2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 3

[MiamiLoyal926]

Beal is the obvious contract/player they would like to unload… for the same reasons we would not want him in a trade.

With that being said… If they really want Butler that bad though, Booker makes 0.5 mil more than Butler. Just saying… how bad do they really want Butler?

We ain’t dumb enough to take back their poopoo platter. So either put up or shut up.

[greg4012]

Principles don't earn interest.

He won't take option A because bird rights are the only way he can get his money.

We can, however, screw him over big time.

If he opts in and no one else steps up with value, we can cut him. We'll be on the hook for $52 million next year. It will be dead money. But Jimmy won't get his extension. Of the $121 million they're said to have waiting for him, he'll get that $52 million plus the vet minimum. That's it.

You're talking currently expected cap room. If a team wants Butler for basically cap space, it is possible a team trades for expiring contracts now to create that cap space this summer.

With the current expected situation, Brooklyn is the only team with cap space to give Butler the contract he wants, maybe they do sign him for what he feels comfortable with and is traded around December 15 to a team that will give Brooklyn assets and maybe a player or 2 they want to be part of their core moving forward.

Then again, it's possible Butler opts out of 52 million and can only get the MLE the next few years at around ~16-20 million each year (as the MLE goes up each year). If this were to happen, he'd probably go to a contender and strengthen that team greatly as a MLE signing (costing him ~35 million that first year).

It's roughly a ~35 million dollar gamble on Butler's part.

A gamble he probably wouldn't have to take if he accepted going to Memphis to play alongside the likes of Ja Morant, JJJ, etc. and legitimately compete for a title. He'd have the option to play out the season, compete at a high level, pick his spots at his preferred 21-25% usage and feel out if he wants to go into FA (or sign and trade) this offseason or opt into his final year, compete to contend again, and explore contract options (or extension) then. In the latter scenario, I'd bet the MLE after getting $52M in 2026 would be his baseline.

It's really a shame.

[BBallFreak]

Principles don't earn interest.

He won't take option A because bird rights are the only way he can get his money.

We can, however, screw him over big time.

If he opts in and no one else steps up with value, we can cut him. We'll be on the hook for $52 million next year. It will be dead money. But Jimmy won't get his extension. Of the $121 million they're said to have waiting for him, he'll get that $52 million plus the vet minimum. That's it.

You're talking currently expected cap room. If a team wants Butler for basically cap space, it is possible a team trades for expiring contracts now to create that cap space this summer.

With the current expected situation, Brooklyn is the only team with cap space to give Butler the contract he wants, maybe they do sign him for what he feels comfortable with and is traded around December 15 to a team that will give Brooklyn assets and maybe a player or 2 they want to be part of their core moving forward.

Then again, it's possible Butler opts out of 52 million and can only get the MLE the next few years at around ~16-20 million each year (as the MLE goes up each year). If this were to happen, he'd probably go to a contender and strengthen that team greatly as a MLE signing (costing him ~35 million that first year).

It's roughly a ~35 million dollar gamble on Butler's part.

Incorrect. Contenders tend to be over the first apron, at least.

[MiamiLoyal926]

Principles don't earn interest.

Up to this point i feel like his agent Bernie Lee is just a yes man. He only has two clients with the other Ben Simmons.

I think Butler and Simmons both have put their agent in some really bad situations, but that's why he gets paid.

I think everything changed for Butler with the shut up comment. If anyone had watched the Butler interview with JJ Redick (I'm sure Riley did) they'd know it only took one overheard statement to make Butler let it be known he wasn't resigning with the 76ers which is why they picked negotiating with Harris vs Butler. It's why I keep saying, Riley knew exactly what he was doing when he told Butler through the media to shut his mouth, Butler wasn't staying after that.

Ironic how he could run his mouth in public and talk crap in front of a mic about other teams, players, and GMs, but dude can’t take it himself.

I am over this tip-toeing around his temperament and ego, especially when he isn’t consistently showing up for the team the way the top player should. He once upon a time elevated the play of his teammates and inflated their values… but as of late, he is a deflator. He is not worth the money he is seeking. He and the Suns are made for each other at this junction… too bad we ain’t facilitating it unless it benefits us.

[contract]

It would be wild if:

A) Jimmy leaves for FA and cant get 50/mil per year contract.

