Official NBA General Discussion 2024-25 V1.0

[navyblue]

Man GSW....what are they going to do? They need a good shakeup. Steph is still good. Shame.

Dennis Schroder in his 11 games with the Warriors: 9.5 PPG on 31/26/75 splits.

[Potential]

GSW is trash i can't believe there were people who fell for their 12-3 start. Lakers can't guard a raptors realgm.com poster. T Wolves GM sabotaged the team. Looks like it's OKC, Dallas, Denver and Memphis in the west

[Syd-TK3]

Sounds like these teams could use jakob poeltl

[PushDaRock]

That was always a draft where different guys are going to have the best year. Barnes arguably had the best year 1 and 3. So far there is 1 ROTY and 1 AllStar....and Barnes has them both. Not bad for a zero level scorer who was seen as a long term project.

Not to mention, as others have said, Mobley is in the ideal place. Hell he gets to play with 3 All Stars with 1 being a star.

And as for Cade and Franz, as scorers, they have the ball in their hands lots which they want and need. Franz took advantage of Pablo's injury and ran with it.

Barnes just doesn't have that scoring in his game(like Cade/Franz) or the team around him to be the 3rd option(like Mobley).

I think Franz/Sengun were both better than Scottie last year (they didn't make all star but that is due to **** out of their control. Mobley was the best their rookie year. Barnes was the best their 2nd year.

Barnes cannot be franz or Cade offensively because he is worse at scoring the ball and dribbling the ball. he is also just a worse slasher than Franz. It's not about having the ball more. he lacks the on ball skills.

if I had to bet long run and rank them: Franz = Mobley, Barnes, Sengun= Cade. Mobley is always going to have his defense to fall back on.

Franz love is too premature imo. Below average 3point shooter for 2 years now with a <2:1 AsT:TO ratio. Orlando has been in the bottom 10 in ORTG for all 3 years that he and Paolo have shared the court. The system does a lot more there than people like to think, and how well they're playing without both is evidence of that.

For me, Mobley has been and continues to be the number 1 prospect of that draft. Highest floor of any of them to this date. Cade has separated himself as number 2. After that, I think you can make an argument for any of Scottie, Sengun and Franz as who you would pick 3rd, and I think each position would have valid arguments.

I think Franz has significantly leap frogged Scottie. I would group Jalen Johnson in there as well and probably rank Scottie last out of the group. You have to factor in the numbers being pretty close but Scottie playing on the worst team by far out of all of them. Generally speaking, your numbers count more as empty ones when they're on a really bad team.

[Scizzup]

I think Franz/Sengun were both better than Scottie last year (they didn't make all star but that is due to **** out of their control. Mobley was the best their rookie year. Barnes was the best their 2nd year.

Barnes cannot be franz or Cade offensively because he is worse at scoring the ball and dribbling the ball. he is also just a worse slasher than Franz. It's not about having the ball more. he lacks the on ball skills.

if I had to bet long run and rank them: Franz = Mobley, Barnes, Sengun= Cade. Mobley is always going to have his defense to fall back on.

Franz love is too premature imo. Below average 3point shooter for 2 years now with a <2:1 AsT:TO ratio. Orlando has been in the bottom 10 in ORTG for all 3 years that he and Paolo have shared the court. The system does a lot more there than people like to think, and how well they're playing without both is evidence of that.

For me, Mobley has been and continues to be the number 1 prospect of that draft. Highest floor of any of them to this date. Cade has separated himself as number 2. After that, I think you can make an argument for any of Scottie, Sengun and Franz as who you would pick 3rd, and I think each position would have valid arguments.

I think Franz has significantly leap frogged Scottie. I would group Jalen Johnson in there as well and probably rank Scottie last out of the group. You have to factor in the numbers being pretty close but Scottie playing on the worst team by far out of all of them. Generally speaking, your numbers count more as empty ones when they're on a really bad team.

Franz, yup. I don't agree on jalen johnson yet, he is doing what Scottie did last year with less defense. Trae helps him a lot this year (top 2 passer/playmaker). Johnson is good, I just don't see the high ceiling he seems way too much of a garbage style scorer that doesn't defend. At least Scottie is a good passer/playmaker at his best.

