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Re: 2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 3 

Post#1821 » by Enso » Thu Jan 9, 2025 2:27 am

DayofMourning wrote:
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Great life lesson for the Heat. They hand out some of the best contracts. Theyve been proven wrong on 85.6% of them.

Take it easy. Nobodys missing Gabe, Strus, Martin. Nobody. Literally nobody.


Hasn't Struss been good for Cleveland and Martin decent for the 76ers?


Im not disparaging them and their play this year. Im saying their production is replaceable. The org likes to keep their guys and pay them. This recent group we didnt sign worked out okay I think.


Gotcha, yeah I would agree
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Post#1822 » by twix2500 » Thu Jan 9, 2025 2:55 am

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What's Draymond implying?

Is he saying that Jimmy's tired of the the team's ways, rules, culture, management etc?

Or is he saying that he's tired of the front office's failures to add stars?


He is implying what I meantion a few days ago. There is off court obligation of players to get involved in especially as a star to the team. Butler doesn't get involved. He is pretty much absent and leaves Bam and Herro doing these things. It's one of the reasons Bam has become the captain. Outside of basketball Butler is very non compliant. The heat have allowed Butler to do as he pleases. Butler media day hair thing is a hint to the public of how Butler is very flippant about the non basketball aspects. It's not just Butler being a comedian. Being a face figure on and off the courtvis usually part of your contractual agreement, but at some point the Heat are saying this is not going be allowed at 37 yrs old if you want to be the highest paid player on the team. It's the same issue the Heat had with Lowry. Lowry and Butler became a tandem that was really flippant on representation of the organization outside of the court. As an example if an organization wants to partner with the Heat they want to know will Butler be involved or all they getting is Dedmon or Orlando Robinson. Shaq Wade and Lebron was great representation off court for the Heat



So you’re saying Butler is tired of having to say no to the team asking him to take part in non basketball activities?

The way you framed your answer was more from the team’s perspective

My question is what exactly is being implied Jimmy is tired of? The team’s ways? Or the team’s failure to add a star? Or the teams non basketball stuff that he’s already not doing?


There been clashes between the Heat business management side and Butler. Butler expect and gets off-court privileges and business access or perks for him and his partners from the Heat organization but in return he doesn’t participate or rarely participate in any of the Heat off court business activities. He doesn’t want to be a spokesman for the organization like Marino was for the Dolphins or, Shaq and Wade was for the Heat. He wants that to continue and get paid as if he is a spokesman as he ages.
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Post#1823 » by MorbidHEAT » Thu Jan 9, 2025 3:33 am

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Best version of the Jimmy era. Bam absolutely needs a big man that can shoot the 3.
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Post#1824 » by Umbooki » Thu Jan 9, 2025 3:37 am

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Stay tuned.

What the hell, sure. Can’t pretend like I didn’t root for STAT’s corpse when he was here back in the day. Randle may pout, but based on his time with The Knicks, he’ll embrace the organization.
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Post#1825 » by MorbidHEAT » Thu Jan 9, 2025 3:39 am

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We might legit have at least 1 championship if not for injuries to Jimmy, Bam, Dragic, Dipo, and Herro in key moments. I wish Dipo worked out and was Indy Dipo :cry:


Ain’t that the truth. I’m convinced that we could have handled the Lakers in the bubble. I have no doubt about that.

Watching a Dipo performance in that clip or watching all the times he stripped the Celtics that one series, hurts. What could have been.
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Post#1826 » by Hoops3355 » Thu Jan 9, 2025 4:26 am

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We might legit have at least 1 championship if not for injuries to Jimmy, Bam, Dragic, Dipo, and Herro in key moments. I wish Dipo worked out and was Indy Dipo :cry:


Ain’t that the truth. I’m convinced that we could have handled the Lakers in the bubble. I have no doubt about that.

Watching a Dipo performance in that clip or watching all the times he stripped the Celtics that one series, hurts. What could have been.



100%. It was our best chance matchup wise.
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Post#1827 » by MettaWorldPanda » Thu Jan 9, 2025 4:49 am

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Best version of the Jimmy era. Bam absolutely needs a big man that can shoot the 3.

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Post#1828 » by insfo » Thu Jan 9, 2025 5:13 am

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Been saying this. No clue how he keeps falling out of the rotation

It's just Spo tinkering. He does this every year, but I agree, Burks looks like a rotation player to me.


In the games he didn't play 20 minutes, he went a collective 7/25 on 3s shooting 28%

So does he shoot better when getting more minutes, or does he lose minutes when he doesn't start off well I wonder.
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Post#1829 » by RexBoyWonder » Thu Jan 9, 2025 8:20 am

MettaWorldPanda wrote:
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Best version of the Jimmy era. Bam absolutely needs a big man that can shoot the 3.




Or Just friging play Bam next Ware, who as a rookie is shooting 43% from 3.

Kid has legit talent, he won't be that good on higher volume but he'll be decent enough.

