be happy. Why in the hell would I want that team to be Miami?

And even in your trade, all I asked was that you flip Barrett for a shorter useful contract! Is that really that much to ask? Someone will be happy to give up a two year deal for Barrett if he's as great as you claim he is! Why is asking for that adjustment a bridge too far for you? I'm not asking for more value! I'm asking you to flip Barrett and Barrett, alone! Hell, want us to give some value for a better player that fits our requirements? Sure!

Just flip Barrett! That's all!

Take Olynck and Boucher instead of Barrett then, I was assuming Miami would want to at least have something to show their fans but if you want to prioritize financial freedom over talent then there it is.

[BBallFreak]

Suns are in quicksand with their roster.

They may listen on Devin Booker this summer, and here they have us all thinking Beal is the focus, someone they're stuck with. They say they want to upgrade because of course they do. But they've fully mortgaged their drafts and role players for maximum upgrades and they're tapped out with a top-heavy old roster and no way to get better.

Pump the stock before you dump the stock.

I want to see Devin Booker thread not Bradley Beal thread.

It's more in touch with the Suns reality.

While I agree with you that Beal is the wrong guy, Booker is, too. That should be trying to deal Durant IMO. He'd replenish their draft capital while not compromising their future. They could get useful contracts and picks, trade the picks to dump Beal, and get Jimmy. Booker, Butler, Dunn, and whatever they can get from Durant, in terms of players, makes sense...

[BBallFreak]

LOL your right you saying no to 97/100 proposals seems like you are being reasonable and have fine expectations. The 3 you said yes to absolutely another team if not more would say no to, but hey makes sense for you so they can hold the **** as I said.

Example being you would say yes to Ryan Dunn, 1st round pick and expiring's. Tell me a deal where that is possible?

So Miami should just take the shaft because the other teams want it? Is that really how this works to you? Bradley Beal has to be in this trade and the sun's have no assets. That means someone isn't going to be happy. Why in the hell would I want that team to be Miami?

And even in your trade, all I asked was that you flip Barrett for a shorter useful contract! Is that really that much to ask? Someone will be happy to give up a two year deal for Barrett if he's as great as you claim he is! Why is asking for that adjustment a bridge too far for you? I'm not asking for more value! I'm asking you to flip Barrett and Barrett, alone! Hell, want us to give some value for a better player that fits our requirements? Sure!

Just flip Barrett! That's all!

Take Olynck and Boucher instead of Barrett then, I was assuming Miami would want to at least have something to show their fans but if you want to prioritize financial freedom over talent then there it is.

No, their is a difference between Barrett and Boucher/Olynyk in terms of value. No one would make that trade. That's where a first would need to come into play.

You're arbitrarily choosing less value to try and make my argument look less consistent. It's not. Flip Barrett for actual value. You, yourself, seem to think he could fetch expiring deals and a first. Where's the first?

[MasterIchiro]

Suns are in quicksand with their roster.

They may listen on Devin Booker this summer, and here they have us all thinking Beal is the focus, someone they're stuck with. They say they want to upgrade because of course they do. But they've fully mortgaged their drafts and role players for maximum upgrades and they're tapped out with a top-heavy old roster and no way to get better.

Pump the stock before you dump the stock.

I want to see Devin Booker thread not Bradley Beal thread.

It's more in touch with the Suns reality.

While I agree with you that Beal is the wrong guy, Booker is, too. That should be trying to deal Durant IMO. He'd replenish their draft capital while not compromising their future. They could get useful contracts and picks, trade the picks to dump Beal, and get Jimmy. Booker, Butler, Dunn, and whatever they can get from Durant, in terms of players, makes sense...

Durant could easily go first because the instant you move Booker, Durant cries and wants out which torpedoes his trade value.

But I still don't think Booker is young enough to be a surviving centerpiece for a rebuild. They all need to go.

The Suns may learn something useful about KD's potential yield by the precedent set by the Butler deal whenever it settles. That alone is reason to participate in the Butler talks. Observation. Data. Buyer wants/needs, competing bids, budgetary directions. Just gather intel. They're going to take a huge loss on the premium they paid for Durant. And with all those unprotected 1sts owed, I wouldn't be surprised if they broadcast they want useful players ready to win now in exchange, like Riley is doing with Butler.

[gswhoops]

Suns are in quicksand with their roster.

They may listen on Devin Booker this summer, and here they have us all thinking Beal is the focus, someone they're stuck with. They say they want to upgrade because of course they do. But they've fully mortgaged their drafts and role players for maximum upgrades and they're tapped out with a top-heavy old roster and no way to get better.

Pump the stock before you dump the stock.

I want to see Devin Booker thread not Bradley Beal thread.

It's more in touch with the Suns reality.

While I agree with you that Beal is the wrong guy, Booker is, too. That should be trying to deal Durant IMO. He'd replenish their draft capital while not compromising their future. They could get useful contracts and picks, trade the picks to dump Beal, and get Jimmy. Booker, Butler, Dunn, and whatever they can get from Durant, in terms of players, makes sense...

Durant could easily go first because the instant you move Booker, Durant cries and wants out which torpedoes his trade value.

But I still don't think Booker is young enough to be a surviving centerpiece for a rebuild. They all need to go.

The Suns may learn something useful about KD's potential yield by the precedent set by the Butler deal whenever it settles. That alone is reason to participate in the Butler talks. Observation. Data. Buyer wants/needs, competing bids, budgetary directions. Just gather intel. They're going to take a huge loss on the premium they paid for Durant. And with all those unprotected 1sts owed, I wouldn't be surprised if they broadcast they want useful players ready to win now in exchange, like Riley is doing with Butler.

If you want to do the nuclear option you trade KD, then you trade Booker (both for as many 1st round picks as humanly possible) and then you keep Beal and let him score 25 PPG on terrible efficiency to keep casual fans interested while you rebuild rather than paying someone to take him. Maybe he eventually gets frustrated enough to waive his NTC or agree to a substantial buyout.

[Michaellam1987]

That is a very difficult question. A few thing to highlight:

1. Taking Beal and his huge contract for 3 years, should be the team at least with playoff goal.

CHI/BKN/TOR/CHA/WAS/POR/UTAH/NOP eliminated

2. Beal is a negative player defensively, should need better team defense to cover his weakness. Below average defensive team should avoid

LAL/IND/ATL/DEN/DET/SAC eliminated

3. Beal is a SG, and can only play this position. Hence any team with a better starting SG should be excluded from the discussion.

BOS – White
NYK – Bridge
CLE – Mitchell
MIA – Herro
DAL – Irving
MEM – Bane
HOU – Green
MIN – Edward
OKC – SGA
LAC – Powell
SAS – Vassell

11 teams eliminated, and that leave 4 teams – PHI/MIL/ORL/GSW

PHI unlikely as they only have George to match salary, but PHX wont take this even worse contract.

MIL – could offer package of Middleton + Connaughton

ORL – could offer KCP + M.Wagner + Harris + Anthony (seems the most reasonable)

GSW – could offer Wiggins + Schroder + Payton II + Anderson