[Scizzup]

OK so I am watching Cavs/Thunder and yea this is not the same Mobley at all. He is actually aggressive on his 1on1 attacks. This is not just him being on great team, he really has improved. He has made 3 moves this game against elite defense that I ain't seen him do all playoffs last year.

[PushDaRock]

Franz love is too premature imo. Below average 3point shooter for 2 years now with a <2:1 AsT:TO ratio. Orlando has been in the bottom 10 in ORTG for all 3 years that he and Paolo have shared the court. The system does a lot more there than people like to think, and how well they're playing without both is evidence of that.

For me, Mobley has been and continues to be the number 1 prospect of that draft. Highest floor of any of them to this date. Cade has separated himself as number 2. After that, I think you can make an argument for any of Scottie, Sengun and Franz as who you would pick 3rd, and I think each position would have valid arguments.

I think Franz has significantly leap frogged Scottie. I would group Jalen Johnson in there as well and probably rank Scottie last out of the group. You have to factor in the numbers being pretty close but Scottie playing on the worst team by far out of all of them. Generally speaking, your numbers count more as empty ones when they're on a really bad team.

Franz, yup. I don't agree on jalen johnson yet, he is doing what Scottie did last year with less defense. Trae helps him a lot this year (top 2 passer/playmaker). Johnson is good, I just don't see the high ceiling he seems way too much of a garbage style scorer that doesn't defend. At least Scottie is a good passer/playmaker at his best.

Johnson is more efficient especially when it comes to eFG%, he's a much better finisher of plays than Scottie. He's more athletic and I think his D isn't bad by any means. He's at 2.6 stocks per game this year, better than Scottie this season. He's also a better rebounder as well.

I think Johnson not needing a ton of usage to still be effective is also a positive, there's little reason to believe he wouldn't make a great 3rd option at worst on a good team. Trae does help him a lot but he also helps Trae out there too, they play well together as seen by their on/off splits compared to the rest of the team.

Johnson's potential is tbd but he's still on the upswing and he's made another jump this season after breaking out last year. He's improved in literally every area this year. He's become a better scorer, rebounder, passer and defender. Scottie's development has stalled out. Other than his midrange game, everything else looks the same or has regressed.

[Scizzup]

I think Franz has significantly leap frogged Scottie. I would group Jalen Johnson in there as well and probably rank Scottie last out of the group. You have to factor in the numbers being pretty close but Scottie playing on the worst team by far out of all of them. Generally speaking, your numbers count more as empty ones when they're on a really bad team.

Franz, yup. I don't agree on jalen johnson yet, he is doing what Scottie did last year with less defense. Trae helps him a lot this year (top 2 passer/playmaker). Johnson is good, I just don't see the high ceiling he seems way too much of a garbage style scorer that doesn't defend. At least Scottie is a good passer/playmaker at his best.

Johnson is more efficient especially when it comes to eFG%, he's a much better finisher of plays than Scottie. He's more athletic and I think his D isn't bad by any means. He's at 2.6 stocks per game this year, better than Scottie this season. He's also a better rebounder as well.

I think Johnson not needing a ton of usage to still be effective is also a positive, there's little reason to believe he wouldn't make a great 3rd option at worst on a good team. Trae does help him a lot but he also helps Trae out there too, they play well together as seen by their on/off splits compared to the rest of the team.

Johnson's potential is tbd but he's still on the upswing and he's made another jump this season after breaking out last year. He's improved in literally every area this year. He's become a better scorer, rebounder, passer and defender. Scottie's development has stalled out. Other than his midrange game, everything else looks the same or has regressed.

Nah, he is not a good defender stocks don't matter to me. He doesn't stay in front of anyone and bad off ball. Regarding the rebounding, I can agree but that also is product of the team he plays on. Hawks don't have a lot of great individual rebounders (Capela don't play as much) and Onyeka is not a great defensive rebounder due to size. Someone has to get the rebounds. Similar to how KAT is suddenly the best rebounder in the league this year (playing on Knicks).

