Thibs needs to go

[NYKat]

Mikal Bridges and Josh Hart are numbers 1&2 in mpg this game and we have 3 players in the top 10 in MPG.

Thibs is going to run them into the ground again, and we’ll be gassed/injured by the playoffs, mark it.

[Wildcat]

We're on the road to matchup with the Celtics in the second round and he will be out coached by Mazzulla. They will come out with Jrue on KAT and KP or Horford on Hart and will stifle our offense while we continuously give up threes because he refuses to switch and has KAT in a drop.

We all know this is going to happen.

There's not too many games where Thibs isn't outcoached, and I mean besides minutes allocation.

His teams win because they are drilled/prepared and generally win the turnover battle that the other less talented team generally inflicts on itself.

He gets outcoached in game regularly

My problem with him other than minutes has always been that what he does works for the regular season, but in the playoffs everyone else ramps up their minutes his advantage goes out the window. It's no different than Mike _'Antoni teams playing at a fast pace and his teams being reliant on that while playoff basketball is played at a slow pace. He had no other way for his teams to play and adjust to.

That also shows up in Thibs playoff record, he has one of the largest drop offs from regular season to playoffs in NBA history. People just refuse to look at his history as a coach, all of his short comings have remained the same and the way his teams lose/fall apart hasn't changed in 15 years. But this time, yes this time will be different.

Not defending Thibs here, but I think the argument can be made that the Knicks were probably more playoff ready than most teams because of the minutes during the season. It only seemed to become an issue when we started losing guys (whether it's because increased minutes or not, is not another topic), but thinks like Robinson being taken out by Joel doesn't seem like is minute related. Depending on how you feel about it, OG pulling his hamstring in the playoffs could be Thibs related or not. He was averaging about 40 MPG, but it's the playoffs, so if you're going to average high minutes, wouldn't it be the playoffs?

Again, not defending Thibs because I think he's been wildly inconsistent this year.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

There's not too many games where Thibs isn't outcoached, and I mean besides minutes allocation.

His teams win because they are drilled/prepared and generally win the turnover battle that the other less talented team generally inflicts on itself.

He gets outcoached in game regularly

My problem with him other than minutes has always been that what he does works for the regular season, but in the playoffs everyone else ramps up their minutes his advantage goes out the window. It's no different than Mike _'Antoni teams playing at a fast pace and his teams being reliant on that while playoff basketball is played at a slow pace. He had no other way for his teams to play and adjust to.

That also shows up in Thibs playoff record, he has one of the largest drop offs from regular season to playoffs in NBA history. People just refuse to look at his history as a coach, all of his short comings have remained the same and the way his teams lose/fall apart hasn't changed in 15 years. But this time, yes this time will be different.

Not defending Thibs here, but I think the argument can be made that the Knicks were probably more playoff ready than most teams because of the minutes during the season. It only seemed to become an issue when we started losing guys (whether it's because increased minutes or not, is not another topic), but thinks like Robinson being taken out by Joel doesn't seem like is minute related. Depending on how you feel about it, OG pulling his hamstring in the playoffs could be Thibs related or not. He was averaging about 40 MPG, but it's the playoffs, so if you're going to average high minutes, wouldn't it be the playoffs?

Again, not defending Thibs because I think he's been wildly inconsistent this year.

Here's the thing, this has happened to the Bulls and Wolves as well, that's the problem I have with people coming to Tom's rescue. It would be different if this were just a one-off thing, but these same types of freak incidents happened to both of those teams. We can just go through the threads in the Bulls / Wolves forums and you'll see the exact same type of discussions being had about it, where the bench is blamed for him playing his starters so much, or that he did/didn't cause an injury. In all his years of coaching his teams have been ranked 24th in bench minutes, he runs an 8 man rotation and his teams just fall apart, that has been a consistent thing with all his teams. We're just repeating the same discussions the Bulls and Wolves fans had before us, hopefully it ends the same way for us as it did them, with him being fired.

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[thebuzzardman]

Knicks fire Thibs yet?

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20 years of being a laughing stock then 200 wins and a contender. I'll keep going with that please.

People make it sound like we were a successful franchise until Thibs ruined everything.

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That’s where I’m at. Thibs has his flaws but Knicks basketball before him was absolutely terrible. I don’t want to go through that again. We’re terrible at finding good coaches and I don’t want to take that risk of trying to find a better coach when he’s already a damn good one. Sorry Thibs haters

Brad Stevens coaching record was 354-282.

Guess what his playoff record was.

