Ayton, Grant, and Simons for anything?

[Wizenheimer]

From the trade board:

Pincus reporting that Lakers are not wanting to discuss trading Rui or Knecht according to other team execs.

I wonder if this kills a Grant to LAL deal?

Still could work a deal revolving around Vincent\Vanderbilt

Vincent\Vanderbilt\Christie\Wood
for
Grant & Reath (or Walker or Banton)

but I don't see any way that POR would do that trade w\o a 1st coming back to offset absorbing Vanderbilt (4yrs). Something like a 2029 lottery protected 1st that turns into multiple 2nd's if it does not convey?

Christie satisfies young player

Wood would be waived and POR would still have to trade\waive another player to fit players under the roster limit.

Would Cronin do this w\o the 1st but instead for the (2) 25' 2nd's (LAL & LAC)? Maybe he could get a 1st round pick swap? Doubtful

I think the Grant to Lakers ship has sailed completely. Seems like the Lakers have moved on from that interest.

I don't think the Grant to LA ship ever left the harbor. IMO, As soon a Cronin demanded a 1st round pick the Lakers were out. It's loony-bins if he actually demanded 2 first's

[MasterIchiro]

I like Simons as a 3rd option for Charlotte.

[DusterBuster]

I like Simons as a 3rd option for Charlotte.

I can see that. He and LaMelo would seemingly work well together.

Grant Williams and Josh Green for Simons works, but I could see Portland wanting maybe 2 FRPs in this situation because of taking on more years of salary potentially. I would just take one if it could be the Miami pick tho... owning the Heat's FRP would be fun...

[Walton1one]

Middleton coming off the bench for MIL, Taurean Prince starting. Still on minutes restriction, missed last game with tendinitis in ankle.

Not sure how long MIL can go on trying to make current roster work, especially if they plan on contending, and they have extremely limited options to improve roster outside of trading Middleton. Rumors are they reached out about Butler, but were turned down.

I think they definitely are a team to watch as trade deadline approaches, feels like they have to do something.

[BlazersBroncos]

This is what I would love to see happen - assuming Beal would waive his NTC with agreement he accepts a buy-out -

PDX OUT - Jerami Grant + Anfernee Simons
PDX IN - Bradley Beal + 2031 PHX UNP FRP + 2027 SAC LP FRP

MIA OUT - Jimmy Butler
MIA IN - Anfernee Simons + Kevin Huerter + Trey Lyles + 1 PHX SRP

SAC OUT - Kevin Huerter + Trey Lyles + 2027 SAC LP FRP
SAC IN - Jerami Grant + 2 PHX SRP

PHX OUT - Bradley Beal + 2031 UNP FRP + 3 PHX SRP
PHX IN - Jimmy Butler

Then - RWIII + Jabari Walker JR for Osumane Dieng + Dillon Jones + lowest OKC 2025 FRP.

G - Scoot Henderson / Dalano Banton
G - Shadeon Sharpe / Matisse Thybulle / Rayan Rupert
F - Toumari Camara / Osumane Dieng / Rayan Rupert
F - Deni Avdija / Kris Murray / Dillon Jones
C - DeAndre Ayton / Donovan Clingan / Duop Reath

+
Lowest OKC 2025 FRP
SAC 2027 FRP LP
MIL 2028 FRP Swap (UNP)
2029 Most + Least Favorable FRP (PDX / MIL / BOS)
MIL 2030 FPR Swap (UNP)
PHX 2031 FRP UNP
MIL 2031 FRP UNP

A true rebuild outside Ayton who you just sit on until he expires (Assuming a stupid team doesnt trade for him).

[JRoy]

Love it

[Walton1one]

Latest rumors...

Jake Fischer confirms that the Grizzlies and Bucks are among the teams that Butler’s camp has discouraged from trading for the Heat forward.

