3 PHO trades to reshape their team

aguiar95 · Post #1 » by **aguiar95** » Thu Jan 9, 2025 1:22 pm

Trade 1

Nurkic for Green + Richards

PHO gets depth while CHA aims for a vet center untill Williams is ready.

Trade 2

Allen for Harris + Joseph + '25 DEN 1st

PHO gets a 1st which they'll use to get Butler, while ORL gets shooting.

Trade 3 - The big one

PHO gets Butler, MIA gets Harris + Hardaway + '25 DEN 1st + '31 PHO 1st swap, DET gets Beal + 3 2nds (via PHO)]

DET gets paid for capspace, MIA gets out of Butler receiving rotation players and pick/pickswap, PHO gets their guy

Jones/Morris
Booker/Green
Butler/Dunn
Durant/Ighodaro
Richards/Plumlee

Post #2 » by **BBallFreak** » Thu Jan 9, 2025 1:23 pm

Change that 31 deal to a real pick and it's done

daoneandonly · Post #3 » by **daoneandonly** » Thu Jan 9, 2025 1:24 pm

Trade 1 and 3 are way too good for Phoenix, and this is coming from probably the biggest Josh Green hater there is

Post #4 » by **BBallFreak** » Thu Jan 9, 2025 1:41 pm

daoneandonly wrote:Trade 1 and 3 are way too good for Phoenix, and this is coming from probably the biggest Josh Green hater there is

Agreed. The Denver first, along with those seconds, should go to Detroit, and the Phoenix first (a real one, not a swap) should go to Miami. Denver has to pay to dump Beal and they have to pay Miami for Butler. The original deal is them skirting out on their obligations...

Godaddycurse · Post #5 » by **Godaddycurse** » Thu Jan 9, 2025 1:54 pm

Detroit is not taking beal for 3 seconds

Skybox · Post #6 » by **Skybox** » Thu Jan 9, 2025 2:19 pm

I can't see ORL sending even a late first to PHX for Allen. Especially if expiring salaries are attached...ORL has big extensions coming up over the next two seasons, so they'll need to be more fiscally responsible, especially with bench players. Allen isn't enough of an offensive change coming in to justify his $17, 18, 19m guaranteed to ORL's bottom line. PHX need look elsewhere for their bailout...would like Tyus, but his contract is so low it won't make a difference to PHX.

IF they do anything this aggressive (they won't) it better be for more of a playmaker who can also shoot.

Kalamazoo317 · Post #7 » by **Kalamazoo317** » Thu Jan 9, 2025 2:56 pm

No from Detroit. Harris and Hardaway are both starters for us on reasonable contracts. Not sure Beal would even want to play for us and he's got a terrible injury history and terrible contract situation.

Post #8 » by **gswhoops** » Thu Jan 9, 2025 3:43 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:Detroit is not taking beal for 3 seconds

Yeah. Fundamentally, there's no way around the problem that Phoenix simply doesn't have enough movable assets to dump Beal and acquire Butler no matter how you dress it up.

I'm not sure how you square the circle of turning Beal plus some or all of Allen, Dunn, Oso, and their '31 1st into Butler

BlazersBroncos · Post #9 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Thu Jan 9, 2025 3:48 pm

Beal for some SRP is absolutely bananas.

The FRP capital should be going to DET for taking on Beal and the SRP instead to MIA.

winforlose · Post #10 » by **winforlose** » Thu Jan 9, 2025 3:49 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:Detroit is not taking beal for 3 seconds

“ Detroit is not taking beal” fixed it for you.

louc1970 · Post #11 » by **louc1970** » Thu Jan 9, 2025 5:42 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:Detroit is not taking beal for 3 seconds

That is what I was thinking as well. Move the 25 FRP to Detroit. Might even have to move the 31 FRP to Detroit and send the SRP to Miami.

Miami gets value in dumping Butler and that might be all that is needed.

Post #12 » by **BBallFreak** » Thu Jan 9, 2025 5:56 pm

louc1970 wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:Detroit is not taking beal for 3 seconds

That is what I was thinking as well. Move the 25 FRP to Detroit. Might even have to move the 31 FRP to Detroit and send the SRP to Miami.

Miami gets value in dumping Butler and that might be all that is needed.