Especially on the road.

Fam, the Celtics are always hitting on good coaches. That's the big difference. We literally never do. Our last good coach before thibs was from over 10 years ago, Mike Woodson. If we were a much better run franchise then yeah sure fire thibs and get an upgrade. But we clearly don't have that type of track record.

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That’s where I’m at. Thibs has his flaws but Knicks basketball before him was absolutely terrible. I don’t want to go through that again. We’re terrible at finding good coaches and I don’t want to take that risk of trying to find a better coach when he’s already a damn good one. Sorry Thibs haters

He's just inverse Mike _'Antoni, their records are eerily similar, Mike has a .560 winning percentage and sees a similar drop in the playoffs .491. Tom's playoff winning percentage is .447 and his career winning percentage is .579. Both of them are just versions of Mike Fratello who has a great regular season record and meh playoff record.

This is like an abusive relationship, you don't stay with someone that keys your car and tries to stab you just because you don't think you can find someone better.

That's a bit of hyperbole.

When has thibs lost a playoff series to a team he was supposed to beat?

[NoDopeOnSundays]

That’s where I’m at. Thibs has his flaws but Knicks basketball before him was absolutely terrible. I don’t want to go through that again. We’re terrible at finding good coaches and I don’t want to take that risk of trying to find a better coach when he’s already a damn good one. Sorry Thibs haters

He's just inverse Mike _'Antoni, their records are eerily similar, Mike has a .560 winning percentage and sees a similar drop in the playoffs .491. Tom's playoff winning percentage is .447 and his career winning percentage is .579. Both of them are just versions of Mike Fratello who has a great regular season record and meh playoff record.

This is like an abusive relationship, you don't stay with someone that keys your car and tries to stab you just because you don't think you can find someone better.

That's a bit of hyperbole.

When has thibs lost a playoff series to a team he was supposed to beat?

Atlanta Hawks.


We were favored by Vegas, everyone here thought we'd win in 6.

Jerry Bembry: Knicks in 6

Nick DePaula: Knicks in 6

Nick Friedell: Knicks in 6

Kirk Goldsberry: Knicks in 6

Tim Legler: Knicks in 6

Zach Lowe: Hawks in 6

Tim MacMahon: Knicks in 6

Bobby Marks: Knicks in 7

Dave McMenamin: Knicks in 6

Monica McNutt: Knicks in 6

Kevin Pelton: Knicks in 7

Omar Raja: Knicks in 7

Jorge Sedano: Knicks in 7

Ramona Shelburne: Knicks in 5

André Snellings: Hawks in 6

Marc J. Spears: Knicks in 6

Royce Young: Hawks in 7

Ohm Youngmisuk: Knicks in 7

He's gotta go my brother, we need more depth, but we also need a coach that will modernize the offense/defense and won't play starters 40+ mins against the Wiz in December.

[3toheadmelo]

He's just inverse Mike _'Antoni, their records are eerily similar, Mike has a .560 winning percentage and sees a similar drop in the playoffs .491. Tom's playoff winning percentage is .447 and his career winning percentage is .579. Both of them are just versions of Mike Fratello who has a great regular season record and meh playoff record.

This is like an abusive relationship, you don't stay with someone that keys your car and tries to stab you just because you don't think you can find someone better.

That's a bit of hyperbole.

When has thibs lost a playoff series to a team he was supposed to beat?

Atlanta Hawks.


We were favored by Vegas, everyone here thought we'd win in 6.

Jerry Bembry: Knicks in 6

Nick DePaula: Knicks in 6

Nick Friedell: Knicks in 6

Kirk Goldsberry: Knicks in 6

Tim Legler: Knicks in 6

Zach Lowe: Hawks in 6

Tim MacMahon: Knicks in 6

Bobby Marks: Knicks in 7

Dave McMenamin: Knicks in 6

Monica McNutt: Knicks in 6

Kevin Pelton: Knicks in 7

Omar Raja: Knicks in 7

Jorge Sedano: Knicks in 7

Ramona Shelburne: Knicks in 5

André Snellings: Hawks in 6

Marc J. Spears: Knicks in 6

Royce Young: Hawks in 7

Ohm Youngmisuk: Knicks in 7

He's gotta go my brother, we need more depth, but we also need a coach that will modernize the offense/defense and won't play starters 40+ mins against the Wiz in December.

What could’ve Thibs done to win that series though? That hawks had significantly more talent than us. All the hawks did was triple team Randle and it worked cause no one else could score besides an old d rose.