This is going to end up either with Beal and all PHX assets left in MIA or Butler in MIA. Problem is MIA needs to compete to avoid their 25/27 obligated 1st rounders becoming unprotected in 26/28. I wonder if MIA makes the Beal move and then looks to us some of that acquired capital from PHX along with some salaries (Robinson\Highsmith\Love\Burks, maybe Rozier) to bring in some vets to keep them competitive enough and not take up any more of their future cap space availability. All 5 of those players are FA after next season

The Grizzlies have made Luke Kennard, John Konchar, and draft capital available as they seek an upgrade on the trade market. But even if Butler were open to moving to Memphis, it’s unclear if the team would have an appetite for a bigger deal that would involve Marcus Smart and Brandon Clarke, according to Fischer, who hears from sources that the Grizzlies highly value both of those players

If they don't include Smart\Clarke, little chance of Grant to MEM. Still could be a possible suitor for RW3 or Thybulle.

The Cavaliers‘ front office is hesitant to risk messing with the chemistry in the team’s locker room in order to make a marginal deal ahead of the February 6 trade deadline, sources tell ESPN’s Dave McMenamin. That doesn’t necessarily mean Cleveland will stand pat, but it probably means that in order to make any deal of significance, the club would have to be pretty confident it would be a meaningful on-court upgrade.

I think any deal with CLE has to involve players at the back end of their rotation, guys like Strus\Niang

Dr. Clint Soppe, a sports medicine doctor based in Los Angeles, tells Omari Sankofa II of The Detroit Free Press that a fibula fracture like the one Pistons guard Jaden Ivey suffered generally takes four-to-six months to fully recover. The Pistons haven’t ruled out Ivey for the season after he broke his leg last week, but that timeline suggests the odds are against him returning this spring.

Ivey isn't coming back this year and DET wants to push for the playoffs. Have to wonder if Simons could be an option here

[Walton1one]

GM Nico Harrison has shown himself to be aggressive at the deadline, and last year's acquisitions -- P.J. Washington and Daniel Gafford -- helped the Mavs' run to the Finals. Dallas has been one of the most active teams on the phones so far this trade season.

Kidd said that Gafford would probably "be out for some time," and this update doesn't reflect the same optimism that Mavericks fans had when they saw him walk off the floor without needing assistance. Dallas is now without their second-string center, and Gafford's injury (if it ends up being serious) could force the Mavericks into a desperate move to bolster their center depth.

RW3 and Thybulle definitely could be possibilities here, they do have their 25 1st available for trade + a 25 2nd (most favorable b\t DEN\PHI), and a couple of young players like Jaden Hardy, Olivier-Maxence Prosper

Also have salaries they could move, like Kleber, Marshall & Powell

Here is a trade that could work and could shore up (2) areas of concern for DAL: Defensive wing and b\u big

RW3\Thybulle
for
Kleber\Marshall\Morris & 25' 1st + 25' 2nd (via DEN\PHI)

- Morris would be cut (expiring anyway)

- DAL 25' 1st, currently would be pick #22, likely in mid 20's (25+) at end of the year after this deal

- DAL offered Thybulle originally, which POR matched, so there is\was interest there

- RW3\Thybulle\Kleber all are FA after next year, so little long term salary. Marshall expires the season after (27/28) but has a tradeable salary of $9/$9.4 over the next (2) years

EDIT - Actually DAL is hard capped at the 1st Apron, so trade would have to be altered slightly to keep them under the 1st apron and meet those restrictions (cannot use more than 100% in salary matching in a trade) from being hard capped

RW3\Thybulle\Walker
for
Kleber\Marshall\Exum (waived)\Prosper + 25 1st

- This meets "hard cap restriction" DAL takes in slightly less than they send out
- Keeps DAl under 1st apron
- Keep POR under luxury tax

[zzaj]

This is what I would love to see happen - assuming Beal would waive his NTC with agreement he accepts a buy-out -