Seeing teams driving into our paint only to see him there and backing out is a sight for sore eyes.
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Post#1830 » by marson » Thu Jan 9, 2025 8:42 am

RexBoyWonder wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:
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Best version of the Jimmy era. Bam absolutely needs a big man that can shoot the 3.




Or Just friging play Bam next Ware, who as a rookie is shooting 43% from 3.

Kid has legit talent, he won't be that good on higher volume but he'll be decent enough.

Seeing teams driving into our paint only to see him there and backing out is a sight for sore eyes.


The issue is that we won't have a backup center when Ware sits, which means more defensive minutes for KLove. We've managed to address the non-Bam defensive challenges with Ware coming off the bench. I hope Spo continues with the effective Ware-Jovic bench combo that's been working well.
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Post#1831 » by Pokuokic » Thu Jan 9, 2025 9:23 am

Why is Orlando not a option? Jimmy could help Franz/Paulo as a 3rd option (could become a #1 option come playoffs)
Something like KCP/Isaac/protected 1st (no chance they give up Da Silva or there 2 C's imo) for Jimmy the Heat get 2 elite defenders and a SF/PF next to Bam. Isaac contract drops to 15mil per year after this season. KCP can play SF or SG and you can still try make moves for a pass first PG

Jimmy gets to stay in Florida and play for a team if healthy is way better talent wise than anything he had in Miami although the shooting on the team is suss the defense would be insane. He can also pretty much coast with Franz/Paulo/Suggs doing most the heavy lifting during the regular season.

Jimmy makes Orlando a legit contender imo even if for 1-2 seasons only
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Post#1832 » by marson » Thu Jan 9, 2025 9:56 am

Pokuokic wrote:Why is Orlando not a option? Jimmy could help Franz/Paulo as a 3rd option (could become a #1 option come playoffs)
Something like KCP/Isaac/protected 1st (no chance they give up Da Silva or there 2 C's imo) for Jimmy the Heat get 2 elite defenders and a SF/PF next to Bam. Isaac contract drops to 15mil per year after this season. KCP can play SF or SG and you can still try make moves for a pass first PG

Jimmy gets to stay in Florida and play for a team if healthy is way better talent wise than anything he had in Miami although the shooting on the team is suss the defense would be insane. He can also pretty much coast with Franz/Paulo/Suggs doing most the heavy lifting during the regular season.

Jimmy makes Orlando a legit contender imo even if for 1-2 seasons only


Not worthwhile for Orlando. It's Phoenix or nothing at this point. They just need a third team for Beal, and he still has to waive his no-trade clause. Jimmy returning to play seems more likely.
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Post#1833 » by Bishop45 » Thu Jan 9, 2025 10:19 am

RexBoyWonder wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:
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Best version of the Jimmy era. Bam absolutely needs a big man that can shoot the 3.




Or Just friging play Bam next Ware, who as a rookie is shooting 43% from 3.

Kid has legit talent, he won't be that good on higher volume but he'll be decent enough.

Seeing teams driving into our paint only to see him there and backing out is a sight for sore eyes.


He will have to get his attempts up to be taken seriously
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Post#1834 » by contract » Thu Jan 9, 2025 11:38 am

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DayofMourning wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:Not looking good as that first from Suns is headed to the team that takes on Beals contract most likely


Great life lesson for the Heat. They hand out some of the best contracts. Theyve been proven wrong on 85.6% of them.

Take it easy. Nobodys missing Gabe, Strus, Martin. Nobody. Literally nobody.


Hasn't Struss been good for Cleveland and Martin decent for the 76ers?

Both are solid rotation players. Neither is very good. Both are guys that you love on minimum salaries, but like less when you're paying them several million a year.

Let me put it this way, at this point I'd rather own Duncan's contract than Max's contract.
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Post#1835 » by Beenie » Thu Jan 9, 2025 11:50 am

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He is implying what I meantion a few days ago. There is off court obligation of players to get involved in especially as a star to the team. Butler doesn't get involved. He is pretty much absent and leaves Bam and Herro doing these things. It's one of the reasons Bam has become the captain. Outside of basketball Butler is very non compliant. The heat have allowed Butler to do as he pleases. Butler media day hair thing is a hint to the public of how Butler is very flippant about the non basketball aspects. It's not just Butler being a comedian. Being a face figure on and off the courtvis usually part of your contractual agreement, but at some point the Heat are saying this is not going be allowed at 37 yrs old if you want to be the highest paid player on the team. It's the same issue the Heat had with Lowry. Lowry and Butler became a tandem that was really flippant on representation of the organization outside of the court. As an example if an organization wants to partner with the Heat they want to know will Butler be involved or all they getting is Dedmon or Orlando Robinson. Shaq Wade and Lebron was great representation off court for the Heat



So you’re saying Butler is tired of having to say no to the team asking him to take part in non basketball activities?

The way you framed your answer was more from the team’s perspective

My question is what exactly is being implied Jimmy is tired of? The team’s ways? Or the team’s failure to add a star? Or the teams non basketball stuff that he’s already not doing?