Derek fisher, fizdale, hornacek were all supposed to be those young coaches with modern offenses that had great reputations around the league. It never works out for us man. We don’t have that type of luck like Boston who was able to replace Brad with Ime and then found an even better replacement in Mazzula. I rather play it safe with Thibs. Hes still a top 5 coach even with his flaws.

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20 years of being a laughing stock then 200 wins and a contender. I'll keep going with that please.

People make it sound like we were a successful franchise until Thibs ruined everything.

Na people are saying the opposite really. Thibs changed the culture around completely as did Leon n his FO, but we all realize that in order to take that next step, we have to go in a different direction with the coaching. Same situation as the Warriors with Mark Jackson. We just need to find that Steve Kerr type..

Let me spin it like this instead… give Thibs a promotion… make him a VP in the FO, and go get a new coach

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20 years of being a laughing stock then 200 wins and a contender. I'll keep going with that please.

People make it sound like we were a successful franchise until Thibs ruined everything.

Na people are saying the opposite really. Thibs changed the culture around completely as did Leon n his FO, but we all realize that in order to take that next step, we have to go in a different direction with the coaching. Same situation as the Warriors with Mark Jackson. We just need to find that Steve Kerr type..

Let me spin it like this instead… give Thibs a promotion… make him a VP in the FO, and go get a new coach

If he could just adapt and adjust he would be fine. Running the starters into the ground for 82 games has never worked for anyone. He has failed at it his entire career. He has left several players in his wake who were never the same after him. Try something new you dumb fuq!

He's too damn stubborn.

[TKKnicks1]

Knicks fire Thibs yet?

They extended him for 10 more years

[NoDopeOnSundays]

That's a bit of hyperbole.

When has thibs lost a playoff series to a team he was supposed to beat?

Atlanta Hawks.


We were favored by Vegas, everyone here thought we'd win in 6.

Jerry Bembry: Knicks in 6

Nick DePaula: Knicks in 6

Nick Friedell: Knicks in 6

Kirk Goldsberry: Knicks in 6

Tim Legler: Knicks in 6

Zach Lowe: Hawks in 6

Tim MacMahon: Knicks in 6

Bobby Marks: Knicks in 7

Dave McMenamin: Knicks in 6

Monica McNutt: Knicks in 6

Kevin Pelton: Knicks in 7

Omar Raja: Knicks in 7

Jorge Sedano: Knicks in 7

Ramona Shelburne: Knicks in 5

André Snellings: Hawks in 6

Marc J. Spears: Knicks in 6

Royce Young: Hawks in 7

Ohm Youngmisuk: Knicks in 7

He's gotta go my brother, we need more depth, but we also need a coach that will modernize the offense/defense and won't play starters 40+ mins against the Wiz in December.

What could’ve Thibs done to win that series though? That hawks had significantly more talent than us. All the hawks did was triple team Randle and it worked cause no one else could score besides an old d rose.

Derek fisher, fizdale, hornacek were all supposed to be those young coaches with modern offenses that had great reputations around the league. It never works out for us man. We don’t have that type of luck like Boston who was able to replace Brad with Ime and then found an even better replacement in Mazzula. I rather play it safe with Thibs. Hes still a top 5 coach even with his flaws.

We were favored in that series, it's easy to say the Hawks are more talented now, going into that series almost everyone on this board had us winning, the media had us winning and Vegas had us winning. We went into that series with Payton still starting, the decision to bench him should have been made the second IQ showed a pulse during the season, but the rook didn't earn it. Imagine if the Mavs didn't bench Powell at some point when Lively was playing well, that is basically what Tom did, he picked vet over rookie even though the rookie was better.

They triple teamed Randle and he made absolutely no adjustments to what they were doing, he could have done other things, the point is that he didn't change anything about how we attacked them or defended them. He stuck to his guns, and we lost, even though we were the favs.


You can't be afraid to fire a coach because of what happened before him, the Bucks fired Budenholzer and he won a title, the Clippers fired Doc even though he had a great record with them, the Lakers fired Frank who won a title in 2020. We know what Thibs secret sauce is, it's playing the regular season like it's the playoffs, it's why his teams don't perform as well in the playoffs because everyone else plays their guys 40mpg and he loses his edge. He's not a top 5 coach either - Ime, Mazzulla, Spo, Daignault, Lue etc all clear him. Playing it safe is not how you end up winning, realizing a coach is holding a team back is why the Celtics have a title right now, had they played it safe they'd be winning games with Brad and losing when it matters.


