Woj: Deni to Portland for 14th pick and Brogdon

[DCZards]

Continuing to ball out with a 19 points, 14 rebound, 4 assists, 3 steal, and +6 effort in a win in MIL with all MIL key players playing. He did have 7 TOs (this has been his one weakness over two of the past 3 games), but was a swiss army knife on defense guarding every position out there and doing it really well.

He's not letting the pace up, clearly is locked in there after the rough start as his season averages continue to tick up after every game.

Why did we trade a breaking out 23 year-old that plays really well on both ends with a cupboard so bare again?

The cupboard is bare part is probably the main reason the Zards FO valued Bub, Brogdon and other assets over Deni.

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Continuing to ball out with a 19 points, 14 rebound, 4 assists, 3 steal, and +6 effort in a win in MIL with all MIL key players playing. He did have 7 TOs (this has been his one weakness over two of the past 3 games), but was a swiss army knife on defense guarding every position out there and doing it really well.

He's not letting the pace up, clearly is locked in there after the rough start as his season averages continue to tick up after every game.

Why did we trade a breaking out 23 year-old that plays really well on both ends with a cupboard so bare again?

Despite the horrific 11-game slump to start the season, Deni is now pretty much back up to his 2023-24 per-minute numbers across the board. Over the past 23 games, he has been a monster, averaging 20.0 points, 8.1 rebounds and 4.2 assists per 36 on a TS% of .638.

On the season so far (including the slump start), Deni's numbers are every bit as good as they were last season.

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OTOH, deni's numbers this season aren't anywhere near as good as Justin Champaigne's numbers. So there's that.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

Continuing to ball out with a 19 points, 14 rebound, 4 assists, 3 steal, and +6 effort in a win in MIL with all MIL key players playing. He did have 7 TOs (this has been his one weakness over two of the past 3 games), but was a swiss army knife on defense guarding every position out there and doing it really well.

He's not letting the pace up, clearly is locked in there after the rough start as his season averages continue to tick up after every game.

Why did we trade a breaking out 23 year-old that plays really well on both ends with a cupboard so bare again?

The cupboard is bare part is probably the main reason the Zards FO valued Bub, Brogdon and other assets over Deni.

Deni is the much better asset though than this loose change we got for, plain and simple. I get some of you like Bub, but you keep Deni over the chance of getting him, and other assets that came along. I'm not certain, but have strong confidence this opinion is going to age well.

Fits a rebuild timeline, check. Is good already, check. Doesn't have any meaningful holes in his game, check. Still improving, check. Won't be played off the court when team eventually makes playoffs, check. Plays the right way, check. Has improved on weaknesses, check. Plays both ends of the court, check. These players are not a dime a dozen like some want to make it out to be.

In the words of Teddy KGB, "Check, check, check!

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

OTOH, deni's numbers this season aren't anywhere near as good as Justin Champaigne's numbers. So there's that.

I love when you make silly comparisons like this, shows that you just look at box scores and nothing else.

[DCZards]

The cupboard is bare part is probably the main reason the Zards FO valued Bub, Brogdon and other assets over Deni.

Deni is the much better asset though than this loose change we got for, plain and simple. I get some of you like Bub, but you keep Deni over the chance of getting him, and other assets that came along. I'm not certain, but have strong confidence this opinion is going to age well.

Well, I’m glad you admitted that you’re “not certain,” because, despite the fact that you’ve already formed a strong opinion about the trade, the verdict is really still out.

It will likely be at least 2-3 years before we know for sure whether it was a good trade.

This thread will probably still be around to discuss it.

[closg00]

Continuing to ball out with a 19 points, 14 rebound, 4 assists, 3 steal, and +6 effort in a win in MIL with all MIL key players playing. He did have 7 TOs (this has been his one weakness over two of the past 3 games), but was a swiss army knife on defense guarding every position out there and doing it really well.

He's not letting the pace up, clearly is locked in there after the rough start as his season averages continue to tick up after every game.

