Beal, Nurkic, Grayson to Magic (with help from Bulls)

Toine85 · Post #1 » by **Toine85** » Thu Jan 9, 2025 4:13 am

Needs to be broken down into 3 separate trades since PHX cannot aggregate.

First, Suns will need to waive Damion Lee to create the roster space in the trades below.

Trade 1:
Suns trade Jusuf Nurkic and receive Jevon Carter, Moe Wagner (immediately waived).
Magic trade Moe Wagner, Gary Harris and receive Jusuf Nurkic.
Bulls trade Jevon Carter and receive Gary Harris.

Why for Suns? Apparently the locker room is in shambles and Nurkic may be one of the reasons. Giving Magic value to complete the full trade below.
Why for Magic? Moe is out for season, so it ends up being Nurkic for Gary Harris. (Suns giving some value to Magic here)
Why for Bulls? Jevon has a player option for next year while Gary Harris has a team option that can be declined.

Trade 2:
Suns trade Grayson Allen and receive Cole Anthony, Cory Joseph (via minimum exception and also waived immediately) from Magic.

Why for Suns? Again, providing value to Orlando for the complete trade.
Why for the Magic? Magic is the worst 3-pt shooting team in the league and Grayson Allen was the best 3-pt shooter by percentage last year.

Trade 3:
Suns trade Bradley Beal, unprotected 2031 1st and receive Jonathan Isaac, KCP from the Magic.

Why for the Suns? Get out from under Beal’s hefty contract. Breakdown Beal into two better fitting pieces for their roster and/or easier to trade contracts. Brad may accept a trade to Orlando (close to his old Florida stomping grounds, contending team, and no state taxes to keep more of his money).
Why for the Magic? They seem to be legitimate and upgrading from KCP may push them into another tier.

End result for Suns depth chart:
Starters - T. Jones/Booker/Durant/R. O’Neale/J. Isaac
Bench - C. Anthony/KCP/Okogie/Dunn/Plumlee
Rest - Monte Morris/Jevon Carter/Oso Ighodaro/Bol Bol

End result for Magic depth chart:
Starters - Suggs/Beal/F. Wagner/Paolo/Goga
Bench - A. Black/G. Allen/T. Da Silva/WCJ/Nurkic
Rest - J. Howard/C. Houstan/two minimum FA signings (Biyombo, Fultz?)

giberish · Post #2 » by **giberish** » Thu Jan 9, 2025 4:27 am

That still looks TERRIBLE for Orlando. Beal causes major payroll issues next year and especially in 2 years. if WCJ gets healthy then Nurk is an expensive 3rd string center (and on the books for at least one more year, correct?)

Toine85 · Post #3 » by **Toine85** » Thu Jan 9, 2025 5:12 am

giberish wrote:That still looks TERRIBLE for Orlando. Beal causes major payroll issues next year and especially in 2 years. if WCJ gets healthy then Nurk is an expensive 3rd string center (and on the books for at least one more year, correct?)

WCJ has seemed better suited for PF even in his Bulls days. His best statistical year was as a PF in the 2021-2022 season. Also, Nurk’s contract ends after next season.

With or without Beal, the Magic will most likely be in the 2nd apron next year due to Suggs and Franz’s contracts ballooning and in 2026 because of Paolo’s eventual extension. 2027 (when Beal expires) is when they can reset a bit and perhaps decide how to build around the 5 players under contract (Paolo, WCJ, Suggs, Wagner, Da Silva) making about $150-160m plus another $19-20m if Grayson opts in (not much more than J. Isaac would be making) and whoever they draft on their rookie deals. By then, the 2nd apron may be a lot higher than today due to the league’s new TV deal, so they may not have to worry about going into the salary cap danger zone of getting their picks moved to the end of the 1st round due to being above the 2nd apron 3 out of 5 years.

JT3000 · Post #4 » by **JT3000** » Thu Jan 9, 2025 5:42 pm

Toine85 wrote:Why for Magic? Moe is out for season, so it ends up being Nurkic for Gary Harris. (Suns giving some value to Magic here)

That's... not how that works. Moe is not an expiring contract, he was the Magic's best bench player this season. And the Suns can keep Beal's contract, thanks.