It's not

redslastlaugh · Post #13 » by **redslastlaugh** » Thu Jan 9, 2025 6:17 pm

Because of his no-trade clause, a lot of these Beal trades are swimming upstream against a raging current. Like Detroit seems a highly unlikely destination for Beal to accept. Even if the framework of the trade was acceptable to all teams, Brad just steps in and kills it.

Washington giving Beal the dollars & years he got on that super max contract, was a pretty bad blunder of an overpay. But giving him a no-trade clause was outright insanity, what the heck were they thinking, lol!!

Post #14 » by **jbk1234** » Thu Jan 9, 2025 7:30 pm

Trade 1 has no shot. Nurkic doesn't have positive trade value.

dremill24 · Post #15 » by **dremill24** » Thu Jan 9, 2025 8:22 pm

jbk1234 wrote:Trade 1 has no shot. Nurkic doesn't have positive trade value.

I've actually been wondering whether Grant Williams is a bad enough contract at this point to do him + Richards for Nurk. His deal goes out even further and he's obviously out for quite a while. Perhaps it's bad enough in a vacuum but not that big a deal for Charlotte specifically. I think Nurk can be fine as a vet backup for a team that can handle the short-term salary. Maybe PHX has to throw in a 2nd :dontknow:

jredsaz · Post #16 » by **jredsaz** » Sat Jan 11, 2025 2:02 am

aguiar95 wrote:Trade 1

Nurkic for Green + Richards

PHO gets depth while CHA aims for a vet center untill Williams is ready.

Trade 2

Allen for Harris + Joseph + '25 DEN 1st

PHO gets a 1st which they'll use to get Butler, while ORL gets shooting.

Trade 3 - The big one

PHO gets Butler, MIA gets Harris + Hardaway + '25 DEN 1st + '31 PHO 1st swap, DET gets Beal + 3 2nds (via PHO)]

DET gets paid for capspace, MIA gets out of Butler receiving rotation players and pick/pickswap, PHO gets their guy

Jones/Morris
Booker/Green
Butler/Dunn
Durant/Ighodaro
Richards/Plumlee

I think something like that is their strategy. Tough needle to thread.

They_Them_Hatin · Post #17 » by **They_Them_Hatin** » Sat Jan 11, 2025 2:25 am

jbk1234 wrote:Trade 1 has no shot. Nurkic doesn't have positive trade value.

Phoenix is taking on Josh Green’s extra year at $15 million, he’s a minimum player. If we weren’t desperate for a center, Hornets should add 2nds.

They_Them_Hatin · Post #18 » by **They_Them_Hatin** » Sat Jan 11, 2025 2:27 am

dremill24 wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:Trade 1 has no shot. Nurkic doesn't have positive trade value.

I've actually been wondering whether Grant Williams is a bad enough contract at this point to do him + Richards for Nurk. His deal goes out even further and he's obviously out for quite a while. Perhaps it's bad enough in a vacuum but not that big a deal for Charlotte specifically. I think Nurk can be fine as a vet backup for a team that can handle the short-term salary. Maybe PHX has to throw in a 2nd

Phoenix is not throwing in any picks to take back the extra year of Grant or Green.

chrbal · Post #19 » by **chrbal** » Sat Jan 11, 2025 2:30 am

Simone Fontecchio, Tim Hardaway jr, and Marcus Sasser for Devin Booker

They_Them_Hatin · Post #20 » by **They_Them_Hatin** » Sat Jan 11, 2025 2:36 am

aguiar95 wrote:Trade 1

Nurkic for Green + Richards

PHO gets depth while CHA aims for a vet center untill Williams is ready.

Trade 2

Allen for Harris + Joseph + '25 DEN 1st

PHO gets a 1st which they'll use to get Butler, while ORL gets shooting.

Trade 3 - The big one

PHO gets Butler, MIA gets Harris + Hardaway + '25 DEN 1st + '31 PHO 1st swap, DET gets Beal + 3 2nds (via PHO)]

DET gets paid for capspace, MIA gets out of Butler receiving rotation players and pick/pickswap, PHO gets their guy

Jones/Morris
Booker/Green
Butler/Dunn
Durant/Ighodaro
Richards/Plumlee

I’m fine with the first 2 but no way is Detroit taking on Beal for 2nds if at all. I think Orlando wouldn’t want to just send expirings either. Realistically I can’t see a team taking him on that he’ll agree to. I would do the first 2 & see if you can attach Okogie+ 2nds for a bigger wing & just roll with it until the summer. Okogie + a 2nd for Zaire.