It also says a lot that Thibs is 66 years old and doesn't have some wide coaching tree that everyone poaches.

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20 years of being a laughing stock then 200 wins and a contender. I'll keep going with that please.

People make it sound like we were a successful franchise until Thibs ruined everything.

Na people are saying the opposite really. Thibs changed the culture around completely as did Leon n his FO, but we all realize that in order to take that next step, we have to go in a different direction with the coaching. Same situation as the Warriors with Mark Jackson. We just need to find that Steve Kerr type..

Let me spin it like this instead… give Thibs a promotion… make him a VP in the FO, and go get a new coach

Phil tried to get Kerr himself and turned us down. He was too scared to come to the unhinged fans and bright lights. He admitted in an interview he would have been fired here.

[Capn'O]

What about Woody?

[Jalen Bluntson]

What about Woody?

What about the rosters and GMs those coaches had? Or the fact that most of them were never coached before or after their jobs here? Or the bad contracts and lack of draft picks we had for decades? Or the lunatic owner who meddled in everything until we hired Leon?

That tweet was dumb.

[HarthorneWingo]

What about Woody?

Woody Allen would be perfect! He’s a longtime Knicks fan. Check out a couple of his inspirational quotes:

[3toheadmelo]

Atlanta Hawks.


We were favored by Vegas, everyone here thought we'd win in 6.




He's gotta go my brother, we need more depth, but we also need a coach that will modernize the offense/defense and won't play starters 40+ mins against the Wiz in December.

What could’ve Thibs done to win that series though? That hawks had significantly more talent than us. All the hawks did was triple team Randle and it worked cause no one else could score besides an old d rose.

Derek fisher, fizdale, hornacek were all supposed to be those young coaches with modern offenses that had great reputations around the league. It never works out for us man. We don’t have that type of luck like Boston who was able to replace Brad with Ime and then found an even better replacement in Mazzula. I rather play it safe with Thibs. Hes still a top 5 coach even with his flaws.

We were favored in that series, it's easy to say the Hawks are more talented now, going into that series almost everyone on this board had us winning, the media had us winning and Vegas had us winning. We went into that series with Payton still starting, the decision to bench him should have been made the second IQ showed a pulse during the season, but the rook didn't earn it. Imagine if the Mavs didn't bench Powell at some point when Lively was playing well, that is basically what Tom did, he picked vet over rookie even though the rookie was better.

They triple teamed Randle and he made absolutely no adjustments to what they were doing, he could have done other things, the point is that he didn't change anything about how we attacked them or defended them. He stuck to his guns, and we lost, even though we were the favs.


You can't be afraid to fire a coach because of what happened before him, the Bucks fired Budenholzer and he won a title, the Clippers fired Doc even though he had a great record with them, the Lakers fired Frank who won a title in 2020. We know what Thibs secret sauce is, it's playing the regular season like it's the playoffs, it's why his teams don't perform as well in the playoffs because everyone else plays their guys 40mpg and he loses his edge. He's not a top 5 coach either - Ime, Mazzulla, Spo, Daignault, Lue etc all clear him. Playing it safe is not how you end up winning, realizing a coach is holding a team back is why the Celtics have a title right now, had they played it safe they'd be winning games with Brad and losing when it matters.


It also says a lot that Thibs is 66 years old and doesn't have some wide coaching tree that everyone poaches.

The bucks and lakers have been in worse shape since they fired those guys. So it’s a big risk. What Boston pulled off is rare.

Who are you suggesting to hire?

[NiceLikeChrist]

That’s where I’m at. Thibs has his flaws but Knicks basketball before him was absolutely terrible. I don’t want to go through that again. We’re terrible at finding good coaches and I don’t want to take that risk of trying to find a better coach when he’s already a damn good one. Sorry Thibs haters

He's just inverse Mike _'Antoni, their records are eerily similar, Mike has a .560 winning percentage and sees a similar drop in the playoffs .491. Tom's playoff winning percentage is .447 and his career winning percentage is .579. Both of them are just versions of Mike Fratello who has a great regular season record and meh playoff record.

This is like an abusive relationship, you don't stay with someone that keys your car and tries to stab you just because you don't think you can find someone better.

That's a bit of hyperbole.

When has thibs lost a playoff series to a team he was supposed to beat?

Should’ve easily beat Miami and Indiana and we shouldn’t have lost in 5 against the hawks. All coaching.

Don’t forget thibs stubbornly started Elfrid the first four games against the hawks when the entire world was telling him to get that bum outta there.