Or

B) he opts-in, after realizing he wont get another 50/mil per year contract.

Im assuming he opts out based off principle. What a weird situation the Heat are in.

Principles don't earn interest.

He won't take option A because bird rights are the only way he can get his money.

We can, however, screw him over big time.

If he opts in and no one else steps up with value, we can cut him. We'll be on the hook for $52 million next year. It will be dead money. But Jimmy won't get his extension. Of the $121 million they're said to have waiting for him, he'll get that $52 million plus the vet minimum. That's it.

The goal isn't to screw Jimmy, it's to unscrew us.

[contract]

It would be wild if:

A) Jimmy leaves for FA and cant get 50/mil per year contract.

Or

B) he opts-in, after realizing he wont get another 50/mil per year contract.

Im assuming he opts out based off principle. What a weird situation the Heat are in.

Principles don't earn interest.

Up to this point i feel like his agent Bernie Lee is just a yes man. He only has two clients with the other Ben Simmons.

And in ~ 2 seasons he won't have any from the looks of things.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

We’re not getting Booker, that defeats the purpose of getting Jimmy lol

[Hoops3355]

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Do deal for Beal.

No. We should have just given Jimmy his extra year. We can’t even trade Beal when he’s expiring.

No Beal and No Jimmy. 2026 is the legit the best setup salary cap wise to add someone. IDGAF about a 38 year Jimmy Bulter. Just watching the squad and the young guys it's not even that crazy to see Jovic and Ware getting better after 2 seasons of full run I'm here for this.

I can't get over how bad Butler's Agent screwed this up.

[greg4012]

Principles don't earn interest.

He won't take option A because bird rights are the only way he can get his money.

We can, however, screw him over big time.

If he opts in and no one else steps up with value, we can cut him. We'll be on the hook for $52 million next year. It will be dead money. But Jimmy won't get his extension. Of the $121 million they're said to have waiting for him, he'll get that $52 million plus the vet minimum. That's it.

The goal isn't to screw Jimmy, it's to unscrew us.

Agreed--making clear how he can get f**ked should provide some ammunition in unscrewing us. Worst case it's the position Miami is in anyways.

[greg4012]

Do deal for Beal.

No. We should have just given Jimmy his extra year. We can’t even trade Beal when he’s expiring.

No Beal and No Jimmy. 2026 is the legit the best setup salary cap wise to add someone. IDGAF about a 38 year Jimmy Bulter. Just watching the squad and the young guys it's not even that crazy to see Jovic and Ware getting better after 2 seasons of full run I'm here for this.

I can't get over how bad Butler's Agent screwed this up.

In 2 seasons of development, Miami can have the best frontcourt rotation in the NBA. I know many hate this optimistic perspective. We're already seeing glimpses with the Ware-Jovic bench synergy.

[MiamiLoyal926]

We’re not getting Booker, that defeats the purpose of getting Jimmy lol

Obviously, which begs the question of what do the Suns really think they can offer that would make this even possible? It feels like a pipe dream at the moment for the Suns and Butler… and if their play is for Butler to make it ugly to force it into existence, then my follow up is where is the commissioner now? He steps in when Dame is asking nicely to play for us, but disappears when Butler is burning us on the way out.

[Enso]

Miamis best bet is to trade him somewhere he doesn’t want and maybe get a bit less than expected but at least butler will have no choice but to finish out the year there. He can’t just not show up lol

He’ll show up but still can be a pain in the ass.

Let him ruin his legacy

[AirP.]

Up to this point i feel like his agent Bernie Lee is just a yes man. He only has two clients with the other Ben Simmons.

I think Butler and Simmons both have put their agent in some really bad situations, but that's why he gets paid.

I think everything changed for Butler with the shut up comment. If anyone had watched the Butler interview with JJ Redick (I'm sure Riley did) they'd know it only took one overheard statement to make Butler let it be known he wasn't resigning with the 76ers which is why they picked negotiating with Harris vs Butler. It's why I keep saying, Riley knew exactly what he was doing when he told Butler through the media to shut his mouth, Butler wasn't staying after that.

Ironic how he could run his mouth in public and talk crap in front of a mic about other teams, players, and GMs, but dude can’t take it himself.