PDX OUT - Jerami Grant + Anfernee Simons
PDX IN - Bradley Beal + 2031 PHX UNP FRP + 2027 SAC LP FRP

MIA OUT - Jimmy Butler
MIA IN - Anfernee Simons + Kevin Huerter + Trey Lyles + 1 PHX SRP

SAC OUT - Kevin Huerter + Trey Lyles + 2027 SAC LP FRP
SAC IN - Jerami Grant + 2 PHX SRP

PHX OUT - Bradley Beal + 2031 UNP FRP + 3 PHX SRP
PHX IN - Jimmy Butler

Then - RWIII + Jabari Walker JR for Osumane Dieng + Dillon Jones + lowest OKC 2025 FRP.

G - Scoot Henderson / Dalano Banton
G - Shadeon Sharpe / Matisse Thybulle / Rayan Rupert
F - Toumari Camara / Osumane Dieng / Rayan Rupert
F - Deni Avdija / Kris Murray / Dillon Jones
C - DeAndre Ayton / Donovan Clingan / Duop Reath

+
Lowest OKC 2025 FRP
SAC 2027 FRP LP
MIL 2028 FRP Swap (UNP)
2029 Most + Least Favorable FRP (PDX / MIL / BOS)
MIL 2030 FPR Swap (UNP)
PHX 2031 FRP UNP
MIL 2031 FRP UNP

A true rebuild outside Ayton who you just sit on until he expires (Assuming a stupid team doesnt trade for him).

Love it for Portland...

[Butter]

This is what I would love to see happen - assuming Beal would waive his NTC with agreement he accepts a buy-out -

PDX OUT - Jerami Grant + Anfernee Simons
PDX IN - Bradley Beal + 2031 PHX UNP FRP + 2027 SAC LP FRP

MIA OUT - Jimmy Butler
MIA IN - Anfernee Simons + Kevin Huerter + Trey Lyles + 1 PHX SRP

SAC OUT - Kevin Huerter + Trey Lyles + 2027 SAC LP FRP
SAC IN - Jerami Grant + 2 PHX SRP

PHX OUT - Bradley Beal + 2031 UNP FRP + 3 PHX SRP
PHX IN - Jimmy Butler

Then - RWIII + Jabari Walker JR for Osumane Dieng + Dillon Jones + lowest OKC 2025 FRP.

G - Scoot Henderson / Dalano Banton
G - Shadeon Sharpe / Matisse Thybulle / Rayan Rupert
F - Toumari Camara / Osumane Dieng / Rayan Rupert
F - Deni Avdija / Kris Murray / Dillon Jones
C - DeAndre Ayton / Donovan Clingan / Duop Reath

+
Lowest OKC 2025 FRP
SAC 2027 FRP LP
MIL 2028 FRP Swap (UNP)
2029 Most + Least Favorable FRP (PDX / MIL / BOS)
MIL 2030 FPR Swap (UNP)
PHX 2031 FRP UNP
MIL 2031 FRP UNP

A true rebuild outside Ayton who you just sit on until he expires (Assuming a stupid team doesnt trade for him).

Man, Bradley Beal's contract is actually bigger than Lavine's

Beal. $50,203,930, $53,666,270, $57,128,610
Lavine $43,031,940, $45,999,660, $48,967,380
Grant. $29,793,104, $32,000,001, $34,206,898 $36,413,790

Also, were does Shaedon play? At the 3, with Deni at the 4?

[DusterBuster]

This is what I would love to see happen - assuming Beal would waive his NTC with agreement he accepts a buy-out -

PDX OUT - Jerami Grant + Anfernee Simons
PDX IN - Bradley Beal + 2031 PHX UNP FRP + 2027 SAC LP FRP

MIA OUT - Jimmy Butler
MIA IN - Anfernee Simons + Kevin Huerter + Trey Lyles + 1 PHX SRP

SAC OUT - Kevin Huerter + Trey Lyles + 2027 SAC LP FRP
SAC IN - Jerami Grant + 2 PHX SRP

PHX OUT - Bradley Beal + 2031 UNP FRP + 3 PHX SRP
PHX IN - Jimmy Butler

Then - RWIII + Jabari Walker JR for Osumane Dieng + Dillon Jones + lowest OKC 2025 FRP.

