2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 3

[HeatIn5]

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If KD wants it so bad….. he gonna give us Book?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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The perks of playing with an elite playmaker I’m always talking about

[HeatIn5]

Yup, and it's not our job to help the Sun's trade Beal. As far as Jimmy goes, we can tell him that he's not getting traded to the Suns and better consider another team. Otherwise he can play off the bench, ten minutes a night, joylessly. He wants to make our lives miserable? Well screw with him. Who's going to extend him when he's averaging 3.2 ppg playing 10 minutes a night?

Screw him

I am getting to the same point you are on that screw Jimmy front.

When you trade a player, it comes with certain contract flexibility...right? Like the other team can go over cap to sign an extension?

It should be real easy for the Heat to take the high road, and try and get Jimmy somewhere he can maximize what is left of his earning potential.

If the Suns want him, and he wants the Suns....then that is on them to sell that to Miami.

I just do not see any down side to Miami, it would be very easy to explain to the common fan..."hey...we can't take back Beal's non-tradable contract and surround Bam and Tyler with the talent we want,"

Simple as that.

Maybe Miami needs to just come right out and say " Unless the Suns come up with a better offer, we are prepared to just ride out JB contract and let him hit Free agency so he can choose his next destination"

Let Jimmy deal with what that will do to his future earnings.

This all sound nice until you really think about it. Jimmy will just opt in and get 50+ mil from us next year. Thats not a good move for us. I dont have the answer but that would be close to worst case scenario because not only is it another year of this mess, we also play the tax and again nothing good can come from it PR wise. What star player is going to be like yeah I want to play for this team? Yeah I want to leave money on the table to come to a team like this?

And if he’s of the “suns or nobody” mindset…. He’s going to be sitting a long time. The ONLY way for the suns to get him is via trade.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Thunder need to just trade for KD and bring him back home tbh.

[Dmcdani6]

It would be wild if:

A) Jimmy leaves for FA and cant get 50/mil per year contract.

Or

B) he opts-in, after realizing he wont get another 50/mil per year contract.

Im assuming he opts out based off principle. What a weird situation the Heat are in.

[BBallFreak]

I am getting to the same point you are on that screw Jimmy front.

When you trade a player, it comes with certain contract flexibility...right? Like the other team can go over cap to sign an extension?

It should be real easy for the Heat to take the high road, and try and get Jimmy somewhere he can maximize what is left of his earning potential.

If the Suns want him, and he wants the Suns....then that is on them to sell that to Miami.

I just do not see any down side to Miami, it would be very easy to explain to the common fan..."hey...we can't take back Beal's non-tradable contract and surround Bam and Tyler with the talent we want,"

Simple as that.

Maybe Miami needs to just come right out and say " Unless the Suns come up with a better offer, we are prepared to just ride out JB contract and let him hit Free agency so he can choose his next destination"

Let Jimmy deal with what that will do to his future earnings.

This all sound nice until you really think about it. Jimmy will just opt in and get 50+ mil from us next year. Thats not a good move for us. I dont have the answer but that would be close to worst case scenario because not only is it another year of this mess, we also play the tax and again nothing good can come from it PR wise. What star player is going to be like yeah I want to play for this team? Yeah I want to leave money on the table to come to a team like this?

And if he’s of the “suns or nobody” mindset…. He’s going to be sitting a long time. The ONLY way for the suns to get him is via trade.

Correct. He won't get his money if they don't work with us. I see no need to do that if they can't give us value.

Send Jimmy home with pay if he won't play with heart. Next year, if they still can't come up with value and Jimmy opts in, cut him! Then he can play for the minimum

[Dmcdani6]

Can they trade him for expirings, and ppl will know hes just a rental? That used to be a thing back awhile ago, right?

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It would be wild if:

A) Jimmy leaves for FA and cant get 50/mil per year contract.

Or

B) he opts-in, after realizing he wont get another 50/mil per year contract.

Im assuming he opts out based off principle. What a weird situation the Heat are in.

Principles don't earn interest.

[oreon]

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Time for the Suns to shop Tyus Jones, Ryan Dunn, Grayson Allen and Royce O'Neale.

If we were to do a 3 team trade, we have to get Ryan Dunn as part of the deal. He's on the rookue deal for 2 mil for next 3 seasons and then TO for 5 mil. He's long, athletic and projects to be a good wing defender. We would need to fix his shooting though. But we only have one athletic wing defender, Highsmith and he's not even that athletic. Dunn would be a good young player we can develop. He shoots 30 % from 3, shooting would be the biggest thing we would need to fix. But at 2 mil, its no a brainer to get him

[oreon]

Can they trade him for expirings, and ppl will know hes just a rental? That used to be a thing back awhile ago, right?

With the new rules teams are not allowed to make players sit at home for no reason. So you do really want a malcontent Butler in your locker-room for the rest of the season. It wouldnt be worth the headache

[contract]

This all sound nice until you really think about it. Jimmy will just opt in and get 50+ mil from us next year. Thats not a good move for us. I dont have the answer but that would be close to worst case scenario because not only is it another year of this mess, we also play the tax and again nothing good can come from it PR wise. What star player is going to be like yeah I want to play for this team? Yeah I want to leave money on the table to come to a team like this?

And if he’s of the “suns or nobody” mindset…. He’s going to be sitting a long time. The ONLY way for the suns to get him is via trade.

Correct. He won't get his money if they don't work with us. I see no need to do that if they can't give us value.