I am over this tip-toeing around his temperament and ego, especially when he isn’t consistently showing up for the team the way the top player should. He once upon a time elevated the play of his teammates and inflated their values… but as of late, he is a deflator. He is not worth the money he is seeking. He and the Suns are made for each other at this junction… too bad we ain’t facilitating it unless it benefits us.

Interesting you say that after I just watched a Dan La Batard show where Dan mentioned being physically assaulted (which he was still in pain 3 days later) by one of the people Riley brought from NY to send an what Dan said was an obvious message of not to go into a certain subject with Riley. It's at the 11 minute mark of the video below. But I'm sure that's acceptable since he was part of the Miami Heat but if a player speaks up it's an issue. Butler not playing hard, bench him and then fine him, I have 0 issues with that, but that's not what Miami did.

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At this point right now, Butler has said he's not signing an extension, behind the scenes it's reported that it goes for every team but Phoenix. He's said he doesn't play with "joy" for Miami, indicating it being connected to his current role. Now the lack of effort in specific games, that's an issue and he should have been pulled and/or fined. Everything else he's really not done anything bad.

Basically, everyone is mad at rumors which may all be correct, but those were done in private where they should be happening at, much like Riley telling Butler to shut up. It should have been done in private and maybe in person.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

We’re not getting Booker, that defeats the purpose of getting Jimmy lol

Obviously, which begs the question of what do the Suns really think they can offer that would make this even possible? It feels like a pipe dream at the moment for the Suns and Butler… and if their play is for Butler to make it ugly to force it into existence, then my follow up is where is the commissioner now? He steps in when Dame is asking nicely to play for us, but disappears when Butler is burning us on the way out.

Anti-Heat agenda is real brother, it’s unfortunate

[MettaWorldPanda]

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

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What do we have to give up to trade for Jimmy?

[MettaWorldPanda]

Miamis best bet is to trade him somewhere he doesn’t want and maybe get a bit less than expected but at least butler will have no choice but to finish out the year there. He can’t just not show up lol

He’ll show up but still can be a pain in the ass.

Let him ruin his legacy

He’s extremely hard headed. Front office has misjudged his character up to this point.

[BBallFreak]

Principles don't earn interest.

He won't take option A because bird rights are the only way he can get his money.

We can, however, screw him over big time.

If he opts in and no one else steps up with value, we can cut him. We'll be on the hook for $52 million next year. It will be dead money. But Jimmy won't get his extension. Of the $121 million they're said to have waiting for him, he'll get that $52 million plus the vet minimum. That's it.

The goal isn't to screw Jimmy, it's to unscrew us.

Of course, but trading for Beal is not going to unscrew us. It's going to screw us harder. So to make this work for us we have to hope that Phoenix can come up with a number of assets that will both satisfy the team taking Beal (something he has to agree to) and satisfy us. It's a tall order. So Jimmy has to either compromise and come up with another team or we do what we've got to do to get ourselves out of this position.

If no one but Phoenix will trade for him, and we can't play him, what else are we supposed to do?

[AirP.]

We’re not getting Booker, that defeats the purpose of getting Jimmy lol

Obviously, which begs the question of what do the Suns really think they can offer that would make this even possible? It feels like a pipe dream at the moment for the Suns and Butler… and if their play is for Butler to make it ugly to force it into existence, then my follow up is where is the commissioner now? He steps in when Dame is asking nicely to play for us, but disappears when Butler is burning us on the way out.

1. The agent confirmed talking to other teams (had he not confirmed that it wouldn't have been an issue that the NBA could do anything about). The Heat centric podcasts kept saying he was dumb for confirming this (yet it's fine when it's to Miami's benefit).
2. Heat fans had no issues with Lillard or Butler doing this when it benefited them, which I will point at once again, Riley knew this situation would happen with Butler when he told him to shut his mouth to him through the media because of why Butler decided not to go back to Philly was somewhat the same thing but not public.

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Lillard's agent, Aaron Goodwin, made public comments suggesting that he had warned teams that his client only wanted to play in Miami.

That led to the NBA issuing a memo to all 30 teams threatening discipline if either Lillard or Goodwin contacted teams privately or publicly to suggest that Lillard would not "fully perform the services called for under his player contract in the event of a trade." The trade chatter died down a bit after that, but on Thursday we finally heard from Lillard himself about the status of his demand.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/damian-lillard-confirms-trade-request-to-heat-but-prefers-not-to-speak-on-the-trail-blazers/

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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