G - Scoot Henderson / Dalano Banton
G - Shadeon Sharpe / Matisse Thybulle / Rayan Rupert
F - Toumari Camara / Osumane Dieng / Rayan Rupert
F - Deni Avdija / Kris Murray / Dillon Jones
C - DeAndre Ayton / Donovan Clingan / Duop Reath

+
Lowest OKC 2025 FRP
SAC 2027 FRP LP
MIL 2028 FRP Swap (UNP)
2029 Most + Least Favorable FRP (PDX / MIL / BOS)
MIL 2030 FPR Swap (UNP)
PHX 2031 FRP UNP
MIL 2031 FRP UNP

A true rebuild outside Ayton who you just sit on until he expires (Assuming a stupid team doesnt trade for him).

Man, Bradley Beal's contract is actually bigger than Lavine's

Beal. $50,203,930, $53,666,270, $57,128,610
Lavine $43,031,940, $45,999,660, $48,967,380
Grant. $29,793,104, $32,000,001, $34,206,898 $36,413,790

Also, were does Shaedon play? At the 3, with Deni at the 4?

Beal's contract is shocking every time I look it up.

[BlazersBroncos]

This is what I would love to see happen - assuming Beal would waive his NTC with agreement he accepts a buy-out -

PDX OUT - Jerami Grant + Anfernee Simons
PDX IN - Bradley Beal + 2031 PHX UNP FRP + 2027 SAC LP FRP

MIA OUT - Jimmy Butler
MIA IN - Anfernee Simons + Kevin Huerter + Trey Lyles + 1 PHX SRP

SAC OUT - Kevin Huerter + Trey Lyles + 2027 SAC LP FRP
SAC IN - Jerami Grant + 2 PHX SRP

PHX OUT - Bradley Beal + 2031 UNP FRP + 3 PHX SRP
PHX IN - Jimmy Butler

Then - RWIII + Jabari Walker JR for Osumane Dieng + Dillon Jones + lowest OKC 2025 FRP.

G - Scoot Henderson / Dalano Banton
G - Shadeon Sharpe / Matisse Thybulle / Rayan Rupert
F - Toumari Camara / Osumane Dieng / Rayan Rupert
F - Deni Avdija / Kris Murray / Dillon Jones
C - DeAndre Ayton / Donovan Clingan / Duop Reath

+
Lowest OKC 2025 FRP
SAC 2027 FRP LP
MIL 2028 FRP Swap (UNP)
2029 Most + Least Favorable FRP (PDX / MIL / BOS)
MIL 2030 FPR Swap (UNP)
PHX 2031 FRP UNP
MIL 2031 FRP UNP

A true rebuild outside Ayton who you just sit on until he expires (Assuming a stupid team doesnt trade for him).

Man, Bradley Beal's contract is actually bigger than Lavine's

Beal. $50,203,930, $53,666,270, $57,128,610
Lavine $43,031,940, $45,999,660, $48,967,380
Grant. $29,793,104, $32,000,001, $34,206,898 $36,413,790

Also, were does Shaedon play? At the 3, with Deni at the 4?

He would play SG bc Beal only waived the NTC to be bought out. Guy wouldn’t accept being cast off to Portland.

Beal totals at 160M
Grant + Ant total at 183M

It actually saves PDX money, and gets us 2 picks, one with serious upside.