Send Jimmy home with pay if he won't play with heart. Next year, if they still can't come up with value and Jimmy opts in, cut him! Then he can play for the minimum

He'd be playing for $52 million because that money is guaranteed, and we'd end up paying most of it.

Just trade him to Detroit for Tobias Harris and Tim jr and be done with it.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

If we don’t trade for Lonzo we need to sign him this summer, I’d guess he goes for the vet minimum

[BBallFreak]

It would be wild if:

A) Jimmy leaves for FA and cant get 50/mil per year contract.

Or

B) he opts-in, after realizing he wont get another 50/mil per year contract.

Im assuming he opts out based off principle. What a weird situation the Heat are in.

Principles don't earn interest.

He won't take option A because bird rights are the only way he can get his money.

We can, however, screw him over big time.

If he opts in and no one else steps up with value, we can cut him. We'll be on the hook for $52 million next year. It will be dead money. But Jimmy won't get his extension. Of the $121 million they're said to have waiting for him, he'll get that $52 million plus the vet minimum. That's it.

[AirP.]

Do deal for Beal.

No. We should have just given Jimmy his extra year. We can even trade Beal when he’s expiring.

I agree, we should have.

But we didn't, and Jimmy **** up.

I wonder if getttig Beal + 2031 suns pick + 2 or 3 Suns second round picks + Ryan Dunn + Tyus Jones is such a bad deal for us?

Sure Beal is WAY overpaid, but Ryan Dunn can defend, Tyus is a real PG.

We won't have cap space anyway next year, and the yea after that Beal would be an expiring we can trade with assets for a real star

The Suns are in the 2nd apron, they can only trade one player at a time, they can send money or assets with him, just not any other player, it's the same with any player they trade off that roster while in the 2nd apron. Milwaukee has considered Butler but they would have to get under the 2nd apron to be able to send more than one player in a trade and to do that it's basically sending Pat Connaughton into someone's cap space (Detroit) then they can trade multiple players to stack contracts to "try" to go after Butler if they still want to.

[AirP.]

It would be wild if:

A) Jimmy leaves for FA and cant get 50/mil per year contract.

Or

B) he opts-in, after realizing he wont get another 50/mil per year contract.

Im assuming he opts out based off principle. What a weird situation the Heat are in.

Principles don't earn interest.

He won't take option A because bird rights are the only way he can get his money.

We can, however, screw him over big time.

If he opts in and no one else steps up with value, we can cut him. We'll be on the hook for $52 million next year. It will be dead money. But Jimmy won't get his extension. Of the $121 million they're said to have waiting for him, he'll get that $52 million plus the vet minimum. That's it.

You're talking currently expected cap room. If a team wants Butler for basically cap space, it is possible a team trades for expiring contracts now to create that cap space this summer.

With the current expected situation, Brooklyn is the only team with cap space to give Butler the contract he wants, maybe they do sign him for what he feels comfortable with and is traded around December 15 to a team that will give Brooklyn assets and maybe a player or 2 they want to be part of their core moving forward.

Then again, it's possible Butler opts out of 52 million and can only get the MLE the next few years at around ~16-20 million each year (as the MLE goes up each year). If this were to happen, he'd probably go to a contender and strengthen that team greatly as a MLE signing (costing him ~35 million that first year).

It's roughly a ~35 million dollar gamble on Butler's part.

[MettaWorldPanda]

It would be wild if:

A) Jimmy leaves for FA and cant get 50/mil per year contract.

Or

B) he opts-in, after realizing he wont get another 50/mil per year contract.

Im assuming he opts out based off principle. What a weird situation the Heat are in.

Principles don't earn interest.

Up to this point i feel like his agent Bernie Lee is just a yes man. He only has two clients with the other Ben Simmons.

[Enso]

Miamis best bet is to trade him somewhere he doesn’t want and maybe get a bit less than expected but at least butler will have no choice but to finish out the year there. He can’t just not show up lol

[greg4012]

Miamis best bet is to trade him somewhere he doesn’t want and maybe get a bit less than expected but at least butler will have no choice but to finish out the year there. He can’t just not show up lol

Pretty much. It's just about clearing the cap space at this point and being set up to build this offseason moving forward. Any draft capital is gravy (still worth pursuing until it's clear it won't be there).

[MettaWorldPanda]

Miamis best bet is to trade him somewhere he doesn’t want and maybe get a bit less than expected but at least butler will have no choice but to finish out the year there. He can’t just not show up lol

He’ll show up but still can be a pain in the ass.

[AirP.]

It would be wild if:

A) Jimmy leaves for FA and cant get 50/mil per year contract.

Or

B) he opts-in, after realizing he wont get another 50/mil per year contract.

Im assuming he opts out based off principle. What a weird situation the Heat are in.

Principles don't earn interest.

Up to this point i feel like his agent Bernie Lee is just a yes man. He only has two clients with the other Ben Simmons.

I think Butler and Simmons both have put their agent in some really bad situations, but that's why he gets paid.

I think everything changed for Butler with the shut up comment. If anyone had watched the Butler interview with JJ Redick (I'm sure Riley did) they'd know it only took one overheard statement to make Butler let it be known he wasn't resigning with the 76ers which is why they picked negotiating with Harris vs Butler. It's why I keep saying, Riley knew exactly what he was doing when he told Butler through the media to shut his mouth, Butler wasn't staying after that.

Just go to 8:18 and you'll hear it. After knowing a player decided not to resign with another team because of this, of course he's going to have issues with Riley telling him to shut his mouth. I'd bet if that one line wasn't said this whole situation would be different.

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