There been clashes between the Heat business management side and Butler. Butler expect and gets off-court privileges and business access or perks for him and his partners from the Heat organization but in return he doesn’t participate or rarely participate in any of the Heat off court business activities. He doesn’t want to be a spokesman for the organization like Marino was for the Dolphins or, Shaq and Wade was for the Heat. He wants that to continue and get paid as if he is a spokesman as he ages.


I understand your point but it still doesn’t answer the question I’m asking.

Draymond is implying that Jimmy is tired of the team and it’s been years in the making and I’m trying to get to the bottom of what specific aspect he is tired of.

If he’s already mostly not involved with the team’s non basketball business activities then how could he be tired of them?
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Post#1836 » by MettaWorldPanda » Thu Jan 9, 2025 1:01 pm

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DayofMourning wrote:
Great life lesson for the Heat. They hand out some of the best contracts. Theyve been proven wrong on 85.6% of them.

Take it easy. Nobodys missing Gabe, Strus, Martin. Nobody. Literally nobody.


Hasn't Struss been good for Cleveland and Martin decent for the 76ers?

Both are solid rotation players. Neither is very good. Both are guys that you love on minimum salaries, but like less when you're paying them several million a year.

Let me put it this way, at this point I'd rather own Duncan's contract than Max's contract.

Give me Max all day over Duncan. Watched him ball last night. Strus was loose. Strus earned his spot over Duncan while he was here and earned that contract which is still 3 million less than Dunc’s.
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Post#1837 » by contract » Thu Jan 9, 2025 1:09 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:
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Hasn't Struss been good for Cleveland and Martin decent for the 76ers?

Both are solid rotation players. Neither is very good. Both are guys that you love on minimum salaries, but like less when you're paying them several million a year.

Let me put it this way, at this point I'd rather own Duncan's contract than Max's contract.

Give me Max all day over Duncan. Watched him ball last night. Strus was loose. Strus earned his spot over Duncan while he was here and earned that contract which is still 3 million less than Dunc’s.

It's not $3 million less next season when Robinson's salary is only partially guaranteed, and Max's deal is a year longer. Both are paid way above replacement cost.
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Post#1838 » by eddieheatfan » Thu Jan 9, 2025 1:26 pm

meanwhile, the wait continues!
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Post#1839 » by twix2500 » Thu Jan 9, 2025 1:26 pm

Beenie wrote:
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So you’re saying Butler is tired of having to say no to the team asking him to take part in non basketball activities?

The way you framed your answer was more from the team’s perspective

My question is what exactly is being implied Jimmy is tired of? The team’s ways? Or the team’s failure to add a star? Or the teams non basketball stuff that he’s already not doing?


There been clashes between the Heat business management side and Butler. Butler expect and gets off-court privileges and business access or perks for him and his partners from the Heat organization but in return he doesn’t participate or rarely participate in any of the Heat off court business activities. He doesn’t want to be a spokesman for the organization like Marino was for the Dolphins or, Shaq and Wade was for the Heat. He wants that to continue and get paid as if he is a spokesman as he ages.


I understand your point but it still doesn’t answer the question I’m asking.

Draymond is implying that Jimmy is tired of the team and it’s been years in the making and I’m trying to get to the bottom of what specific aspect he is tired of.

If he’s already mostly not involved with the team’s non basketball business activities then how could he be tired of them?


let's say Butler is a supervisor of a department. There is two relationship he has, there is his department team and there is management team. Your department production is excellent and his personal sales numbers are excellent, best sales department in the company but the relationship and duties with management is horrible. That relationship with management team can make him or any person tired of working there. You skip a lot of management meetings or lunch ins or network events, or when you do you don't say much etc. Upper management hasn't forced you but they are constantly trying the get you to work with lower management. Your raise is coming and you know the issue with management is coming up. You don't want to improve your relationship with management, you want max raise solely on department performance. The CEO at a company meeting makes a statement about everyone needs to work together which you know is a known beef you are having. A lot of times that person will say f that I'm tired of it. Let me go elsewhere who will pay me solely for the dept production.

From Butler perspective he doesn't care for the management duties. Has no real interest in that side of the job. He feels the company needs him regardless because of the sales numbers. He feels they need to stop harassing him about anything outside the department.

Off the court responsibilities is a big part of nba players responsibilities. The inter workings and relationships of that is not talked about by the media. The media sticks with on court coverage unless something becomes public like a lawsuit or arrest etc. However, there are players who have been cut or traded because of this part of the job. Look at Boston former coach Udoka. Look how vague his incident was covered. Had nothing to do with on court production.
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Post#1840 » by dshearn » Thu Jan 9, 2025 1:48 pm

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We might legit have at least 1 championship if not for injuries to Jimmy, Bam, Dragic, Dipo, and Herro in key moments. I wish Dipo worked out and was Indy Dipo :cry:


Ain’t that the truth. I’m convinced that we could have handled the Lakers in the bubble. I have no doubt about that.

Watching a Dipo performance in that clip or watching all the times he stripped the Celtics that one series, hurts. What could have been.



I don't watch much non-heat bb. So took me a while to figure out Brown was a good player after Dipo spent a series destroying him....

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