I already mentioned he was more efficient but he is getting a lot more shots created for him and much better looks playing with Trae lol. Trae is a top 3-5 passer in the league. I think Barnes can definitely put up 58% TS if he was playing with Trae. This is different from Franz, who is creating his shots himself (why I have him higher). Jalen Johnson self created numbers are oof.

I am harsh on Barnes too but context matters also.

[PushDaRock]

Franz, yup. I don't agree on jalen johnson yet, he is doing what Scottie did last year with less defense. Trae helps him a lot this year (top 2 passer/playmaker). Johnson is good, I just don't see the high ceiling he seems way too much of a garbage style scorer that doesn't defend. At least Scottie is a good passer/playmaker at his best.

Johnson is more efficient especially when it comes to eFG%, he's a much better finisher of plays than Scottie. He's more athletic and I think his D isn't bad by any means. He's at 2.6 stocks per game this year, better than Scottie this season. He's also a better rebounder as well.

I think Johnson not needing a ton of usage to still be effective is also a positive, there's little reason to believe he wouldn't make a great 3rd option at worst on a good team. Trae does help him a lot but he also helps Trae out there too, they play well together as seen by their on/off splits compared to the rest of the team.

Johnson's potential is tbd but he's still on the upswing and he's made another jump this season after breaking out last year. He's improved in literally every area this year. He's become a better scorer, rebounder, passer and defender. Scottie's development has stalled out. Other than his midrange game, everything else looks the same or has regressed.

Nah, he is not a good defender stocks don't matter to me. He doesn't stay in front of anyone and bad off ball. Regarding the rebounding, I can agree but that also is product of the team he plays on. Hawks don't have a lot of great individual rebounders (Capela don't play as much) and Onyeka is not a great defensive rebounder due to size. Someone has to get the rebounds. Similar to how KAT is suddenly the best rebounder in the league this year (playing on Knicks).

I already mentioned he was more efficient but he is getting a lot more shots created for him and much better looks playing with Trae lol. Trae is a top 3-5 passer in the league. I think Barnes can definitely put up 58% TS if he was playing with Trae. This is different from Franz, who is creating his shots himself (why I have him higher). Jalen Johnson self created numbers are oof.

I am harsh on Barnes too but context matters also.

It's close, I'm just giving the edge to Johnson because he's doing it on a better team. I think Scottie has more overall potential but the numbers this year are just very mediocre and I count that even more negatively when it's on a very bad team where someone has to put up numbers.

We aren't factoring value in this discussion but if we were, I think that makes it a lot more interesting too considering Johnson is making 30m in AAV while Scottie is at 45m.

[ForeverTFC]

OK so I am watching Cavs/Thunder and yea this is not the same Mobley at all. He is actually aggressive on his 1on1 attacks. This is not just him being on great team, he really has improved. He has made 3 moves this game against elite defense that I ain't seen him do all playoffs last year.

Yup, he's taken a leap this year. He'll never be a high volume 3 guy I think, but he'll take them.

I hope the same happens for Scottie next year though that hope is fading over time.

[Scizzup]

Johnson is more efficient especially when it comes to eFG%, he's a much better finisher of plays than Scottie. He's more athletic and I think his D isn't bad by any means. He's at 2.6 stocks per game this year, better than Scottie this season. He's also a better rebounder as well.

I think Johnson not needing a ton of usage to still be effective is also a positive, there's little reason to believe he wouldn't make a great 3rd option at worst on a good team. Trae does help him a lot but he also helps Trae out there too, they play well together as seen by their on/off splits compared to the rest of the team.

Johnson's potential is tbd but he's still on the upswing and he's made another jump this season after breaking out last year. He's improved in literally every area this year. He's become a better scorer, rebounder, passer and defender. Scottie's development has stalled out. Other than his midrange game, everything else looks the same or has regressed.

Nah, he is not a good defender stocks don't matter to me. He doesn't stay in front of anyone and bad off ball. Regarding the rebounding, I can agree but that also is product of the team he plays on. Hawks don't have a lot of great individual rebounders (Capela don't play as much) and Onyeka is not a great defensive rebounder due to size. Someone has to get the rebounds. Similar to how KAT is suddenly the best rebounder in the league this year (playing on Knicks).

