2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation

[Mulhollanddrive]

Hes not coming off the bench for 3 seasons so we played our cards right.

If he can score 28ppg and get 200m in his next contract he probably takes it, he was happy doing that in Washington so maybe this time Detroit (eg.).

[garrick]

Silver should implement some kind of rule for new NBA owners where for the first year any trades and transactions must be approved by a committee to prevent the new owner from making truly boneheaded and idiotic moves that will cripple the franchise.

Call it the Ishbia rule so his name can remain in infamy for all of basketball history.

[Saberestar]

Hes not coming off the bench for 3 seasons so we played our cards right.

A year ago he was a max meaningless stats guy in Washington he seemed content at that so back to it somewhere so he can get 200m in his next contract.

Yeah, that was a great move because he believes he is an starter in this league (he specifically said it in a recent interview) so he is wanna prefer to go to a team where he is an starter. Just one factor, but it's a solid strategy.

[bullsaficianado]

I don't know why starter level players get so offended coming off the bench if it's to help the team win games. Kukoc and Ginobili did it for years to benefit their team and they were starter level players and both HOF players. suck it up Beal.

[Saberestar]

I don't know why starter level players get so offended coming off the bench if it's to help the team win games. Kukoc and Ginobili did it for years to benefit their team and they were starter level players and both HOF players. suck it up Beal.

It's not a common thing, that's why you needed to talk about 2 really special players that played too many years ago. Kukoc played 25/30 years ago a Ginobili around 15 years ago.

Beal is your typical All-Star player that starts fading early in his career. He hasn't been the same player since he was 28-29 years old and he doesn't want to accept it. It's a matter of time.

[bullsaficianado]

I don't know why starter level players get so offended coming off the bench if it's to help the team win games. Kukoc and Ginobili did it for years to benefit their team and they were starter level players and both HOF players. suck it up Beal.

It's not a common thing, that's why you needed to talk about 2 really special players that played too many years ago. Kukoc played 25/30 years ago a Ginobili around 15 years ago.

Beal is your typical All-Star player that starts fading early in his career. He hasn't been the same player since he was 28-29 years old and he doesn't want to accept it. It's a matter of time.

Which is why you do the Butler trade if you can find a 3rd team and he will waive his NTC. Beal will have a nice game here and there but he is never consistent.

[BobbieL]

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If the Suns want Butler so bad than why have they not told Beal about it. He is the one with the NTC and can say no and no deal.

The Suns and Ishbia are going to make a disastrous trade and it is going to end ugly. If the Suns trade for Butler, the ten year drought 2010-2020 will be nothing compared to what will be happening in the coming years

Hopefully Ishbia stops thinking with his "little head" and starts thinking with the brain that built the mortgage company into what it has become. If he is trying to be Dan Gilbert - he will lose terribly

[Ghost of Kleine]

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But do other teams even legitimately want to extend Butler anyways? I haven't really heard about any other teams openly stating that they would give him an extension. So nothing really changes with this because the heat don't want Beal, if any teams at all even do.

And that's even if Beal would improve a trade somewhere. This Butler trade premise just needs to end so we can look at actual realistic possibilities!

[Calvin Klein]

I don't know why starter level players get so offended coming off the bench if it's to help the team win games. Kukoc and Ginobili did it for years to benefit their team and they were starter level players and both HOF players. suck it up Beal.

Most American players have huge egos and care more about their own image/brand. The culture for most foreign players is different, more team oriented.

[Slim Charless]

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But do other teams even legitimately want to extend Butler anyways? I haven't really heard about any other teams openly stating that they would give him an extension. So nothing really changes with this because the heat don't want Beal, if any teams at all even do.

And that's even if Beal would improve a trade somewhere. This Butler trade premise just needs to end so we can look at actual realistic possibilities!

This. If I'm another team, I only want him for the playoff push and to use up any last magic he might still have. There would be 0 interest in giving him a 100m deal in the summer.

Plus in order to get money from us in the summer he'll have to decline his player option, and we'd have to clear room to sign him.

Call his bluff.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

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But do other teams even legitimately want to extend Butler anyways? I haven't really heard about any other teams openly stating that they would give him an extension. So nothing really changes with this because the heat don't want Beal, if any teams at all even do.

And that's even if Beal would improve a trade somewhere. This Butler trade premise just needs to end so we can look at actual realistic possibilities!

Mat the Whale? Maybe better: Fat Mat. Or The Bag Man. Baggy Mat, Fat Cat, Mr. Bags, Big Mat, Big Stacks Matty, Mat Stacks, Mat the Cat...