Why did we trade a breaking out 23 year-old that plays really well on both ends with a cupboard so bare again?

The cupboard is bare part is probably the main reason the Zards FO valued Bub, Brogdon and other assets over Deni.

Deni is the much better asset though than this loose change we got for, plain and simple. I get some of you like Bub, but you keep Deni over the chance of getting him, and other assets that came along. I'm not certain, but have strong confidence this opinion is going to age well.

Fits a rebuild timeline, check. Is good already, check. Doesn't have any meaningful holes in his game, check. Still improving, check. Won't be played off the court when team eventually makes playoffs, check. Plays the right way, check. Has improved on weaknesses, check. Plays both ends of the court, check. These players are not a dime a dozen like some want to make it out to be.

In the words of Teddy KGB, "Check, check, check!

Portland agrees with you basically, they are making Deni part of their rebuilding timeline, we punted, time will tell which team was correct.

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OTOH, deni's numbers this season aren't anywhere near as good as Justin Champaigne's numbers. So there's that.

I love when you make silly comparisons like this, shows that you just look at box scores and nothing else.

You need to work on your sense of humor, old buddy!

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The cupboard is bare part is probably the main reason the Zards FO valued Bub, Brogdon and other assets over Deni.

Deni is the much better asset though than this loose change we got for, plain and simple. I get some of you like Bub, but you keep Deni over the chance of getting him, and other assets that came along. I'm not certain, but have strong confidence this opinion is going to age well.

Well, I’m glad you admitted that you’re “not certain,” because, despite the fact that you’ve already formed a strong opinion about the trade, the verdict is really still out.

It will likely be at least 2-3 years before we know for sure whether it was a good trade.

This thread will probably still be around to discuss it.

At least one thing has been established: we now know that CntOutSmrtCrazy thinks he's smarter than Will Dawkins.

& his evidence is that he's never been wrong about anything.

Tell me, now, how can anyone argue with that?

[closg00]

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Yeah Wizards trade a player who averages over 30PRA cause they easily fall off the lottery draft tree!

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

Deni is the much better asset though than this loose change we got for, plain and simple. I get some of you like Bub, but you keep Deni over the chance of getting him, and other assets that came along. I'm not certain, but have strong confidence this opinion is going to age well.

Well, I’m glad you admitted that you’re “not certain,” because, despite the fact that you’ve already formed a strong opinion about the trade, the verdict is really still out.

It will likely be at least 2-3 years before we know for sure whether it was a good trade.

This thread will probably still be around to discuss it.

At least one thing has been established: we now know that CntOutSmrtCrazy thinks he's smarter than Will Dawkins.

& his evidence is that he's never been wrong about anything.

Tell me, now, how can anyone argue with that?

Fans have been criticizing people who run sports organization since probably the beginning of time, and have often been proven right. You think the NBA isn't immune to neopotism like much of the rest of corporate America, let me laugh now. But for what it is worth, I think Dawkins was an idiot for moving Deni. Read to me like it was a petty move that he didn't want a Shep guy outshining one of his guys, or that he didn't neatly fit into what seems to be Dawkins typical player with a long wingspan, so made a trade for "assets" because "change" and "strategy" and you took hook, line, and sinker.

Can't wait for those second round picks to convey or to trade them 4 of them to move up a spot or for you to give another sermon on the mount about why second round picks are so valuable (in coming insults coming to nate because he "once said people buy second round picks").

Gnarly maneuvering, Dawkins. All praise.

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Well, I’m glad you admitted that you’re “not certain,” because, despite the fact that you’ve already formed a strong opinion about the trade, the verdict is really still out.

It will likely be at least 2-3 years before we know for sure whether it was a good trade.

This thread will probably still be around to discuss it.

At least one thing has been established: we now know that CntOutSmrtCrazy thinks he's smarter than Will Dawkins.

& his evidence is that he's never been wrong about anything.

Tell me, now, how can anyone argue with that?