[BlazersBroncos]

Another idea, one I actually prefer as I wish to keep RWIII, would be -

PDX OUT - Jerami Grant + Anfernee Simons
PDX IN - Bradley Beal + 2031 PHX UNP FRP + 2027 SAC LP FRP

MIA OUT - Jimmy Butler
MIA IN - Anfernee Simons + Kevin Huerter + Trey Lyles + 1 PHX SRP

SAC OUT - Kevin Huerter + Trey Lyles + 2027 SAC LP FRP
SAC IN - Jerami Grant + 2 PHX SRP

PHX OUT - Bradley Beal + 2031 UNP FRP + 3 PHX SRP
PHX IN - Jimmy Butler

TRADE 2 - Ayton for CJ McCollum
TRADE 2 - Banton for JHS + higher of LAL / LAC 2025 SRP

G - Scoot Henderson / CJ McCollum / Jalen Hood-Schifero
G - Shadeon Sharpe / CJ McCollum / Rayan Rupert
F - Toumari Camara / Matisse Thybulle / Rayan Rupert
F - Deni Avdija / Kris Murray / G-League Signing
C - Robert Williams III / Donovan Clingan / Duop Reath

+
LAL / LAC 2025 SRP (Higher)
SAC 2027 FRP LP
MIL 2028 FRP Swap (UNP)
2029 Most + Least Favorable FRP (PDX / MIL / BOS)
MIL 2030 FPR Swap (UNP)
PHX 2031 FRP UNP
MIL 2031 FRP UNP

[Butter]

Another idea, one I actually prefer as I wish to keep RWIII, would be -

PDX OUT - Jerami Grant + Anfernee Simons
PDX IN - Bradley Beal + 2031 PHX UNP FRP + 2027 SAC LP FRP

MIA OUT - Jimmy Butler
MIA IN - Anfernee Simons + Kevin Huerter + Trey Lyles + 1 PHX SRP

SAC OUT - Kevin Huerter + Trey Lyles + 2027 SAC LP FRP
SAC IN - Jerami Grant + 2 PHX SRP

PHX OUT - Bradley Beal + 2031 UNP FRP + 3 PHX SRP
PHX IN - Jimmy Butler

TRADE 2 - Ayton for CJ McCollum
TRADE 2 - Banton for JHS + higher of LAL / LAC 2025 SRP

G - Scoot Henderson / CJ McCollum / Jalen Hood-Schifero
G - Shadeon Sharpe / CJ McCollum / Rayan Rupert
F - Toumari Camara / Matisse Thybulle / Rayan Rupert
F - Deni Avdija / Kris Murray / G-League Signing
C - Robert Williams III / Donovan Clingan / Duop Reath

+
LAL / LAC 2025 SRP (Higher)
SAC 2027 FRP LP
MIL 2028 FRP Swap (UNP)
2029 Most + Least Favorable FRP (PDX / MIL / BOS)
MIL 2030 FPR Swap (UNP)
PHX 2031 FRP UNP
MIL 2031 FRP UNP

Where does Beal end up after all of this?

Also, Miami ends up with

Rozier $24M
Herro. $29M
Simons $25M
Huerter $16M

That's a $100M just for four players

[BlazersBroncos]

Another idea, one I actually prefer as I wish to keep RWIII, would be -

PDX OUT - Jerami Grant + Anfernee Simons
PDX IN - Bradley Beal + 2031 PHX UNP FRP + 2027 SAC LP FRP

MIA OUT - Jimmy Butler
MIA IN - Anfernee Simons + Kevin Huerter + Trey Lyles + 1 PHX SRP

SAC OUT - Kevin Huerter + Trey Lyles + 2027 SAC LP FRP
SAC IN - Jerami Grant + 2 PHX SRP

PHX OUT - Bradley Beal + 2031 UNP FRP + 3 PHX SRP
PHX IN - Jimmy Butler

TRADE 2 - Ayton for CJ McCollum
TRADE 2 - Banton for JHS + higher of LAL / LAC 2025 SRP

G - Scoot Henderson / CJ McCollum / Jalen Hood-Schifero
G - Shadeon Sharpe / CJ McCollum / Rayan Rupert
F - Toumari Camara / Matisse Thybulle / Rayan Rupert
F - Deni Avdija / Kris Murray / G-League Signing
C - Robert Williams III / Donovan Clingan / Duop Reath

+
LAL / LAC 2025 SRP (Higher)
SAC 2027 FRP LP
MIL 2028 FRP Swap (UNP)
2029 Most + Least Favorable FRP (PDX / MIL / BOS)
MIL 2030 FPR Swap (UNP)
PHX 2031 FRP UNP
MIL 2031 FRP UNP

Where does Beal end up after all of this?