I could go on forever, baby...

Can The Bag Man?

[BobbieL]

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But do other teams even legitimately want to extend Butler anyways? I haven't really heard about any other teams openly stating that they would give him an extension. So nothing really changes with this because the heat don't want Beal, if any teams at all even do.

And that's even if Beal would improve a trade somewhere. This Butler trade premise just needs to end so we can look at actual realistic possibilities!

This. If I'm another team, I only want him for the playoff push and to use up any last magic he might still have. There would be 0 interest in giving him a 100m deal in the summer.

Plus in order to get money from us in the summer he'll have to decline his player option, and we'd have to clear room to sign him.

Call his bluff.

Better yet - don't trade for him.

[bwgood77]

Fine, there's a huge gap between the 2 on that we can agree.

Look, just on basic math alone the Rockets have to get rid of Jalen Green if they take on Booker. Why dudes are willing to take nothing on the dollar is funny and sad. You can ask for more.

Obviously people want the best offer they can get which would start with something, but I think (hope) we wouldn't walk away from any deal where we get all of our picks back.

The only reason 4 picks were not included in the first place was because we thought they'd not be that good because we'd be some sort of juggernaut.

Number of firsts doesn't always matter, but what kind of firsts do. Anyone of those firsts probably far exceeds the value of any of their prospects outside of Sengun. But I imagine we'd get at least one prospect back anyway. I think they'd be fine if Green was the filler. I just thought someone said that wasn't possible due to some poison pill thing..not sure if that is right though.

If the trade happens in the summer, then Green's deal becomes normal at 33 per year. Still leaving them 20 million short. That's when you get prospects.

Sounds good to me. I seriously doubt we blow it up in the season but if we won the lottery or something (our pick) it might make Houston more stingy with the 25 pick. I don't know if they'd give up Cooper Flagg for Book.

[Slim Charless]

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But do other teams even legitimately want to extend Butler anyways? I haven't really heard about any other teams openly stating that they would give him an extension. So nothing really changes with this because the heat don't want Beal, if any teams at all even do.

And that's even if Beal would improve a trade somewhere. This Butler trade premise just needs to end so we can look at actual realistic possibilities!

This. If I'm another team, I only want him for the playoff push and to use up any last magic he might still have. There would be 0 interest in giving him a 100m deal in the summer.

Plus in order to get money from us in the summer he'll have to decline his player option, and we'd have to clear room to sign him.

Call his bluff.

Better yet - don't trade for him.

I'm fine if another team trades for him. That's what I was talking about:

Some other team trading for Butler.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

This. If I'm another team, I only want him for the playoff push and to use up any last magic he might still have. There would be 0 interest in giving him a 100m deal in the summer.

Plus in order to get money from us in the summer he'll have to decline his player option, and we'd have to clear room to sign him.

Call his bluff.

Better yet - don't trade for him.

I'm fine if another team trades for him. That's what I was talking about:

Some other team trading for Butler.

I bet Beal's agent is basically omnipresent right now.

[King4Day]

If true, this tells me KD is gone if we don't get a deal done.

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[Fo-Real]

If true, this tells me KD is gone if we don't get a deal done.

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Isn't that tampering?

[bwgood77]

Jimmy wants PHX because he knows we'll give him the bag. Rileys eyeing that golden lottery ticket. Everyone's hoping the whale pushes all in.

You mean 2031 pick? Pat Riley will be 80 in March. Arison is 75. I am guessing they hope to get an offer with players that can play with Herro and Bam now like the GS guys. It is curious to wonder what GS will do.

Curry is 36 and almost 37. But they probably also want to do right for them. But they do have some nice young talent too. However, is their young talent at near the level of other young talent in the west? Not really. They could say "hey, lets just trade Wiggins, Kuminga and our 25 first and then we can bottom out and get some really high draft picks in a couple of years, but give Steph what he needs now. A Steph/Dray/Butler trio seems like a better fit than ours especially considering they have some other decent pieces in there like Trayce Jackson Davis, Looney, Schroder, etc. They could defend fairly well but also have the offense.

Plus they can afford to give up something for him without totally sacrificing their future because I believe they have all their picks.

[Saberestar]

If true, this tells me KD is gone if we don't get a deal done.

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Isn't that tampering?

It isn't because Perkins is just an insider, not a current NBA player.

I like it. Two years is a short contract. The same amount of years that Beal has on his contract...but Butler is the superior player.

[sunskerr]

$60m a year for a dude averaging 17ppg you can't make this up. Unreal.