Fans have been criticizing people who run sports organization since probably the beginning of time, and have often been proven right....

Absolutely -- you're right. My remark was snarky, & I take it back. Sorry about that!

...I think Dawkins was an idiot for moving Deni. Read to me like it was a petty move that he didn't want a Shep guy outshining one of his guys...

Now that is really a reach!

Can't wait for those second round picks to convey or to trade them 4 of them to move up a spot or for you to give another sermon on the mount about why second round picks are so valuable (in coming insults coming to nate because he "once said people buy second round picks")....

Mostly I agree with nate. Why? Because he is smart, knowledgeable, thoughtful & extremely dedicated. So he's usually right.

Sometimes I disagree with nate. Why? Because in those instances I think he's not right. It happens, to him as to me as to all of us -- as I'm sure he would agree.

For that matter, I often agree with you. Even in this case -- I think deni is an excellent player! I'm glad to see him doing well -- for that matter, he was my choice to pick at 9 in 2020.

But any player, no matter how good, can be traded if the deal is right. & that's really the only place we disagree.

I think the deal was right. Bub, plus another R1 pick, plus a pair of R2 picks, plus Malcolm Brogdon seems like a good return for Deni Avdija. You don't agree.

Fair enough: obviously, time will tell. In the meantime, I imagine we'll both be rooting for Bub, & we'll both be rooting for Deni. & I'm sure we both hope we'll get a solid return for Brogdon.

Peace!

[dckingsfan]

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Kind of makes the point about how bad the Poopoo, Kuz and Kispert signings have been. But that should be balanced against the youngsters... Good with the bad.

[LyricalRico]

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Kind of makes the point about how bad the Poopoo, Kuz and Kispert signings have been. But that should be balanced against the youngsters... Good with the bad.

Yeah, part of my thinking at the time of the Deni trade was that it was going to be the first of several moves to extract whatever value we could from existing assets. But if it ends up just being the Deni trade in a vacuum because they end up holding onto everyone else, I think that changes the evaluation (at least for me).

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

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It blows my mind that another team gave up a player like Deni with that level of potential he could easily be one of the best SF's in the league at some point.

The type of guy that you wouldn't bat an eye if he made an all-star game once or twice in his career. He also isn't even in his prime yet the guy is only 24 years old and he has come to the Blazers and in a short time showed how effective he is.

Scored 26 last night just going through the motions.

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Yeah, we made a big mistake. Oops.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

Yeah, we made a big mistake. Oops.

Now back to Twitter for your next set of thoughts. Hurry along, we eagerly anticipate.

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[TheBlackCzar]

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Kind of makes the point about how bad the Poopoo, Kuz and Kispert signings have been. But that should be balanced against the youngsters... Good with the bad.

Ya'll keep calling Poole, PooPoo when his SEASON AVG's are still better than Deni's lil 6 game sample size...... Ya'll be tripping....


This trade wasn't about Bub vs Deni... This trade was to make room for Bilal.... Bilal is going to be better than Deni as he's already shown in his short season and a half... So when you want to make a true comparison, look at Bilal vs Deni, not Deni vs Bub (even though Bub has played better as a rookie than Deni did)...... This wasn't a Chris Webber bad trade.... You don't have to like it but it's not that bad when compared to the Webber trade, or the Ben Wallace trade, or the Rip Hamilton trade.... It could be worse, I'm over it as it was month's ago and can't be reversed so we gotta keep moving forward... They wanted to tank, and the cost was a young player.... We're trading whatever his production is for a chance at a better player each of the next 2-3years as a result of not being very good.....


Now the process gotta play itself out... So far I think they are doing alright.... I didn't expect them to be anything than a bottom dweller this year or last, with or without Deni..... Deni wasn't going to push the needle that far, since with him we only won 15 games last year..... I mean we sucked and still suck...... Finishing last or next to last aint really that big of a difference...... We're trying to hit home runs not singles or doubles so that's how we're proceeding....