Also, Miami ends up with

Rozier $24M
Herro. $29M
Simons $25M
Huerter $16M

That's a $100M just for four players

Miami does this to get something to stay competitive and convey their FRP to OKC (As in 2026 its UNP) while not taking salary past 2026. Thats the main goal for them from everything I have heard.

Beal would be bought out - its why the trade at its base is unrealistic.

[BlazersBroncos]

I would be interested in a Grant trade w/ MEM that includes Jake LaRavia. He is having a breakout 3rd season, posting great advanced stats on a good team (+10.2 OnCourt, +3.3 On/Off, .137 WS/48, 1.4 BPM). He has that all around game similar to Deni - can shoot, pass and rebound with good size for either F spot.

His 4th year option was declined so we would have to sign him using the MLE this offseason, but at 23 I would not be opposed to that. He would be like having a poor-mans Deni off the bench (Albeit I think he could push Camara for the 2nd starting F spot).

Think I could live with something like -

Grant + Walker for Clarke + Kennard + LaRavia + 3-4 SRP

[Wizenheimer]

Beal's contract is shocking every time I look it up.

he has a no trade clause too

[DusterBuster]

Beal's contract is shocking every time I look it up.

he has a no trade clause too

I always remember that, it’s in every headline about Beal… it’s the actual number per year that is just wild and shocks me every time I see it.

[Walton1one]

New, speculative, rumor

The Golden State Warriors may have a convincing reason to move Jonathan Kuminga in a blockbuster deal that could catapult them back to being title favorites following his recent ankle injury.

The Portland Trail Blazers are still actively shopping star forward Jerami Grant, while they’ve pulled back on testing the trade market for standout defensive center Robert Williams III with just under a month before the Feb. 6 NBA trade deadline. Including the highly-desirable Kuminga in a trade package could land Golden State both talents and address their biggest voids at the present.

Seeing that Kuminga is set to miss the next three weeks, his potential return will likely come right around the time that the deadline arrives. As much as the franchise is confident in him blossoming into their next marquee star, Golden State’s front office may have a golden opportunity to take a massive leap on both ends of the floor by acquiring the Blazers’ seasoned veterans.

The biggest question is whether or not the 22-year-old will usurp Grant’s productivity in his prime. He appears to be on a trajectory that will rival it at worst, but still has holes in his game that need to be addressed, particularly pertaining to his outside shooting. Grant may have a handful of years left to play at a fringe-All-Star level, which would make a trade of this sort more than worth it.

https://empiresportsmedia.com/warriors/latest-injury-to-warriors-rising-star-could-prompt-blockbuster-trade-with-title-implications/

I think this is farfetched, and not sure how they could even do this trade w\o including Wiggins? or having to include a 3rd team

Grant\RW3\Thybulle
for
Kuminga\Wigging\Payton (cut)\Looney\Santos (cut)

Again, can't see GS doing this, but that is the only way I can see it working

OR

Grant\RW3\Camara
for
Kuminga\Wiggins\Looney\Santos (cut)

Don't like that either...

[BlazersBroncos]

Kuminga is tough to evaluate with his impending payday. I would shy away putting myself in a position to, basically, handcuff myself into paying both Sharpe and Kuminga. Both guys are dripping with raw talent but both worry me with running hot/cold, generally not showing leadership qualities and not playing up to their athletic talents on defense.