I already mentioned he was more efficient but he is getting a lot more shots created for him and much better looks playing with Trae lol. Trae is a top 3-5 passer in the league. I think Barnes can definitely put up 58% TS if he was playing with Trae. This is different from Franz, who is creating his shots himself (why I have him higher). Jalen Johnson self created numbers are oof.

I am harsh on Barnes too but context matters also.

It's close, I'm just giving the edge to Johnson because he's doing it on a better team. I think Scottie has more overall potential but the numbers this year are just very mediocre and I count that even more negatively when it's on a very bad team where someone has to put up numbers.

We aren't factoring value in this discussion but if we were, I think that makes it a lot more interesting too considering Johnson is making 30m in AAV while Scottie is at 45m.

I don't like that 'doing it on better team" shtick but you are right it's been close this year. I agree to that. But Barnes last year was clearly better than this year johnson though. Scottie hasn't played with IQ enough for me this year or even enough games. Trae Young draws double teams, no one on this team can do that consistently to free up Scottie. Barnes is being forced to create more than he should to me.

[PushDaRock]

Nah, he is not a good defender stocks don't matter to me. He doesn't stay in front of anyone and bad off ball. Regarding the rebounding, I can agree but that also is product of the team he plays on. Hawks don't have a lot of great individual rebounders (Capela don't play as much) and Onyeka is not a great defensive rebounder due to size. Someone has to get the rebounds. Similar to how KAT is suddenly the best rebounder in the league this year (playing on Knicks).

I already mentioned he was more efficient but he is getting a lot more shots created for him and much better looks playing with Trae lol. Trae is a top 3-5 passer in the league. I think Barnes can definitely put up 58% TS if he was playing with Trae. This is different from Franz, who is creating his shots himself (why I have him higher). Jalen Johnson self created numbers are oof.

I am harsh on Barnes too but context matters also.

It's close, I'm just giving the edge to Johnson because he's doing it on a better team. I think Scottie has more overall potential but the numbers this year are just very mediocre and I count that even more negatively when it's on a very bad team where someone has to put up numbers.

We aren't factoring value in this discussion but if we were, I think that makes it a lot more interesting too considering Johnson is making 30m in AAV while Scottie is at 45m.

I don't like that 'doing it on better team" shtick but you are right it's been close this year. I agree to that. But Barnes last year was clearly better than this year johnson though. Scottie hasn't played with IQ enough for me this year or even enough games. Trae Young draws double teams, no one on this team can do that consistently to free up Scottie. Barnes is being forced to create more than he should to me.

People aren't giving RJ much credit for his numbers either so I think it's a pretty normal thing to factor in team success. Sure, we can point to those reasons for why Scottie isn't excelling but we can do that for every player on a bad team or not in the ideal situation. Scottie very well might be able to be efficient in a better situation but he's still yet to show it.

[WaltFrazier]

OKC Cleveland is not the Finals that Silver or ABC/ESPN would want but would be a great matchup

[PushDaRock]

Trent has actually settled in nicely after a really rough start. Predictably, he's really efficient when sticking to his strengths which is strictly catch and shoot 3's. Up to 59 TS% now, I could see easily him getting up into the 60's with his current shot diet. Not sure that will help him get a nice contract in the summer though as Beasley only got a 1 year 6m deal after a similar year with the Bucks last season.

[ItsDanger]

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[AkelaLoneWolf]

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I’m sure someone can pull up a similar jimmy butler quote.
It’s good until it’s not. That’s the only consistent truth

[WaltFrazier]

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Huh? What? So he's not coming home to the Raps next contract?

[Los_29]

Rockets with a big road win. Edey continues to struggle. Averaging 7/5 over his last 5.

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Huh? What? So he's not coming home to the Raps next contract?

Can EASILY bring Murray home with $50 million in expirings.

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Rockets with a big road win. Edey continues to struggle. Averaging 7/5 over his last 5.

While Ja is healthy, they gotta trade for Poeltl.

Poeltl
For
Edey and Luke Kennard

Flip Kennard and 2nd pick (need to get a crappy 2nd trading someone else first) to LAC for PJ Tucker and 2025 1st pick (OKC)