Myth · Post #5 » by **Myth** » Thu Jan 9, 2025 7:41 pm

This probably needs an overall in/out to make it readable. So Magic overall are trading Mo Wagner, Gary Harris, Cole Anthony, Corey Joseph, Jonathan Isaac, KCP for Beal, Nurkic, Grayson, 2031 1st. I don’t like this for Magic’s depth and without looking I assume it is worse contract wise. This feels like a lot hinges on the 2031 1st panning out, but the Magic are trying to build a winning team now. I think this makes them quite a bit worse defensively, which I’ve been told defense is a big priority to the construction of the Magic.

wolves_89 · Post #6 » by **wolves_89** » Thu Jan 9, 2025 7:47 pm

It's going to cost the Suns a lot more to move Beal and the $110M he's owed after this season.

ChettheJet · Post #7 » by **ChettheJet** » Thu Jan 9, 2025 10:04 pm

That's all the Bulls have to do? Sure, if you have more ways for the Bulls to save big money like they went to Menards just call.

OutsidetheNBA · Post #8 » by **OutsidetheNBA** » Thu Jan 9, 2025 10:10 pm

JT3000 wrote:
Toine85 wrote:Why for Magic? Moe is out for season, so it ends up being Nurkic for Gary Harris. (Suns giving some value to Magic here)

That's... not how that works. Moe is not an expiring contract, he was the Magic's best bench player this season. And the Suns can keep Beal's contract, thanks.

Yes.

Also, Moe happens to be Franz's brother. The Magic will not ship off their superstar's brother right after he begins rehab in order to bring in an overpaid center for is a terrible fit with Paolo.

tiderulz · Post #9 » by **tiderulz** » Fri Jan 10, 2025 12:46 am

Toine85 wrote:
giberish wrote:That still looks TERRIBLE for Orlando. Beal causes major payroll issues next year and especially in 2 years. if WCJ gets healthy then Nurk is an expensive 3rd string center (and on the books for at least one more year, correct?)

WCJ has seemed better suited for PF even in his Bulls days. His best statistical year was as a PF in the 2021-2022 season. Also, Nurk’s contract ends after next season.

With or without Beal, the Magic will most likely be in the 2nd apron next year due to Suggs and Franz’s contracts ballooning and in 2026 because of Paolo’s eventual extension. 2027 (when Beal expires) is when they can reset a bit and perhaps decide how to build around the 5 players under contract (Paolo, WCJ, Suggs, Wagner, Da Silva) making about $150-160m plus another $19-20m if Grayson opts in (not much more than J. Isaac would be making) and whoever they draft on their rookie deals. By then, the 2nd apron may be a lot higher than today due to the league’s new TV deal, so they may not have to worry about going into the salary cap danger zone of getting their picks moved to the end of the 1st round due to being above the 2nd apron 3 out of 5 years.

Orlando has Paolo at PF and now Tristan da Silva. but this whole trade is a no-go. Orlando isnt saving PHX from Beal.

Post #10 » by **DaVoiceMaster** » Fri Jan 10, 2025 7:42 am

No chance Orlando does this. Way to expensive taking on Beals contract. If the need shooting, they can have Simons for a whole lot less than this.

BigGargamel · Post #11 » by **BigGargamel** » Fri Jan 10, 2025 8:25 am

The Magic are on the right track. I'd absolutely hate for them to blow it by saddling themselves with Beal's contract. Why do that?

daoneandonly · Post #12 » by **daoneandonly** » Fri Jan 10, 2025 12:45 pm

Really bad for Orl. They are a promising team who got a bad hand with injuries, they have no reaosn for such drastic trades to bail PHX out

Magicman125 · Post #13 » by **Magicman125** » Fri Jan 10, 2025 4:34 pm

I'd only want Grayson Allen out of those 3 players. Would give up Cole and 2 2nds plus any filler salary needed.

Trillen · Post #14 » by **Trillen** » Sat Jan 11, 2025 5:49 pm

Yeah, I think I'm more than happy to work something out along the lines of Trade #2, but the rest I don't think the Magic ever go near.